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4.Ai & FitEar TO GO! 334

 

The 4.Ai is actually a lot smaller than the 334; it's hard to tell in this photograph.

 

The other day, I met up with a friend of mine with the TG334. He had been curious about the 4.Ai, and thus we decided to meet and trade notes.

 

A larger quantity of bass emanates from the TO GO! 334 compared to the 4.Ai. It is very apparent from the get-go, and is probably the first thing anyone will notice when switching to and from one another. Tips and insertion depth, however, change the character of the bass greatly in the 334, whereas the bass character of the 4.Ai doesn’t change too much in my estimation. On the other hand, the midrange and treble of the 4.Ai is susceptible to change with the tips used and the insertion depth, whereas the 334 doesn't seem to change too much. I suspect this may have something to do with the titanium sound tube used in the 334, but that's just a guess. To top it off, the TO GO! 334 imparts a blacker background, regardless of tips used. It is this stolid presence that really sets it apart from the crowd. I mostly tested the 334 with an O2 amplifier, so I couldn’t really hear hiss.

 

Out of all the earphones that I’ve ever tried (and I’ve tried a LOT), there is nothing that beats the midrange of the FitEar TO GO! 334. Both accurate and involving, the midrange extends deep from front to back and top to bottom. Voices have just the right weight; never too thick and never too thin. When Head-Fi’s own Jude heaped endless praise about about the midrange of the 334 (albeit this is the full-custom version, the MH334), he wasn’t kidding. Rebecca Pidgeon’s rendition of Spanish Harlem, a longtime audiophile test track favorite, simply performed flawlessly. Rebecca’s hauntingly beautiful voice filled my entire headspace never feeling too large or too small. This is where the 4.Ai loses out.

 

At this point, you might just think I’m a sucker for the expensive. Yet, as amazing as the midrange of the 334 is, I was never disappointed with the 4.Ai. It actually does very well for itself, but falls short of the completeness of the TO GO! earphone. There is a tad more treble presence and extension to the 4.Ai, lending it more of a sense of boundlessness to the soundstage as compared to the 334. However, the 4.Ai just isn’t as convincing when it comes to giving shape to instruments and voices, and that facet of sound is very important in my book. Actually, my fully-custom 4.A comes closer, giving vocals better volume and definition (yeah, I know I make it sound like a Pantene Pro-V commercial, but it’s the easiest way to describe things).

 

The few times that the TO GO! 334 runs into problems happen on tracks that play fast and loose with their bass levels. It is then that the gorgeous midrange gets a little lost within the loping bass of that massive CI driver. For example, on Stacey Kent’s La Vénus du Mélo, the 334 can at times (not often) sound like a slow, lumbering mess (take this extreme characterization with a grain of salt --- I have really high standards for bass speed), whereas the 4.Ai keeps its composure throughout. I think it’d be interesting to see a square wave response comparison between the 4.Ai and the 334, but it won’t happen anytime soon and is a discussion for another time and place.

 

There’s little question about the overall superiority of the TO GO! 334 over the 4.Ai; it’s more precise with its soundstage, reaches deeper (though not higher), and boasts tighter tolerances in build quality. However, most people will balk at having to pay over three times the price to gain a small fraction of performance superiority. It is here where the 4.Ai will gain peoples’ respect. It comes fairly close to the soundstage precision of the TO GO! 334 for a lot less coin.

 

Is the 4.Ai a true top-tier, end-game IEM? No. It wasn’t designed to be. However, it does come respectably close, and at a very reasonable price.

post #92 of 216

Loved that. Up until saturday some of the understanding of accuracy of the mids and instruments as well as soundstage may have made me think really better than the 4.Ai but after hearing some of the best headphones in the world i understand exactly what you mean and this has helped a lot of understand as far as how the 334 sounds in comparison so for that i thank you.

 

As for the last quote you mention the true top tier headphones and from what i have heard i for that say i would put the Heir, PFE 232 and Sony EX1000 in that category. Obviously i have not heard all you have with the 334 of course, K3003 (yet) and FI-BA-SS so i am curious to what your list of true top tiers is?

post #93 of 216

still waiting for 4.Ai vs Fitear F111 comparision :D , i own the 4.Ai and fitear 334 too and i agree with tomscy2000 :D


Edited by Rakan - 9/17/12 at 7:01am
post #94 of 216
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Originally Posted by Rakan View Post

still waiting for 4.Ai vs Fitear F111 comparision :D , i own the 4.Ai and fitear 334 too and i agree with tomscy2000 :D

 

Do you have a 111?

post #95 of 216
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Do you have a 111?

no , that's why i waitng for the 4.Ai vs F111 comparision because i'm going to get a pair F111 soon :D

post #96 of 216
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no , that's why i waitng for the 4.Ai vs F111 comparision because i'm going to get a pair F111 soon :D

if your getting a 111 soon then maybe you can give us a comparison down the road. That would be awesome!

post #97 of 216
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Originally Posted by Swimsonny View Post

Loved that. Up until saturday some of the understanding of accuracy of the mids and instruments as well as soundstage may have made me think really better than the 4.Ai but after hearing some of the best headphones in the world i understand exactly what you mean and this has helped a lot of understand as far as how the 334 sounds in comparison so for that i thank you.

 

As for the last quote you mention the true top tier headphones and from what i have heard i for that say i would put the Heir, PFE 232 and Sony EX1000 in that category. Obviously i have not heard all you have with the 334 of course, K3003 (yet) and FI-BA-SS so i am curious to what your list of true top tiers is?

 

Well, what I really meant was whether it was an 'endgame' earphone. I think the 4.Ai is extremely versatile, and few earphones should be able to top it. I've only listened to the K3003 once; it did not impress me to the point of my lusting after it. I praise it only for its ability to bring high-end sound and premium build quality together. The FI-BA-SS, on the other hand, is a very personal choice. It has a character that basically no other earphone possesses, and that's why I love it. It's not intended for every person, and will surely offend someone who thinks it should ideally complete their audio world. It won't. I think the 334 comes close to pleasing just about every man, but personally I prefer the bass on the 4.A.

 

As for why I ended with that statement, I would say that I think the 4.Ai is a small step behind the ideal fit and isolation of the 4.A; it varies quite a bit with insertion depth and different tips, whereas the 334 doesn't vary as much. The 334 was basically designed to fit at that shallow depth and to fit with silicone tips, and special measures were taken to ensure that compensations were made for that purpose. That's where the 4.Ai falls short. Something like the K3003 even has a tiny pressure outlet to relieve ear pressure in the canal, and was intended to fit on a shallower measuring plane so that the large diameter housing would fit comfortably in the ear. I think these touches like these, while hinted at in the 4.Ai's shape, is not fully realized. That's not to say the 4.Ai isn't a great product; it is, and will continue to be a great product.

 

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Originally Posted by Rakan View Post

still waiting for 4.Ai vs Fitear F111 comparision :D , i own the 4.Ai and fitear 334 too and i agree with tomscy2000 :D

 

PM'ed you with a short preview.

post #98 of 216
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I never saw it as a bad thing for the 4.Ai, if anything a awesome thing that you was saying it was worthy of a comparison with a endgame IEM in your eyes.

post #99 of 216
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The 4.Ai is actually a lot smaller than the 334; it's hard to tell in this photograph.

 

I concur. I've hold both and the 4.Ai is a good deal smaller than the TG!334. Dear Head-Fiers, this picture is lying to you!

post #100 of 216

Would you attribute the 4.A's more precise custom fit to this difference vs. the 4.Ai (you refer to how positioning affects the 4.Ai's sound)?  I have the 4.A currently on order (don't expect to get them until mid-next month) and am pretty anxious.

 

 

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...Actually, my fully-custom 4.A comes closer, giving vocals better volume and definition (yeah, I know I make it sound like a Pantene Pro-V commercial, but it’s the easiest way to describe things).

 

post #101 of 216
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Originally Posted by JayMitch View Post  Would you attribute the 4.A's more precise custom fit to this difference vs. the 4.Ai (you refer to how positioning affects the 4.Ai's sound)?  I have the 4.A currently on order (don't expect to get them until mid-next month) and am pretty anxious.

 

Well, there aren't any circuit changes, so yes, that is the key difference --- the fit. Silicone might create a better seal than acrylic, but in the form of a silicone tip, it doesn't isolate very uniformly, the way I feel acrylic does. With a custom body, it's easier to hear the extension on both sides, with more body to the sound, and better dimension. The sound is way less variable; the 4.Ai can at times sound thin and dimensionless (flat without depth to soundstage), and that is due to both changes from the silicone tips and a shallower insertion point.

post #102 of 216

3.Ai and 4.Ai

 

Disclaimer: I am very biased against the 3.Ai --- I am a listener that values accuracy over fun factor. It’s not that I don’t use colored headphones; I do, and there are many that I quite enjoy, but for an earphone that I need to use everyday, I never stray far from a neutral stance. Therefore, these are the only set of impressions that I’ll post on the 3.Ai, for the simple reason that I just don’t get along with the sound signature of the 3.Ai. It might be dubbed as having more of a ‘fun’ response compared to the 4.Ai, but I guess I’m just too dull a person to enjoy it. I enjoy accuracy and all of the subtleties that come with it when playing back music, and if I try to do an in-depth, critical analysis of the 3.Ai, I’ll end up stating much more of what its shortcomings are than what I find enjoyable.

 

Vocals are warmer than the 4.Ai, but sibilance detection seems a little more prominent. It is here that the 3.Ai surprised me; I had expected the 3.Ai to be smoother in the highs, but instead it seemed peakier; for that reason, sibilance stood out more.

 

To me, the 3.Ai seems to have a more constrained sound space; though the bass is strong and full in body, it’s not particularly spacious. The 4.Ai presents a more complete picture of the musical landscape; even in the bass, where the 3.Ai can reach lower, I prefer the 4.Ai’s more even-handed approach over the impact-focused 3.Ai.

 

No matter what, if I used my standard test music, I thought the 4.A/4.Ai sounded better, so I thought I’d try some more mainstream music to see if the 3.Ai had more of an enjoyment factor. No such luck there.

 

I’m not going to bother talking about detail levels because the 3.Ai can’t stay in my ears for longer than 10 minutes at a time; they are just not agreeable to my ears.

 

Er... I think I’m just going to let someone else talk about the 3.Ai.

post #103 of 216

So awesome that ljokerl will be getting his ears on these sooner rather than later!

post #104 of 216
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

3.Ai and 4.Ai

 

Disclaimer: I am very biased against the 3.Ai --- I am a listener that values accuracy over fun factor. It’s not that I don’t use colored headphones; I do, and there are many that I quite enjoy, but for an earphone that I need to use everyday, I never stray far from a neutral stance. Therefore, these are the only set of impressions that I’ll post on the 3.Ai, for the simple reason that I just don’t get along with the sound signature of the 3.Ai. It might be dubbed as having more of a ‘fun’ response compared to the 4.Ai, but I guess I’m just too dull a person to enjoy it. I enjoy accuracy and all of the subtleties that come with it when playing back music, and if I try to do an in-depth, critical analysis of the 3.Ai, I’ll end up stating much more of what its shortcomings are than what I find enjoyable.

 

Vocals are warmer than the 4.Ai, but sibilance detection seems a little more prominent. It is here that the 3.Ai surprised me; I had expected the 3.Ai to be smoother in the highs, but instead it seemed peakier; for that reason, sibilance stood out more.

 

To me, the 3.Ai seems to have a more constrained sound space; though the bass is strong and full in body, it’s not particularly spacious. The 4.Ai presents a more complete picture of the musical landscape; even in the bass, where the 3.Ai can reach lower, I prefer the 4.Ai’s more even-handed approach over the impact-focused 3.Ai.

 

No matter what, if I used my standard test music, I thought the 4.A/4.Ai sounded better, so I thought I’d try some more mainstream music to see if the 3.Ai had more of an enjoyment factor. No such luck there.

 

I’m not going to bother talking about detail levels because the 3.Ai can’t stay in my ears for longer than 10 minutes at a time; they are just not agreeable to my ears.

 

Er... I think I’m just going to let someone else talk about the 3.Ai.

OK, seriously, I don't mean to be rude at all, but when will you be shipping those off to the next person then?  I think I'm more interested in learning about the 3.ai's than the 4.ai's (although I've been known to change my mind).  Anyway, I completely respect your point and actually applaud it.  You could torture yourself and write up a negative review, or write them of as not your cup of tea and move on.  Well played. 

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Originally Posted by ethanw View Post  OK, seriously, I don't mean to be rude at all, but when will you be shipping those off to the next person then?

 

The next person has already written his impressions. I changed hands with him last Monday. I've just not finished writing the full set of my own comparisons because of lack of time, which is why my impressions are fragmented. The package will be going off to the third person on the list, soon.


Edited by tomscy2000 - 9/24/12 at 9:29pm
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