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post #616 of 2678

I received mine earlier today and have been letting them burn for the past 8 hours or so.  

So far I find them to be more balanced than the other recent portable cans I've purchased.  (COP, Momentum, UE6000 and a couple I've had for awhile, L1, MixMaster)

 

First off these are very light and are more minimalistic than what I thought looking at the pictures.  They are comfortable but the pads get warm after a little awhile.  Build seems nice.  It doesn't creak or make any noise that I've heard for being mostly plastic.  The outer cups seem like aluminum to me but I don't know.  They look stunning in person, one of the best looking cans I've ever seen.  ( I ended getting the silver version)

 

Bass seems tight and controlled.  I don't hear much sub-bass, it's mostly mid-bass (which I normally dislike but Sony seems to have blended the bass quite well with the mids and highs in this headphone.  I am not disappointed by the bass one bit but I do wish it reached lower.  

 

Vocals are forward but not too forward.  Positioning seems almost spot on from what I've heard so far.  I can annoyed when vocal have that in your face type of presence but I don't hear it.  

 

Trebles seems to be right on with decent sparkle and never nearing any sibilance or being aggressive.

 

Soundstage on these are better than the other headphones mentioned.  It has perfect width and depth.  Not huge but the instrument separation is very good.  It has the best 3D layering of all the portables I have.  

 

Just wanted to do a quick summery but I might get into a more in-depth comparing with other headphones after I've had these burn in for a couple more days.  

 

Also, it sounds great with an amp but performed very well straight out of the iPhone.

post #617 of 2678

A mid-bassy can that's supposed to fit today's music tastes with no subbass? The #^$@ Sony?

post #618 of 2678
I used this test sweep from Utube http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=2tr9-PzJl_c&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D2tr9-PzJl_c and the 1R started to roll off at 30hz but went down to at least 20hz but was getting very quiet. The XBA3 on the other hand was definitely louder and went down to at least 10hz.

So I think the 1R does have sub-bass just not as much quantity as I think some will like.

Btw what is the cut off for mid-bass vs sub-bass?
post #619 of 2678
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Originally Posted by dweaver View Post

I used this test sweep from Utube http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=2tr9-PzJl_c&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D2tr9-PzJl_c and the 1R started to roll off at 30hz but went down to at least 20hz but was getting very quiet. The XBA3 on the other hand was definitely louder and went down to at least 10hz.
So I think the 1R does have sub-bass just not as much quantity as I think some will like.
Btw what is the cut off for mid-bass vs sub-bass?

It was my impression that midbass frequencies didn't really start until 80Hz or so.  I'm sure it's different for everyone...

 

I think most people agree 50 Hz is bass... and I never know if people use the term "subbass" for frequencies below bass, or for low frequencies that would be produced by a subwoofer.

 

It seems like its rare for people to just describe "bass"; it seems like they either describe midbass or subbass.

 

I suppose I can't rule out the possibility of "bass" being a term that is more general and can further be broken down into "midbass" and "subbass" regions.  Undefinied language always makes things difficult!

post #620 of 2678

Hi, I found the following site: http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm

 

Sub Bass is16 to 60 Hz

Bass is 60 to 250 Hz

Mid range is 250 to 2k Hz

High Mid range is 2k to 4k Hz

High Frequencies is 4k to 20k Hz

 

You can also find the frequency spectrum of typical non electronic instruments. Very interesting and a must read for members of HeadFi.

 

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post #621 of 2678
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post

Hi, I found the following site: http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm

 

Sub Bass is16 to 60 Hz

Bass is 60 to 250 Hz

Mid range is 250 to 2k Hz

High Mid range is 2k to 4k Hz

High Frequencies is 4k to 20k Hz

 

I agree with this except subbass I'd concider going up to 80Hz.

post #622 of 2678
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

 

I agree with this except subbass I'd concider going up to 80Hz.

 

Well... people usually set their "subs" in the 60 to 100hz range (Crossover) so, I guess it should be within that range and below...

post #623 of 2678
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Damn, my Silver version is being delayed.  Should I just go with the Black one or wait?

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post #624 of 2678

I don't know or pay attention to frequency charts so I wouldn't have a clue.  I tell it like I hear it and after one more day with these I still don't hear much sub-bass as I'd like.  Just like dweaver said, these have sub-bass but not as much as I'd like or I'm use to with other headphones.  Still, I am very happy with these and sound fantastic.  As for the portable function and comfort, the MDR-1R might be the best so far that I've had my hands on.  

post #625 of 2678
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Originally Posted by HiFiGuy528 View Post

Damn, my Silver version is being delayed.  Should I just go with the Black one or wait?

 

Thinking the same thing! :-(

(But I just want the Silver ones!!!! So, I guess I'll wait...)

post #626 of 2678

the R1 will start to sell in our country around march april 2013 haha... wth...

post #627 of 2678
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post

Hi, I found the following site: http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm

 

Sub Bass is16 to 60 Hz

Bass is 60 to 250 Hz

Mid range is 250 to 2k Hz

High Mid range is 2k to 4k Hz

High Frequencies is 4k to 20k Hz

 

You can also find the frequency spectrum of typical non electronic instruments. Very interesting and a must read for members of HeadFi.

 

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I don't really agree with this.  Where is the midbass? 80-250 I agree with... Kinda. 16Hz? How many people can hear that? Less than 30 percent, I'm sure.

post #628 of 2678
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Originally Posted by R-Audiohead View Post


I don't really agree with this.  Where is the midbass? 80-250 I agree with... Kinda. 16Hz? How many people can hear that? Less than 30 percent, I'm sure.

mid-bass is included in the bass freq range, flanked by upper and lower bass. 16 Hz is borderline vibration, but with a good set of headphones it is reproducible as an audible low rumble. My HE400s can flap around 16 Hz but doesn't really move much air until 20 Hz sine waves. Cans with even better bass extension like Audezes or stats should be able to though.

post #629 of 2678

The MDR-1R has become my reference closed sub-$500 portable over-ear, and, for my preferences, its low bass response isn't something I've found lacking at all. As for its mid-bass, it does sound north of neutral to me, but not nearly enough (to my ears) to run the MDR-1R out of reference-type sound signature territory (especially for a closed headphone in its price range).

 

I'll say more about it after I finish the holiday update to the Buying Guide, but what I will say about it now is that, of the current crop of new closed, around-the-ear portables, the MDR-1R is the one I'd pick for more critical listening (versus the M-100, M4U 1, MOMENTUM, and UE6000). I find the MDR-1R's sound very well balanced; and though its not neutral, per se, it is among the most even-handed I've heard in the sub-$500 closed, portable over-ear category.

 

That it may be the most comfortable closed over-ear I've got certainly helps the MDR-1R earn a lot of ear time with me.

post #630 of 2678
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Originally Posted by jude View Post

The MDR-1R has become my reference closed sub-$500 portable over-ear, and, for my preferences, its low bass response isn't something I've found lacking at all. As for its mid-bass, it does sound north of neutral to me, but not nearly enough (to my ears) to run the MDR-1R out of reference-type sound signature territory (especially for a closed headphone in its price range).

 

I'll say more about it after I finish the holiday update to the Buying Guide, but what I will say about it now is that, of the current crop of new closed, around-the-ear portables, the MDR-1R is the one I'd pick for more critical listening (versus the M-100, M4U 1, MOMENTUM, and UE6000). I find the MDR-1R's sound very well balanced; and though its not neutral, per se, it is among the most even-handed I've heard in the sub-$500 closed, portable over-ear category.

 

That it may be the most comfortable closed over-ear I've got certainly helps the MDR-1R earn a lot of ear time with me.

As an aside, Jude, have you heard the AKG offerings this year (K167, K267)?

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