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Originally Posted by Ultrazino View Post

 The bloated midbass is a mess. I sold the W4 because of that.

 

 

This is an erroneous statement and is of no help to anyone.  No different than me saying there is a big midbass suck-out with UE900 making it cold and too analytical.

 

It still comes down to tastes and preferences.  I don't think Westone spent 1000's of hours of engineering on W4 to purposely screw it up.  You don't think they know what they're doing?

 

Again, W3 midbass could surely be considered overdone by the majority but the midbass of W4 provides warmth making it soothing and engaging, purposely shying away from a colder more analytical sound of a W2 type sound sig.

 

The brief time I had UE900 I really liked it but didn't have enough time with it to say it trumps W4.

post #1577 of 3636

Hey, just wanted to say thanks for the feedback dweaver/Inks.

 

This is so tempting as I can go pick up a pair within minutes from the Apple store, but ATM I'm happy enough with my FXZ200/Meridian Explorer combo to wait it out a bit longer for the revised FitEar 334s.  I'm sure they're quite awesome, but I know I'm just going to be thinking about that next level up, esp. when I'm using IEMs some 40+ hours every week and cost really isn't much of a factor as they're a tool to help me work.

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I know this is way old but I will likely be downgrading my desktop HD800 rig (changing jobs) and will probably move to IEM's. 

 

When I owned the SM3, I really enjoyed them for what I felt was their best strength - vocal rendering. Particularly with female vocals I found them to be very enjoyable. That said how does the 900 compare with respect to vocals? Are they equally front/center stage as the SMW or more pulled back like something from Shure? The last UE I owned was the custom UE10 which I loved.

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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post

Here are my quick comparisons of the UE 900 sourced by the DX100 with triple flange tips on the UE 900.

 

Vs. TF10: With the V shaped sound signature, the TF10 contrasts with the UE 900 as the UE 900 has a better balance from top to bottom.  The TF10 is warmer, but the bass quantity between the two isn’t too far off while the TF10 has a bit more treble that is more sparkly/peaky.  What’s not to like with the UE 900 vs. the TF10 as it is cleaner, clearer, more realistic and convincing while presenting more detail and fitting better.  Definitely a step up, and if you want the TF10 V shaped sound you can just EQ the mids down a bit!

 

Vs. SM3: The SM3 is much thicker and warmer with less clarity and much more bass emphasis and power.  While the treble of the SM3 doesn’t sound lacking, it isn’t as extended or present as the UE 900.  The UE 900 is more open and spacious with better articulation of details within the presentation.  The balance across the spectrum of the UE 900 is much better and while the SM3 has great imaging, the UE 900 bests it.  Overall the UE 900 has a cleaner, clearer presentation.  I think the form factor of the SM3 is a bit easier to use for my ears, but the UE 900 is still very easy to use and comfortable.

 

Vs. custom TF10 with silver cable (note that the sound isn’t exactly the same as the universal TF10 and the aftermarket cable makes a significant difference to the sound): The UE 900 has a more mid-forward, bright, and spacious/3D sound than the TF10. Bass quantity between the two is quite close, however with really bass heavy tracks the customized TF10 outputs slightly more deep bass rumble (note that the universal fit TF10 also has less bass rumble than the customized one).  Detail levels are higher with better instrument separation and resolution within the presentation, with the ability to articulate soft and distant sounds within the soundstage in an easy to hear way.  Overall the UE 900 is a step up in terms of resolution, detail, soundstage, and has a better balance across the frequency spectrum.  My custom TF10 review.

 

Vs. UE IERM: These two present music in similar fashion, in a spacious and 3D manner, but the UE 900 is warmer/fuller and has more bass focus and a bit less treble.  The treble of the UE 900 is more forgiving, but along with that some of the IERM details get lost in the smoother presentation.   Spatially, the IERM presents a space that is larger than the UE 900 in all directions, but retains the same proportions giving a very similar feel.  The IERM is the choice if you want to hear ultra-high levels of detail and have a very large presentation space, but the UE 900 is a relatively close approximation with a more “consumer” sound.  My IERM review.

post #1579 of 3636
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Originally Posted by wakeride74 View Post

I know this is way old but I will likely be downgrading my desktop HD800 rig (changing jobs) and will probably move to IEM's. 

 

When I owned the SM3, I really enjoyed them for what I felt was their best strength - vocal rendering. Particularly with female vocals I found them to be very enjoyable. That said how does the 900 compare with respect to vocals? Are they equally front/center stage as the SMW or more pulled back like something from Shure? The last UE I owned was the custom UE10 which I loved.

 

The UE 900 does female vocals better than it does male.  However, they still aren't the best vocally, the W4 and PFE232 did vocals better for me.  

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I love the vocals of the UE900 as I did when I had the SM3. The difference is the UE900 does bass and more importantly treble better than the SM3 in my opinion. Based on what I have read and what I hear. Since you want your vocals front and center, I think the UE900 will do that for you very well. The W4 will put you a bit further back in the seats if I am reading correctly. While the UE900 has had some QC issues, I also think it is more robust than the SM3 which was a very fragile IEM in my experience.

 

edit: just read Joes comments about the UE900 and the SM3 and I think he nails it very well...


Edited by dweaver - 2/22/13 at 8:28pm
post #1581 of 3636
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Originally Posted by dweaver View Post

I love the vocals of the UE900 as I did when I had the SM3. The difference is the UE900 does bass and more importantly treble better than the SM3 in my opinion. Based on what I have read and what I hear. Since you want your vocals front and center, I think the UE900 will do that for you very well. The W4 will put you a bit further back in the seats if I am reading correctly. While the UE900 has had some QC issues, I also think it is more robust than the SM3 which was a very fragile IEM in my experience.

 

You are right, the W4's vocals will sound a little further back, but they have much better dynamics in the vocals than the UE 900 does.  Same goes with the PFE232.  

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Originally Posted by dweaver View Post

I love the vocals of the UE900 as I did when I had the SM3. The difference is the UE900 does bass and more importantly treble better than the SM3 in my opinion. Based on what I have read and what I hear. Since you want your vocals front and center, I think the UE900 will do that for you very well. The W4 will put you a bit further back in the seats if I am reading correctly. While the UE900 has had some QC issues, I also think it is more robust than the SM3 which was a very fragile IEM in my experience.

 

edit: just read Joes comments about the UE900 and the SM3 and I think he nails it very well...

 

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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

 

You are right, the W4's vocals will sound a little further back, but they have much better dynamics in the vocals than the UE 900 does.  Same goes with the PFE232.  

The last Westone I heard was the W3 when it was a prototype but I did own some Es2's prior to that. Overall I enjoy the Westome sound but liked the SM3v2 better due to the vocal presentation. If the E900 does the same but with greater appreciation of the rest of the spectrum then that would be a win for me. If the W4 is more dynamic in the vocals but they are further back to the point where the dynamics count for less than the SM3v2 due to the recession then they are probably not for me... at least not in the sense that they would deliver the smiles the SM3v2 would.

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When ever I plug my 900 to my computer then back to my iPod I notice that sound opens up more. Has this happen to anyone else?
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You mean it's more open on the IPod or more open on your computer? If your noticing a difference from sources this will boil down to the amp of each source and the quality of the DAC and the specific qualities of each.

On my computer I use the Littledot DAC1 and a small solid state desktop amp both which are a bit on the bright side. So between the power of desktop amp and the sonic nature of my setup I get much airier sound out of my UE900 as compared to my windows phone. I also listen to flac rips of my music on my computer versus 256kb MP3 files on my phone.
post #1585 of 3636
When it's plug into my desktop every thing sound airy more natural wider soundstage and more powerfull compared to when it's plug into my iPod however when I plug it back into my iPod it sound like it took up some of those charterstic from when it was plug into the desktop but not as powerful idk if that make sense or not
post #1586 of 3636
Hmmm, are you switching fairly quickly between the two and were you using the laptop for a while? Also is this a brand new pair of UE900?

If these are brand new the cross over wiring may still be burning in so the added juice of the laptop may have sped up the process a bit. Anything else is likely brain burn in versus actual changes in the sound as BA's do not change much if at all with use.
post #1587 of 3636
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Originally Posted by dweaver View Post

I don't know what the technical term is called. But the UE900 has the ability to transition better than any IEM I have owned. This is really noticeable in volume shifts, they make songs soar and seem effortless as they reach their crescendo.

The word you're looking for is dynamics
post #1588 of 3636
I had this pair sense November. I was using them on my desktop for about two hours then switch them back to my iPod.
post #1589 of 3636
@knubbe if what I am talking about is dynamics then they are the most dynamic IEM I have owned.

@jayaudio116 I am not sure what your hearing between the two sources. Could it be a subtle change in how the IEM is sitting in your ears, I notice changes in ear pressure from day to days and sometimes through out the day and it's effects the sound.
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Originally Posted by jayaudio116 View Post

When ever I plug my 900 to my computer then back to my iPod I notice that sound opens up more. Has this happen to anyone else?

 

As with any headphone, the source can make a difference in sound. 

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