Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Cables, Power, Tweaks, Speakers, Accessories (DBT-Free Forum) › HD 800 - Moon Audio vs SAA vs Toxic Cables
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

HD 800 - Moon Audio vs SAA vs Toxic Cables

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 

Good evening.

 

I've just started building my system and following the high advice received from a friend in regards to the most knowledgeable place on the web in regards to the audio world - here I am!

 

I've spent the last 2 days browsing and reading the forums to get a start... but still a little bit in the out right now.

 

To keep it short. The HD800 have arrived today. For the moment they will be connected to my desktop PC, via a Asus Xonar Essence STX. I will be listening to FLACs - mixed genres (from classical, to jazz & rock) and sometimes movies (BluRay).

 

I am undecided what to choose from the following :

 

Moon Audio Silver Dragon V3 Headphone (Furutech Gold Plated 1/4")

 

Stefan AudioArt Endorphin FS

 

Toxic Cables Pure OCC Silver cable 1/4" Viablue (or Silver Poison - seems to be the same thing, but duplicated on the website).

 

Given my current situation, what would be you advice?

 

Thanks and your time is very much appreciated.

post #2 of 21

Probably not the Silver Dragon.  You might not enjoy bright cable + bright headphone.

post #3 of 21

I cannot seem to find Toxic Cables Pure OCC Silver cable 1/4" Viablue on the website for the HD800, just Silver Poison, but that is indeed how i refer to the Silver Poison also.

 

http://www.toxic-cables.co.uk                  PREPARE TO BE INTOXICATED

 

 

Reply
post #4 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by atarkovsky View Post

Good evening.

 

I've just started building my system and following the high advice received from a friend in regards to the most knowledgeable place on the web in regards to the audio world - here I am!

 

I've spent the last 2 days browsing and reading the forums to get a start... but still a little bit in the out right now.

 

To keep it short. The HD800 have arrived today. For the moment they will be connected to my desktop PC, via a Asus Xonar Essence STX. I will be listening to FLACs - mixed genres (from classical, to jazz & rock) and sometimes movies (BluRay).

 

I am undecided what to choose from the following :

 

Moon Audio Silver Dragon V3 Headphone (Furutech Gold Plated 1/4")

 

Stefan AudioArt Endorphin FS

 

Toxic Cables Pure OCC Silver cable 1/4" Viablue (or Silver Poison - seems to be the same thing, but duplicated on the website).

 

Given my current situation, what would be you advice?

 

Thanks and your time is very much appreciated.

 

CARDAS, or if you can afford it...Carda Clear. though,  I'd say a dedicated hp amp might be your best next purchase.

post #5 of 21
I can actually see both versions of the cable on the toxic website (http://toxic-cables.co.uk/): - Sennheiser HD800 8ft Pure OCC Silver cable 1/4" Viablue £180.00 (link: http://toxic-cables.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=66) and - HD800 Silver Poison 8ft £180.00 (link: http://toxic-cables.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=50) It clearly links to a different product site. However, the products seem to be identical (same price, picture and description). So I guess it's just a mistake that it's up there twice. Maybe Kabelmeister can check this again.
post #6 of 21

Thanks for the links, i will take care on this today and remove one, they are both the same cable.


Edited by Toxic Cables - 9/4/12 at 4:39am

http://www.toxic-cables.co.uk                  PREPARE TO BE INTOXICATED

 

 

Reply
post #7 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabelmeister View Post

Thanks for the links, i will take care on this today and remove one, they are both the same cable.

Thanks, seems to be fixed now. I had just found out about this double product entry by accident a few days ago myself because I might be ending up bying one of these for my HD800 headphones.

 

I really like these headphones except for them sounding a little bit too bright (a lot of recordings can sound a little bit too harsh and quite fatigueing in treble) and the bass, although being actually quite nice in detail and precision, mostly feels a bit lacking in the amount to me (can be taken care of by equalizing, but I'm not too fond of equalizing things and has to be done right otherwise other recordings end up sounding terrible). From all I've read about these they should be a good match here in covering those 2 issues quite well and adding some additional detail and instrument separation as well cause they use high quality silver. Choosing the right quality recordings will always remain a huge issue with the HD800 anyways, no audio cable in the world can really fix this I guess. 

post #8 of 21

I've been using the Moon Audio Blue Dragon cables terminated to 4 pin XLR since 18 months and am extremely happy with them.

IME, the HD800s need at least 200 hrs for the treble to settle down.   

Cant comment on the other two cables because I have no experience with either.

post #9 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAHZADA123 View Post

IME, the HD800s need at least 200 hrs for the treble to settle down.   

I've bought the HD800 right when they came out and have been using them for several hours each day so far (sometimes even up to 8 or 10 hours a day). Burn In didn't help really for the treble issues I'm having tbh. If the recordings are of high quality there are no issues at all. However, there are many recordings with minor flaws (I'm not talking about mp3s etc here, I only listen to lossless music and preferably with higher resolution/sampling rate) and the headphones reveals those too damn quickly (not only in treble). They are just really picky about the quality of the recording as well as the quality of the music file itself. 

 

As for treble, I personally find them a little bit too harsh and fatigueing with tracks that are not quite that if I listen to them on my speaker setup or other headphones. Maybe the headphone amp that I'm using is not the right match for it (most people seem to prefer tubes over solid state here which I don't have) as well as cables can make the difference from what I've been reading on the forums. Apart from the issues I mentioned in the post above these headphones are just so amazing that once I've found the solution I'll be most likely in audiophile heaven. smile_phones.gif

 

I definitely want to go for silver or silver/gold cables as they should provide more detail than copper cables.

post #10 of 21

Until I got the Balancing Act, the Woo WA22 was my favorite amp for HD800s.

 

As for cables, since you're already finding the treble harsh, I would not recommend a silver cable.

post #11 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAHZADA123 View Post

Until I got the Balancing Act, the Woo WA22 was my favorite amp for HD800s.

 

As for cables, since you're already finding the treble harsh, I would not recommend a silver cable.


Thanks for your input. I didn't decide yet which route I'll go, but I'll take that into account. It's just so damn hard to decide. smile.gif

post #12 of 21
Another cable to consider is the Zeus from AphroditeCu29. I have two of them. One is the 24AWG UPOCC copper on my T1. The other is a 22AWG UPOCC copper on my HE6.
post #13 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Audio Addict View Post

Another cable to consider is the Zeus from AphroditeCu29. I have two of them. One is the 24AWG UPOCC copper on my T1. The other is a 22AWG UPOCC copper on my HE6.

These seem to be really nice cables, the prices are quite high already. In this price range you can also already get DHC complements or mundorf zendo cables etc. It's really a tough call to decide on these products since you can't just try them out. So it comes down to reading all the reviews/impressions and going for the product that suits your personal liking most. At a certain price range I expect every product from a serious company to sound good. The question is always if it only sounds good or if it's blowing you away, how the price-performance ratio looks like and, something which is most likely the most important thing, which product suits your personal needs (music styles, setup, personal likes) most. 

 

Thanks for your input though, I haven't really considered them yet at all. One more product to check out. smile.gif

post #14 of 21

Too bad there isn't a comparison between all the cables mentioned in this thread.

post #15 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max View Post

Too bad there isn't a comparison between all the cables mentioned in this thread.

That's so true. From all the different audio gear you can buy on the market I find it most difficult to find decent comparisions between audio cables. The only thing I usually happen to see are reviews of them, but hardly ever well presented side-by-side comparisions like there are for for amps etc.

 

So I personally look mostly at the used materials, the finish, warranty and price together with the usually known stuff of how copper/silver etc sound different and are most likely going to match my personal needs. 

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Cables, Power, Tweaks, Speakers, Accessories (DBT-Free Forum) › HD 800 - Moon Audio vs SAA vs Toxic Cables