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post #106 of 460
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Originally Posted by davidhunternyc View Post

From the looks of it, the Sennheiser Momentum is a step is the right direction; rich materials, elegance, simplicity, and great build quality. Three years ago, I critiqued the Sennheiser HD800 and many people took my heartfelt criticism as bashing Sennheiser (thread, below). Not so. I truly care about design and quality. Apple would never have gotten to the point it is now if Jonathan Ive wasn't obsessive about design. Just as Apple has branched out from computer hardware and has taken on the world, I believe that Sennheiser can use its platform as the world's premium headphone manufacturer and branch off into unkown and unconquered territory. All it takes is focus. Kudos to Sennheiser.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/399951/sennheiser-hd800-spray-painted-plastic-and-the-new-acid-washed-jeans

The earcups are still plastic
post #107 of 460
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Originally Posted by davidhunternyc View Post

From the looks of it, the Sennheiser Momentum is a step is the right direction; rich materials, elegance, simplicity, and great build quality. Three years ago, I critiqued the Sennheiser HD800 and many people took my heartfelt criticism as bashing Sennheiser (thread, below). Not so. I truly care about design and quality. Apple would never have gotten to the point it is now if Jonathan Ive wasn't obsessive about design. Just as Apple has branched out from computer hardware and has taken on the world, I believe that Sennheiser can use its platform as the world's premium headphone manufacturer and branch off into unkown and unconquered territory. All it takes is focus. Kudos to Sennheiser.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/399951/sennheiser-hd800-spray-painted-plastic-and-the-new-acid-washed-jeans

The earcups are still plastic
post #108 of 460
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Originally Posted by discretesound View Post


The earcups are still plastic

Ahh,  : (

post #109 of 460
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Originally Posted by discretesound View Post


The earcups are still plastic

 

Out of curiosity, where has this been verified? (not that I'm doubting it...)

post #110 of 460
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Originally Posted by Curly21029 View Post

 

Out of curiosity, where has this been verified? (not that I'm doubting it...)

 

discretesound, though it looks like anodized aluminum, my understanding is that the outside of the earcup is made of a premium plastic reinforced with glass fiber.

post #111 of 460

Where are the first impressions?

 

 

I REALLY hope these hit the US market this month, I haven't seen anything mentioning the American release in particular. I will gladly sell my current portable cans for a set of these if they sound good and isolate well.

 

 

PLEASE sound good.
 

post #112 of 460
I can't wait to hear first impressions on these. I love my PSB but something with a less obtrusive look and great sound might work better for the office.
post #113 of 460
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Originally Posted by PolkManiac View Post

I can't wait to hear first impressions on these. I love my PSB but something with a less obtrusive look and great sound might work better for the office.


Since Momentum is using the HD25 driver and based on my experience A/B'ing Amperior and M4U2, I don't expect Momentum to sound as good as the M4U2.  I just don't believe the drivers are capable enough, regardless of the housing.

post #114 of 460

Wow, this looks really really classy. Hope it sounds good too. 

post #115 of 460
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Originally Posted by Curly21029 View Post

 

Out of curiosity, where has this been verified? (not that I'm doubting it...)

I have seen and physically handled this headphone.  They are plastic.  Or "premium glass-reinforced plastic", if you will...

post #116 of 460

I like the new amperior, Imo atleast on par with the dt1350. Just different sounding.

If the momentum is atleast on par with the hd25, ill be quite pleasured. Should accept the fact that you will pay more for the design and materials than the sq.

post #117 of 460

I simply hate plastic, on the long run it just gets destroyed and cracks. I am sick of these people, truly sick of them and their way to deal with people. They obviously know that if they build something with durable and solid materials (I know many materials lighter and stronger than plastic), their product is going to be around for half a century, which goes against their business obviously. So far it would be ok but for God sake they sell thousand of these headphones for three and four digits £ $!!!! They should use space-grade materials, instead brands like sennheiser apparently uses for this new model the same driver of the hd25 (totally in super cheap plastic) and then even the earcups, everything for just €250 or equivalent in $. I am not saying that sennheiser doesn't build wonderful sounding headphones but my point is that when they can make something cheap then they do it immediately, they know that we crazy people will buy it instead of laughing at them and their cheap materials. So they do it. Personally I'll stop to buy any headphones that doesn't have decent materials and technology at a fair price, I won't care how they sound.

Headphones like the HD800 or Denon D7000 are just ridicoulous for the materials they use in proportion with their stellar price, especially the D7000, it simply makes me laugh for how filmsy they are. Not talking about the ultra expensive edition 8 or 10 or whatever, super cheap plastic coated with palladium, honestly it just doesn't make sense, the only thing I can think of is that it is all a marketing ********, then after a while they don't even bother to ********ting us anymore, now they sell the plastic headphones signature pro for that ridicolous price, it is totally unacceptable, especially the little piece of "real glass" WOW real glass that they put on it... what the f..k for £800 you have to build a space-grade titanium headphones!!!.

I appreciate brands like Audeze for their quality material and manufacturing, they even look at leather free materials (plastic in this case does make sense) and the use of the fantastic bamboo, bravo Audeze, although they are starting also to follow the same marketing logic selling the LCD 3  for +$1000 the price of the LCD 2!! I hope they don't start to make the housing of the drivers in plastic for the next model or increasing another $1000.

Sorry probably I have been a bit harsh but as customer and music quality lover I am really frustrated with all this, it is getting worse and worse every day. I have nothing against plastic, but it is what it is, so please sennheiser don't sell the HD25 at more than £150, they should cost at most £50, or don't sell the MOMENTUM wow!!! at £250 and then put plastic cups and even worse, plastic joints for the earcups, and please upgrade your plastic transducers of the middle range series.

 

I am sure that there are a lot of people that don't agree with me, but I am also sure there are plenty of folks that have my same thoughts, for the latters please don't allow these people to fool you, buy good quality product and obviously good sounding for a fair price.

 

Where is the old Sony that built the wonderful R10!!! 

post #118 of 460

^Agreed.

 

I don't want to live in the monetary system anymore.

post #119 of 460
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Originally Posted by impermanente View Post

I simply hate plastic, on the long run it just gets destroyed and cracks. I am sick of these people, truly sick of them and their way to deal with people. They obviously know that if they build something with durable and solid materials (I know many materials lighter and stronger than plastic), their product is going to be around for half a century, which goes against their business obviously. So far it would be ok but for God sake they sell thousand of these headphones for three and four digits £ $!!!! They should use space-grade materials, instead brands like sennheiser apparently uses for this new model the same driver of the hd25 (totally in super cheap plastic) and then even the earcups, everything for just €250 or equivalent in $. I am not saying that sennheiser doesn't build wonderful sounding headphones but my point is that when they can make something cheap then they do it immediately, they know that we crazy people will buy it instead of laughing at them and their cheap materials. So they do it. Personally I'll stop to buy any headphones that doesn't have decent materials and technology at a fair price, I won't care how they sound.

Headphones like the HD800 or Denon D7000 are just ridicoulous for the materials they use in proportion with their stellar price, especially the D7000, it simply makes me laugh for how filmsy they are. Not talking about the ultra expensive edition 8 or 10 or whatever, super cheap plastic coated with palladium, honestly it just doesn't make sense, the only thing I can think of is that it is all a marketing ********, then after a while they don't even bother to ********ting us anymore, now they sell the plastic headphones signature pro for that ridicolous price, it is totally unacceptable, especially the little piece of "real glass" WOW real glass that they put on it... what the f..k for £800 you have to build a space-grade titanium headphones!!!.

I appreciate brands like Audeze for their quality material and manufacturing, they even look at leather free materials (plastic in this case does make sense) and the use of the fantastic bamboo, bravo Audeze, although they are starting also to follow the same marketing logic selling the LCD 3  for +$1000 the price of the LCD 2!! I hope they don't start to make the housing of the drivers in plastic for the next model or increasing another $1000.

Sorry probably I have been a bit harsh but as customer and music quality lover I am really frustrated with all this, it is getting worse and worse every day. I have nothing against plastic, but it is what it is, so please sennheiser don't sell the HD25 at more than £150, they should cost at most £50, or don't sell the MOMENTUM wow!!! at £250 and then put plastic cups and even worse, plastic joints for the earcups, and please upgrade your plastic transducers of the middle range series.

 

I am sure that there are a lot of people that don't agree with me, but I am also sure there are plenty of folks that have my same thoughts, for the latters please don't allow these people to fool you, buy good quality product and obviously good sounding for a fair price.

 

Where is the old Sony that built the wonderful R10!!! 


While I have certainly expressed my thoughts regarding the driver, I'm good with Sennheiser's material choices.  There are many great looking and sounding headphones with plastic cups that are fairly durable as well.  I don't beat up my headphones, so I am not worried about cracking the cups.  Also, they use premium materials where they should be- leather where it comes in contact with your skin and metal in the band where you need durability and flexing.  Also, the cable seems to be higher quality than most.

post #120 of 460

Well what I am trying to say here is that for example sennheiser does very good sounding headphones indeed, my total disappointment is this whoraisesthepricemore race, trust me in mass production these headphones cost a ridicolous small fraction of the price we pay, it doesn't cost too much to put some good quality material in these cans, I can understand their research and design must be paid back but they are not designing a space shuttle. Also I don't know for you but in my personal case if I spend $300+ for some headphones I expect them to last at least 20 years, as example I have a couple of GENELEC amplified loudspeakers from 1987 that work just perfect (thanks God GENELEC still has this product philosophy) or I own and trade Russian and German lenses from the 70's that also perfectly work. I seriously doubt that modern headphones can last that long and still being enjoyable, imagine the HD800 within 20 years and all the shiny silvery paint coming off to leave exposed the fantastic whitish plastic, imagine the owner that payed $1000+ for these!! And what about reselling products, after few years this plastic stuff would be just rubbish to leave in a dump. I don't even want to talk about the spare parts and the service available for such expensive products, for most of the brands the parts are just available for few years and then good night, throw it away.

 

So in the last two decades the prices have increased exponentially and the materials, customer service and lifetime of the product is decreased exponentially, somebody could argue that we have improved the technology and then I would say WHAT!!! 90% of the headphones use exactly the same technique invented at the beginning of the 20th century, apart few exception like the beyerdynamic Tesla drive, the ring diaphragm from SENNHEISER and some other brave manufacturer which in my opinion did a little bit in terms of research. How about developing orthodynamic and electrostatic drivers, how about diaphragm technology like B&W and Focal did in their field, how about research in audiology that should be made by these entrepreneurs!! The range of frequency that goes from 3 KHz to 12 KHz is massively dependent on the ear canal of every single person, meaning every person has a different perception of timbre and audio frequency (as you can frequently verify on this website posts and reviews) and I still see people spending $$$$ in amplifiers and 196/24 bit DACS and cables while they are missing completely a big chunk of the auditory perception probably because of their ear-canal configuration.

 

OK I went a bit further :) but I have the sensation that like everything else in this world everything is going towards the feeble and transitory appearance replacing the substance and what really counts, in particular I am talking about brands that really made the history of the headphones and technology, like Sennheiser, AKG, Sony etc, please go back in your history and find again good research and substance and give us quality lasting products for a reasonable price, probably less products per year but better and smarter.

 

People buy less junk and favour good quality products, possibly buy good second hand stuff and buy new only if it is worth it, excellent audio product are not iphones to change every month!!

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