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post #1726 of 3778
If you have the UE900 already but are not sure take it back and try the W4. If I had not been 100% satisfied with the UE900 I would have returned it and tried the W4 myself.
post #1727 of 3778
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Originally Posted by dweaver View Post

If you have the UE900 already but are not sure take it back and try the W4. If I had not been 100% satisfied with the UE900 I would have returned it and tried the W4 myself.

Will do. Glad you like them.

post #1728 of 3778
Have you guys heard of a new technology called Dolby headphone. Dolby started puting this tech on a few device and my new phone that I got is one of them and I must say it made my ue 900 sound unreal I never heard customs but if I did I would imagine it will sound like this. This should be on every device
post #1729 of 3778
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Originally Posted by jayaudio116 View Post

Have you guys heard of a new technology called Dolby headphone. Dolby started puting this tech on a few device and my new phone that I got is one of them and I must say it made my ue 900 sound unreal I never heard customs but if I did I would imagine it will sound like this. This should be on every device

 

Ehmm.. your Nokia phone has a high output impedance so actually you alter the sound of multi-BA in-ears like the UE900. I haven't read any impressions on IEM + Dolby Headphone before, but I think the outcome might not be as great as long as you have the sound "in your head" anyway, which is especially the case with the UE900.

 

More importantly, music is in stereo. There is no surround recording. What Dolby Headphone does is simulate a room with echo and dampen sound from the back as it would hit the backside of your ear. But we are talking stereo and not surround so the feature is worth nothing with music. In the contrary, it ruins the idea of hifi.

 

Personally, I think it shouldn't be on any device unless you use your phone with fullsize headphones (or at least dynamic IEMs) instead of a TV to watch blockbusters.

post #1730 of 3778
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Originally Posted by Ultrazino View Post

 

Ehmm.. your Nokia phone has a high output impedance so actually you alter the sound of multi-BA in-ears like the UE900. I haven't read any impressions on IEM + Dolby Headphone before, but I think the outcome might not be as great as long as you have the sound "in your head" anyway, which is especially the case with the UE900.

 

More importantly, music is in stereo. There is no surround recording. What Dolby Headphone does is simulate a room with echo and dampen sound from the back as it would hit the backside of your ear. But we are talking stereo and not surround so the feature is worth nothing with music. In the contrary, it ruins the idea of hifi.

 

Personally, I think it shouldn't be on any device unless you use your phone with fullsize headphones (or at least dynamic IEMs) instead of a TV to watch blockbusters.

 

Actually, the UE 900 has been known to improve with resistance (adding a 100 ohm adapter proves positive).  Adding resistance, according to Inks, is basically the same as having the same load of output impedance :p (I remember him saying this at some point).  The W4 also seems to improve with this as well.  

 

@ your last statement, why do you say it's fine for only dynamic IEMs?  A BA can be tuned to have similar characteristics of a dynamic.  Look at the Heir Audio 3.Ai and Phonak PFE 232 for example.  I also hear the Triple-Fi 10 and W3 are also very similar to dynamics.  

 

I do agree with the rest of your statements though.  There really is no need to use software to adjust the sound to artificially create sound stage.  This is the same way, however, a headphone will physically create sound stage itself (by altering different frequency outputs to make some things more distant than others; soundstage is rarely put into the actual recording).  The only reason why I would go ahead and use this software is for what you said, movies and television.

post #1731 of 3778
The out come seem pretty good to my ear. Maybe they just work well with the 900. I tryed other technology like this one and they did not sound as good also when I plug my 900 in my PC the soundstage is also increased but everything sound too spread out and thin. These sound just right. Sound like I'm at a concert
post #1732 of 3778
Since I have a Nokia 920 I just played with the Dolby option and agree it's fun for movies and the like but colors music to much for my preference.

The 920 is an excellent music source. I switched back to my iPhone 4 a while back and found it to dark sounding after using the 920 for the past couple of months. I am not sure whether the difference is from the DAC chip, the impedance, or both but I do like it.

I also have played around with an ohm adapter in conjunction with my desktop amp and the UE900 and do like the results but have a hard time quantifying the differences in sound I am hearing.
post #1733 of 3778
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Originally Posted by jayaudio116 View Post

The out come seem pretty good to my ear. Maybe they just work well with the 900. I tryed other technology like this one and they did not sound as good also when I plug my 900 in my PC the soundstage is also increased but everything sound too spread out and thin. These sound just right. Sound like I'm at a concert

The 920's Dolby function added warmth to the UE900 which maybe something you have been finding missing and may not be how your PC's software is configured when it digitally alters the music your listening to. The one thing about this kind of software is they all approach the result slightly differently as compared to using the exact same algorithms and tricks to achieve the sound they are aiming for.
post #1734 of 3778
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Originally Posted by dweaver View Post


The 920's Dolby function added warmth to the UE900 which maybe something you have been finding missing and may not be how your PC's software is configured when it digitally alters the music your listening to. The one thing about this kind of software is they all approach the result slightly differently as compared to using the exact same algorithms and tricks to achieve the sound they are aiming for.

 

If they are using the same exact algorithms to achieve an output, the differences between them (assuming good backward stability) will be close enough to each other to call the digitally outputted track the "same" (again, assuming algorithms are backward stable).  Backward stable algorithms are a must in any type of industry, even the ones that aren't backward stable rarely will show differences this large.  

 

That said, the main differences you'll hear, assuming the same algorithm is used, is going to be produced by the machine itself.  That is, the DAC/AMP used to create a coloration of sound.  

post #1735 of 3778

Picked up a pair of these from the Apple store tonight to give them a go. I find them to be a bit lackluster, there is something missing in the upper mids. Female vocals sound flat and lack emotion. Can't put my finger on it but something is off. They do handle percussion very well with proper attack and decay but overall they seem to be a jack of many genre's master of none. The packaging is fantastic and I really like the design. Very comfortable but I'd like a double flange or some other option for more variety in seal. 

 

Question: Does anyone know if the cables these came with are interchangeable with the Shure SE535?

post #1736 of 3778
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Originally Posted by wakeride74 View Post

Picked up a pair of these from the Apple store tonight to give them a go. I find them to be a bit lackluster, there is something missing in the upper mids. Female vocals sound flat and lack emotion. Can't put my finger on it but something is off. They do handle percussion very well with proper attack and decay but overall they seem to be a jack of many genre's master of none. The packaging is fantastic and I really like the design. Very comfortable but I'd like a double flange or some other option for more variety in seal. 

 

Question: Does anyone know if the cables these came with are interchangeable with the Shure SE535?

 

They are interchangeable with the SE535 cables (use the same sockets).  I would keep breaking them in, or put a tiny piece of tape over the pinhole bore (it's the hole in the nozzle that's a pinhole).  I'll make them closer to neutral.  If you don't tape, your ear secretions will eventually fill up the bore (unless you keep your ears squeaky clean).  I agree that vocals, in general, lack emotion (the warmth/lushness, but females are still better rendered than male since the headphones still have that resonance peak that allow you to hear the upper octaves).  

 

If that above mod makes the female vocals *worse* in your opinion, then I would ward you away from the UE 900.  An IEM like the 4.Ai may be better suited towards your preferences ;)  


Edited by tinyman392 - 3/16/13 at 9:38pm
post #1737 of 3778
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

 

They are interchangeable with the SE535 cables (use the same sockets).  I would keep breaking them in, or put a tiny piece of tape over the pinhole bore (it's the hole in the nozzle that's a pinhole).  I'll make them closer to neutral.  If you don't tape, your ear secretions will eventually fill up the bore (unless you keep your ears squeaky clean).  I agree that vocals, in general, lack emotion (the warmth/lushness, but females are still better rendered than male since the headphones still have that resonance peak that allow you to hear the upper octaves).  

Thanks for the speedy response. I noticed that small hole near the bore and thought that was a pretty poor design choice but I'll try covering them and see how it sounds. The last pair of UE's I heard/owned were my custom UE11's and they were amazing. These aren't bad but I'd probably place them slightly behind the SM3v2 simply because of the poor rendering of vocals. On the flip side they have the SM's beat in PRaT so maybe it's a wash depending on what your ears are drawn towards.

 

edit - Can you buy the blue iPhone cable separate anywhere?


Edited by wakeride74 - 3/16/13 at 9:48pm
post #1738 of 3778
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Originally Posted by wakeride74 View Post

Thanks for the speedy response. I noticed that small hole near the bore and thought that was a pretty poor design choice but I'll try covering them and see how it sounds. The last pair of UE's I heard/owned were my custom UE11's and they were amazing. These aren't bad but I'd probably place them slightly behind the SM3v2 simply because of the poor rendering of vocals. On the flip side they have the SM's beat in PRaT so maybe it's a wash depending on what your ears are drawn towards.

 

Unfortunately, the UE 900 never really do completely fix the problem they have with vocals.  They don't get to the highest areas they should (but still amply get up enough), and they definitely lack in intimacy and warmth, emotion as you stated, which sets them back a bit (if there was one thing to change on the UE 900, it's this IMO) :(  

 

Quick warning about blocking the pinhole bore, it will make the UE 900 much more dry and sterile.  Seeing your past IEMs (SM3 is the only one I've read up on, haven't listened to either), it may not be the direction you want to go.  I think Rin described it as being able to match the linearity of the ER4 (with 100 ohm adapter).  If that's not the direction you want to go, you may not want to plug that hole up :p


Edited by tinyman392 - 3/16/13 at 9:54pm
post #1739 of 3778
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

 

Unfortunately, the UE 900 never really do completely fix the problem they have with vocals.  They don't get to the highest areas they should (but still amply get up enough), and they definitely lack in intimacy and warmth, emotion as you stated, which sets them back a bit (if there was one thing to change on the UE 900, it's this IMO) :(  

 

Quick warning about blocking the pinhole bore, it will make the UE 900 much more dry and sterile.  Seeing your past IEMs (SM3 is the only one I've read up on, haven't listened to either), it may not be the direction you want to go.  I think Rin described it as being able to match the linearity of the ER4 (with 100 ohm adapter).  If that's not the direction you want to go, you may not want to plug that hole up :p

Hmmm... sounds like they may be ripe for a return. There is a lot to like with them but I don't know that I can live with the deficiencies at this price point. I may grab some 535's but slap on a UE900 blue cable if I can find one.

post #1740 of 3778
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Originally Posted by wakeride74 View Post

Hmmm... sounds like they may be ripe for a return. There is a lot to like with them but I don't know that I can live with the deficiencies at this price point. I may grab some 535's but slap on a UE900 blue cable if I can find one.

 

LOL, I understand what you're saying.  Do at least test the tape over the nozzle though :p  If need be, I'll send you a tiny bit of tape to do it.  Does Fed-Ex work for you? :p  LOL, JK.  

 

I see you like the UE cable ;)  Although a lot don't (some feel the memory wire is not stiff enough), I actually like it a lot too.  Now, the real problem would be finding a Shure SE535 that could match the blue cable :p  

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