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post #361 of 460

I don't want to sound contrarian or like I'm playing devil's advocate,  but what i am not getting is, how are these going to compete vs the Beats line?

 

1. Most of the people that are buying Beats are sold for the "bass thing", so if the Momentum are not bass heavy how its going to compete with the Beats?   The "yea, but the sound better" argument is ok, but there are a lot of headphones at this price range, and even cheaper ones, that sound better, the Beats Crowd dont care about them. they want the "bass and looks" thing.

 

2. Asthestics,  the Momentum is more "refined" more "upsacle" i am not seing a bunch of school kids with these phones in school. IMHO the Beats gots that "cool" factor.

 

 

Dont get me wrong, i have a Beat Pro and it s&cks,  and  there is no doubt in my mind that the Momentum is a better headphone in every aspect over the Beats,  but it looks way to "refined", not something you will trow to your back pack and use at school if you are a kid (and i am not a kid).

 

The new Sony XB series ir more in the line of competing against the Beats.


Edited by rickdohc - 9/19/12 at 9:15am
post #362 of 460
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Originally Posted by rickdohc View Post

I don't want to sound contrarian or like I'm playing devil's advocate,  but what i am not getting is, how are these going to compete vs the Beats line?

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I don't think Momentum is directly trying to win over Beats' customers. It's unlike the Android clones of iPhones. 

Ignoring how they sound, Beats like what you say have their own 'cool' crowd. What Sennheiser is trying to do is to target the more refined, classy sophisticated portable crowd. Something like the B&W P5 customers. 

post #363 of 460
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I don't think Momentum is directly trying to win over Beats' customers. It's unlike the Android clones of iPhones. 

Ignoring how they sound, Beats like what you say have their own 'cool' crowd. What Sennheiser is trying to do is to target the more refined, classy sophisticated portable crowd. Something like the B&W P5 customers. 

 

yea, thats the target me thinks,  my comment is based on the Jude`s review ( Epic Review) where theres some reference to the Beats.

post #364 of 460

I'm still betting that this headphone measures relatively bassheavy with maybe ~8dB (peak) boost in the bass but the bass quality is so good it doesn't sound overly bassy. Hope to see some FR graphs soon. :)

 

For comparision there's a FR measurement of Sony MDR-1R and people described it already as pretty neutral sounding despite a ~7dB or so peak bass boost, I'm betting we're gonna see similar things with Momentum.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 9/19/12 at 10:35am
post #365 of 460
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Originally Posted by eron View Post

I don't think Momentum is directly trying to win over Beats' customers. It's unlike the Android clones of iPhones. 

Ignoring how they sound, Beats like what you say have their own 'cool' crowd. What Sennheiser is trying to do is to target the more refined, classy sophisticated portable crowd. Something like the B&W P5 customers. 

Given the size of the Momentum they can not compete with Beats...have you ever seen the size of an NBA player?tongue_smile.gif

 

I'm lucky in that I did a blind/deaf buy and they fit me perfectly (totally encompassing my ear) and gave me the bass accentuated but not overly aggressive sound I was looking for.

 

I still prefer CIEMs for portability.  These will stay in the office.

post #366 of 460
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Originally Posted by rickdohc View Post

I don't want to sound contrarian or like I'm playing devil's advocate,  but what i am not getting is, how are these going to compete vs the Beats line?

 

1. Most of the people that are buying Beats are sold for the "bass thing", so if the Momentum are not bass heavy how its going to compete with the Beats?   The "yea, but the sound better" argument is ok, but there are a lot of headphones at this price range, and even cheaper ones, that sound better, the Beats Crowd dont care about them. they want the "bass and looks" thing.

 

2. Asthestics,  the Momentum is more "refined" more "upsacle" i am not seing a bunch of school kids with these phones in school. IMHO the Beats gots that "cool" factor.

 

 

Dont get me wrong, i have a Beat Pro and it s&cks,  and  there is no doubt in my mind that the Momentum is a better headphone in every aspect over the Beats,  but it looks way to "refined", not something you will trow to your back pack and use at school if you are a kid (and i am not a kid).

 

The new Sony XB series ir more in the line of competing against the Beats.

 

I think the reference in Jude's post is in regards to Sennheiser paying more attention to the look and feel of the headphone, as well as punching up the low end a small amount. Also, if you are worried about how they will compare to "Beats", you are probably not the target customer...
post #367 of 460
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

I'm still betting that this headphone measures relatively bassheavy with maybe ~8dB (peak) boost in the bass but the bass quality is so good it doesn't sound overly bassy. Hope to see some FR graphs soon. :)

 

For comparision there's a FR measurement of Sony MDR-1R and people described it already as pretty neutral sounding despite a ~7dB or so peak bass boost, I'm betting we're gonna see similar things with Momentum.

 

I really like the FR of the MDR-1R. I'd assume a bigger bass bump for the Momentum based on the current feedback here. This is all conjecture on my part of course.

post #368 of 460

Wow! Momentum arrived early. Like everyone else said, they are smaller than they thought and ridiculously comfortable. I don't see how these are any less reference than the M80 (which Jude in his review said he considered is a reference portable); personally, I don't consider the M80 reference, but that's just me. Anyways, these are really enjoyable headphones. The only thing I don't like about them, so far, is that I find myself turning them up a little too loud to get the mids that I like. Its not that the mids are recessed. On tracks light on bass, the mids are very present...and nice, too. These are enjoyable mids. What I think they're lacking in overall is detail; I'm tempted to push them a little more than comfortable because I like detail, something in general iems give a lot of. Personally, for portable I'm more of an iem guy. Yet, these are addicting in that they are really easy to listen. Lots of fun! You just want to keep them on...


Edited by imackler - 9/19/12 at 10:23pm
post #369 of 460

I totally agree that the Sennheiser is not targeting Beats with the Momentum, but are squarely set on the B&W audience.  

 

-- imackler, mine don't arrive until Friday, so I have to live vicariously through you.  What are you breaking them in with?  Very exciting stuff, indeed.

post #370 of 460
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Wow! Momentum arrived early. Like everyone else said, they are smaller than they thought and ridiculously comfortable. Personally, I don't see how these are any less reference the M80, which personally I don't consider very reference, but that's just me. The highs are rolled off and the bass is very present on songs that have it but the mids still stay present, though more overpowered than I thought they would be. Really enjoyable headphones from first impression. 

Congrats! Glad you like the sound.

I own the M80s. I use them for movies and ocassionally music, but I will boldly say there is nothing approaching reference about them. In fact, the Momentums would have to be significantly better than the M80s. Otherwise, there price is unjustified. IMHO
Edited by robm321 - 9/19/12 at 6:20pm
post #371 of 460

If the Sennheisers are marketed correctly they would compete (and in my opinion blow away) the Bose QC15.  Both headsets are priced similarly and have the mic'd cord.  If your ear fits within the Momentums cup they are as good if not better at isolation.

post #372 of 460

I also received my pair today.

First impressions are decent, certainly a lot less bassy than I was expecting from some of the discussion. Doesn't bleed into the mids much, and on they subject of midrange, they are quite clear, better than I thought they would be. Highs are a bit rolled off. Essentially, they follow the Sennheiser house sound relatively closely.

Regarding comfort, they are great for my ears. Quite lightweight and the leather is very supple. Their size is smaller than I was expecting, but they are still comfortably circumaural for me (I wouldn't say tight tight fit, but they don't leave a lot of space). I can definitely see this being an issue for people with large ears.

 

 

Still, as a quick comparison with the Sony MDR-Z1000 (which I believe some people have been asking for), the MOMENTUM frequency reproduction is very slightly bassier and has a noticeably weaker upper end. The biggest thing I've noticed so far though, is that the Z1000s are miles ahead in resolving power. Comparatively, the MOMENTUMs sound blurred and sluggish, though maybe this is partially expected as the Sennheisers are clearly being marketed as a style headphone with good sound coming along for the ride.

 

On the plus side, the MOMENTUMs are much more portable, due their smaller size, lighter weight, and slimmer profile on one's head. Good for a portable setup, but for a more trans/semi portable setup I can't help but feel there must be better options. 

Maybe it's just my ears, maybe it's just something about today, or maybe the Z1000s just tickle me in all the right spots, but as I listen to the Sennheisers right now I just have this strong feeling deep in my soul to reach over and grab my Sonys or even my HD580s!

 

 

I know I sound real critical here, but they're not actually horrible. If style and portability are important, these are probably worth a look; they're absolutely gorgeous and supremely comfortable.

I'll hold off on a final declaration of what I think of the Sennheiser MOMENTUM for now. I'll give them a bit more head time first, but at this point I think my pair will have their own For Sale thread before long. 

 

 

For reference, about 90% of my listening so far has been through my Opus DAC and CKKIII amp, foobar WASAPI output, 320kbps and FLAC files. 


Edited by earthpeople - 9/19/12 at 9:33pm
post #373 of 460
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I also received my pair today. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
First impressions are decent, certainly a lot less bassy than I was expecting from some of the discussion. Doesn't bleed into the mids much, and on they subject of midrange, they are quite clear, better than I thought they would be. Highs are a bit rolled off. Essentially, they follow the Sennheiser house sound relatively closely.
Regarding comfort, they are great for my ears. Quite lightweight and the leather is very supple. Their size is smaller than I was expecting, but they are still comfortably circumaural for me (I wouldn't say tight tight fit, but they don't leave a lot of space). I can definitely see this being an issue for people with large ears.


Still, as a quick comparison with the Sony MDR-Z1000 (which I believe some people have been asking for), the MOMENTUM frequency reproduction is very slightly bassier and has a noticeably weaker upper end. The biggest thing I've noticed so far though, is that the Z1000s are miles ahead in resolving power.

Comparatively, the MOMENTUMs sound blurred and sluggish, though maybe this is partially expected as the Sennheisers are clearly being marketed as a style headphone with good sound coming along for the ride.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
On the plus side, the MOMENTUMs are much more portable, due their smaller size, lighter weight, and slimmer profile on one's head. Good for a portable setup, but for a more trans/semi portable setup I can't help but feel there must be better options.
Maybe it's just my ears, maybe it's just something about today, or maybe the Z1000s just tickle me in all the right spots, but as I listen to the Sennheisers right now I just have this strong feeling deep in my soul to reach over and grab my Sonys or even my HD580s!


I know I sound real critical here, but they're not actually horrible. If style and portability are important, these are probably worth a look; they're absolutely gorgeous and supremely comfortable.
I'll hold off on a final declaration of what I think of the Sennheiser MOMENTUM for now. I'll give them a bit more head time first, but at this point I think my pair will have their own For Sale thread before long.


For reference, about 90% of my listening so far has been through my Opus DAC and CKKIII amp, foobar WASAPI output, 320kbps and FLAC files.

What kind of music genres do you listen to?

And this is off-topic, but what does the "speed" of a headphone mean? (ie. they sound fast or slow)
Edited by miceblue - 9/19/12 at 11:14pm
post #374 of 460
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Originally Posted by earthpeople View Post

I also received my pair today.

First impressions are decent, certainly a lot less bassy than I was expecting from some of the discussion. Doesn't bleed into the mids much, and on they subject of midrange, they are quite clear, better than I thought they would be. Highs are a bit rolled off. Essentially, they follow the Sennheiser house sound relatively closely.

Regarding comfort, they are great for my ears. Quite lightweight and the leather is very supple. Their size is smaller than I was expecting, but they are still comfortably circumaural for me (I wouldn't say tight tight fit, but they don't leave a lot of space). I can definitely see this being an issue for people with large ears.

 

 

Still, as a quick comparison with the Sony MDR-Z1000 (which I believe some people have been asking for), the MOMENTUM frequency reproduction is very slightly bassier and has a noticeably weaker upper end. The biggest thing I've noticed so far though, is that the Z1000s are miles ahead in resolving power. Comparatively, the MOMENTUMs sound blurred and sluggish, though maybe this is partially expected as the Sennheisers are clearly being marketed as a style headphone with good sound coming along for the ride.

 

On the plus side, the MOMENTUMs are much more portable, due their smaller size, lighter weight, and slimmer profile on one's head. Good for a portable setup, but for a more trans/semi portable setup I can't help but feel there must be better options. 

Maybe it's just my ears, maybe it's just something about today, or maybe the Z1000s just tickle me in all the right spots, but as I listen to the Sennheisers right now I just have this strong feeling deep in my soul to reach over and grab my Sonys or even my HD580s!

 

 

I know I sound real critical here, but they're not actually horrible. If style and portability are important, these are probably worth a look; they're absolutely gorgeous and supremely comfortable.

I'll hold off on a final declaration of what I think of the Sennheiser MOMENTUM for now. I'll give them a bit more head time first, but at this point I think my pair will have their own For Sale thread before long. 

 

 

For reference, about 90% of my listening so far has been through my Opus DAC and CKKIII amp, foobar WASAPI output, 320kbps and FLAC files. 


Please post your review in the Momentum review thread.  Good stuff.  I haven't heard the Z1000s so I can't comment.  I disagree that the momentums sound blurred and sluggish but I might be dismissing/interpreting that for aggressive and warm.  I'll be the first to admit that I have trouble articulating what I hear and I really haven't had the time to listen/ compare with my classical and jazz collection where that might be more noticeable.

post #375 of 460
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I think the reference in Jude's post is in regards to Sennheiser paying more attention to the look and feel of the headphone, as well as punching up the low end a small amount. Also, if you are worried about how they will compare to "Beats", you are probably not the target customer...

 


Sorry, i dont care for Beats  beyersmile.png

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