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post #301 of 356
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Originally Posted by quartertone View Post
 

Total nonsense about hybrids - based on what, one experience? The H-200, the recent Dunu DN-1000 or the Astrotec AX60 are on a different level. 

 

Edit: funny that you call the H-100 sound pathetic, then write "World class clarity" in your sale classified...

well it does have world class clarity. clarity it does have, and i mentioned it's clarity and instrument separation. I said I was disappointed in the MIDS. Oh and the Astrotec AX60 have gotten mixed to negative reviews, and in the Astrotec instance, some chiding from audio professionals, so I'm pretty sure you're wrong about those examples. DUNU DN-1000 also mixed reviews, and if you go back to see Joker's review of the H-100, he even said he thought the H-100 was better than the DUNU and other available single BA + single dynamic driver IEM's, and btw the H-200 is not a single dynamic + single BA is it? It's a single dynamic and TWFK dual BA. Different dinosaur, my friend. 

post #302 of 356
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Originally Posted by roy_jones View Post
 

I can see how some would find the upper mids a little dry and the treble a little harsh for their taste.  These remind me of a Grado shrunk down to IEM size. 

Glad you enjoy your IE800!

But by no means i could call their treble harsh. On the contrary, they seriously lack treble compared to my Brainwavz B2, which TDK could not beat. IE800 just don't have enough sparkle on the upper end, clarity, energy and detail. For some people, their mids & extended soundstage would compensate that, but unfortunately I'm not one of them, at least for now. I will keep them as my secondary IEMs though, just for a different sound signature. Maybe I will change my mind after more listening.


Edited by 3stun - 12/10/13 at 12:23am
post #303 of 356
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Originally Posted by IEMagnet01 View Post
 
DUNU DN-1000 also mixed reviews, and if you go back to see Joker's review of the H-100, he even said he thought the H-100 was better than the DUNU and other available single BA + single dynamic driver IEM's, and btw the H-200 is not a single dynamic + single BA is it? It's a single dynamic and TWFK dual BA. Different dinosaur, my friend. 

Responses to the DN-1000 have been unanimously positive - perhaps you could link some negative comments? It also has a dual BA like the H-200, by the way. Besides, you didn't restrict it to single+single hybrids, you simply said "hybrids are crap!"

post #304 of 356
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Originally Posted by 3stun View Post
 

Glad you enjoy your IE800!

But by no means i could call their treble harsh. On the contrary, they seriously lack treble compared to my Brainwavz B2, which TDK could not beat. IE800 just don't have enough sparkle on the upper end, clarity, energy and detail. For some people, their mids & extended soundstage would compensate that, but unfortunately I'm not one of them, at least for now. I will keep them as my secondary IEMs though, just for a different sound signature.

The B2's are like my old DBA02...brilliant iem with superior detail retrieval and serious treble action! As long as you loathe bass, then these are a GREAT iem choice for you, because the bass is so anemic in those two iems, that my UE 700 bass seems bloated in comparison. Still a great iem for clarity and detail retrieval. 

post #305 of 356
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Originally Posted by IEMagnet01 View Post
 

The B2's are like my old DBA02...brilliant iem with superior detail retrieval and serious treble action! As long as you loathe bass, then these are a GREAT iem choice for you, because the bass is so anemic in those two iems, that my UE 700 bass seems bloated in comparison. Still a great iem for clarity and detail retrieval. 

Any advices for an upgrade from B2 in terms of clarity, with similar sound signature?

Looking for one now.

And yes, I prefer bass to fall behind treble & mids.

post #306 of 356
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Originally Posted by 3stun View Post
 

Any advices for an upgrade from B2 in terms of clarity, with similar sound signature?

Looking for one now.

And yes, I prefer bass to fall behind treble & mids.

VSONIC GR01 and UE 700 are the only ones I can attest to that I've owned or auditioned, since I've owned the B2 and DBA. The BA's that I know of that have much better bass response but still deliver crystal clarity that I've owned or auditioned and come off the top of my head are the Klipsch X10UE TF 10, and the Audio Technica CK90. Oh and they do have a newer Brainwavz dual BA R3?? Haven't heard that one, but it might offer increased bass response and the same clarity as the B2?? Anyone else try these and agree?? Or have dual BA suggestions that might be better?

post #307 of 356

The R3 are dual dynamics, and don't seem to have much of a bass emphasis.

post #308 of 356
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Originally Posted by IEMagnet01 View Post
 

VSONIC GR01 and UE 700 are the only ones I can attest to that I've owned or auditioned, since I've owned the B2 and DBA. The BA's that I know of that have much better bass response but still deliver crystal clarity that I've owned or auditioned and come off the top of my head are the Klipsch X10UE TF 10, and the Audio Technica CK90. Oh and they do have a newer Brainwavz dual BA R3?? Haven't heard that one, but it might offer increased bass response and the same clarity as the B2?? Anyone else try these and agree?? Or have dual BA suggestions that might be better?

Thanks, I've heard Audio-Technica top-tier models are known for bright sound signature and very good clarity and detailing. As for TF10, it is said to have recessed mids...

JVC FXT90 seems to fit my tastes in sound, but other head-fiers told me it is not a true upgrade from B2.


Edited by 3stun - 12/10/13 at 4:54am
post #309 of 356
I have and currently use the FXT90, and it's so different as far as sound signature to the B2. The clarity and timbre are very close, if not better than the B2, but they require hours and hours of AGGRESSIVE burn in to achieve the desired sound, plus they lose out on soundstage/transparency.
post #310 of 356

What about Philips Fidelio S2? Seems like a bright iem.

post #311 of 356
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Originally Posted by 3stun View Post
 

What about Philips Fidelio S2? Seems like a bright iem.

The S2's are not bright. They are balanced with slightly aggressive mids, much like the JVC FXT90. If there's any IEM that I've ever owned that come close to the sound signature of the JVC FXT90, it's the S2, but with far less bass presence than the FXT90. The bass is different. The bass of the S2 has more articulation and refinement, where as the JVC's bass is more thuddy and neanderthal. The S2 is a refined sound with a little bit of teeth.

post #312 of 356

So I figured out the downside to the wonderful sound I discovered in these- I'd been auditioning them in the comfort of my home, but once I tried them on the go I found the cable to be the most microphonic I've encountered by a wide margin and the isolation a stark contrast to my sealed BA IEM experience. 

 

It's funny because I think I was exposed to all the positives of dynamic driver IEMs without any of the negatives in my initial experience with the IE800.  The lack of isolation is standard to dynamic IEMs, but restricts their use to quiet environments and then their unique niche is diminished and I start wondering about full sized cans.  

 

These have made me appreciate my UM3X and how I arrived at it as my primary IEM more.  While I love the neutrality of the IE800 for critical listening in an ideal environment, the warmer tuning of the Westone is more forgiving and suited to an on-the-go experience in the real world where more prominent bass is necessary.   


Edited by roy_jones - 12/11/13 at 2:07am
post #313 of 356

There's a shirt clip for the microphonics.

post #314 of 356
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Originally Posted by roy_jones View Post
 

So I figured out the downside to the wonderful sound I discovered in these- I'd been auditioning them in the comfort of my home, but once I tried them on the go I found the cable to be the most microphonic I've encountered by a wide margin and the isolation a stark contrast to my sealed BA IEM experience. 

 

It's funny because I think I was exposed to all the positives of dynamic driver IEMs without any of the negatives in my initial experience with the IE800.  The lack of isolation is standard to dynamic IEMs, but restricts their use to quiet environments and then their unique niche is diminished and I start wondering about full sized cans.  

 

These have made me appreciate my UM3X and how I arrived at it as my primary IEM more.  While I love the neutrality of the IE800 for critical listening in an ideal environment, the warmer tuning of the Westone is more forgiving and suited to an on-the-go experience in the real world where more prominent bass is necessary.   

That's the biggest reason I sold them. Between the fit I got in my left ear (+the driver flex), and the microphonics (with a flat chord, the shirt clip still sucks), i just couldn't deal with these as an on the go IEM, and I take my music everywhere I go. Everywhere. 

post #315 of 356

At this point, I'm starting to think my UE TF 10's and my Audio Technica EP1's are my best IEM's for travel and comfort. The UE TF 10's because they sound so sublime, and I can lock them into a pretty solid fit, unlike some other folks, and my huge ear canals swallow a bunch of the TF 10 (a reason the majority of other IEM's DON'T fit me correctly), and the Audio Technica's because they got a shape similar to the Sennheiser CX series, and they just sit in so nicely. They also sound very smooth and balanced, just not very air or transparent, and are a very underrated IEM. The Vsonics lagging a little bit behind after these. 

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