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This is true - David himself often goes out. He usually does a pink noise voice-print of the room to see how his speakers interact in situ, then uses it to begin his equalization and timing adjustments (manually is what I recall from the last time I saw him at it). Some of this is done at the speaker (the horizontal timing plates between speaker elements, as well as the back plate resistors - some of these are propagation delay, others are attenuators to do fixed value EQ based on the room) - they also make their own EQ box you can add to the system (especially with their Thor's hammer sub).

Nice speakers... not the best I've ever heard (I've heard Alexandria 2, Maxx, and Sophias), but certainly impressive - all of them. 

Every speaker, no matter what design, or cost - interacts differently in every room due to its dimensions, contents and acoustic treatments (or lack thereof). EQ helps mitigate the issues that can arise in each room, to get back to what the speaker designer, and the audio engineers who recorded and mastered the music intended. 

If it sounds "better" without the eq - then either the eq is done poorly, or you prefer a sound other than what the recording engineers created. That's cool - but you should recognize that's what it is. Colored sound, not true to the source.

But ultimately - there are many different ways to skin that cat - EQ is one very effective (and relatively cost effective, high quality) way, but not the only way. 
Yes. There's a difference between using measured response from a mic to set up a system and altering the source components. And I would agree that using a sub will require eq almost every time.
Btw, he has the Alexandria xl2s. It wasn't David who came, but two other guys. For the record, he uses almost all analog sources. Reel 2 reel and th clear audio statement table.
Everything colors the sound in home hifi. Everything.
post #242 of 403
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Everything colors the sound in home hifi. Everything.

 

Not everything, nor should it. Well designed gear colors it less. EQ lets you correct further if desired. 

post #243 of 403
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Originally Posted by liamstrain View Post

 

This is true - David himself often goes out. He usually does a pink noise voice-print of the room to see how his speakers interact in situ, then uses it to begin his equalization and timing adjustments (manually is what I recall from the last time I saw him at it). Some of this is done at the speaker (the horizontal timing plates between speaker elements, as well as the back plate resistors - some of these are propagation delay, others are attenuators to do fixed value EQ based on the room) - they also make their own EQ box you can add to the system (especially with their Thor's hammer sub).

 

Nice speakers... not the best I've ever heard (I've heard Alexandria 2, Maxx, and Sophias), but certainly impressive - all of them. 

 

Every speaker, no matter what design, or cost - interacts differently in every room due to its dimensions, contents and acoustic treatments (or lack thereof). EQ helps mitigate the issues that can arise in each room, to get back to what the speaker designer, and the audio engineers who recorded and mastered the music intended. 

 

If it sounds "better" without the eq - then either the eq is done poorly, or you prefer a sound other than what the recording engineers created. That's cool - but you should recognize that's what it is. Colored sound, not true to the source.

 

But ultimately - there are many different ways to skin that cat - EQ is one very effective (and relatively cost effective, high quality) way, but not the only way. 

 

It would be cool if David came with a truck load of different cables (instead of adjusting timing plates, EQ box, back plate resitors.... and all that stuff) to adjust performance biggrin.gif

post #244 of 403
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Originally Posted by liamstrain View Post

Not everything, nor should it. Well designed gear colors it less. EQ lets you correct further if desired. 
Just because a great turntable has a a different sonic signature than a great digital rig, doesn't mean one needs to "correct" one or the other by placing an inferior eq unit in between. If the turntable sounds superior, no eq in the world will make that digital sound the same. It's that old "perfect sound forever" lie of digital. It measures better, so it must sound better.......
Enjoyed the debate guys.
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It would be cool if David came with a truck load of different cables (instead of adjusting timing plates, EQ box, back plate resitors.... and all that stuff) to adjust performance biggrin.gif
Yeah. He doesn't care about speaker cable!cool.gif
post #246 of 403
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Originally Posted by liamstrain View Post

 

This is true - David himself often goes out. He usually does a pink noise voice-print of the room to see how his speakers interact in situ, then uses it to begin his equalization and timing adjustments (manually is what I recall from the last time I saw him at it). Some of this is done at the speaker (the horizontal timing plates between speaker elements, as well as the back plate resistors - some of these are propagation delay, others are attenuators to do fixed value EQ based on the room) - they also make their own EQ box you can add to the system (especially with their Thor's hammer sub).

 

Nice speakers... not the best I've ever heard (I've heard Alexandria 2, Maxx, and Sophias), but certainly impressive - all of them. 

 

Every speaker, no matter what design, or cost - interacts differently in every room due to its dimensions, contents and acoustic treatments (or lack thereof). EQ helps mitigate the issues that can arise in each room, to get back to what the speaker designer, and the audio engineers who recorded and mastered the music intended. 

 

If it sounds "better" without the eq - then either the eq is done poorly, or you prefer a sound other than what the recording engineers created. That's cool - but you should recognize that's what it is. Colored sound, not true to the source.

 

But ultimately - there are many different ways to skin that cat - EQ is one very effective (and relatively cost effective, high quality) way, but not the only way.

 

I'm assuming you mean acoustic treatments and proper room placement. I've always thought that such techniques were superior to equalization, as EQ can't truly correct for standing waves or early reflections. Those problems will still exist regardless of how you might adjust the levels.

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Just because a great turntable has a a different sonic signature than a great digital rig, doesn't mean one needs to "correct" one or the other by placing an inferior eq unit in between. If the turntable sounds superior, no eq in the world will make that digital sound the same. It's that old "perfect sound forever" lie of digital. It measures better, so it must sound better.......
Enjoyed the debate guys.

 

Then place a superior eq unit in between wink.gif

 

I agree that equalizers will not solve all problems, and will not make a rig sound exactly like another rig (some rigs have difficult, if not impossible, to fix limitations)... But they can make great rigs sound better.

 

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Yeah. He doesn't care about speaker cable!cool.gif

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by ultrabike - 9/6/12 at 10:49pm
post #248 of 403
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Then place a superior eq unit in between wink.gif

I agree that equalizers will not solve all problems, and will not make a rig sound exactly like another rig (some rigs have difficult, if not impossible, to fix limitations)... But they can make great rigs sound better.




I wonder, based on the original thread, if David heads over to the Shack for some bulk zip cord for those Alexandria's. David Wison, another one of those misguided guys who think cables matter.
post #249 of 403
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Wow! That's a whole lot of channels. That has to be for feature film work. They'd have three guys sitting at that board.

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Those speakers ain't no 20-20!

Those aren't the main monitors. Those are either talk back speakers or ones used to check the balance for cheap speakers at the end of the mix. I think that's glass for a foley booth in front of the board. The main monitors are probably overhead.

 

By the way, that photo appears to be a little old. That's the old style board automation. Newer boards have more computers.


Edited by bigshot - 9/6/12 at 10:01pm
post #251 of 403
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Originally Posted by jvandyk View Post

Everything colors the sound in home hifi. Everything.

When you're using all analogue sources  it sure does.

post #252 of 403
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Originally Posted by OJNeg View Post

 

I'm assuming you mean acoustic treatments and proper room placement. I've always thought that such techniques were superior to equalization, as EQ can't truly correct for standing waves or early reflections. Those problems will still exist regardless of how you might adjust the levels.

Room treatment isn't better or worse. It's just different. You do what you can with the room, then you finish with EQ. It isn't an either/or thing

post #253 of 403
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Originally Posted by jvandyk View Post


Just because a great turntable has a a different sonic signature than a great digital rig, doesn't mean one needs to "correct" one or the other by placing an inferior eq unit in between.
I always use an equalizer with my turntable. But I play a lot of 78s that don't adhere to the RIAA EQ curve. Even with LPs, it does help sometimes with warped records or high frequency crackle.
post #254 of 403
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Originally Posted by jvandyk View Post

I wonder, based on the original thread, if David heads over to the Shack for some bulk zip cord for those Alexandria's. David Wison, another one of those misguided guys who think cables matter.

I'd be happy to use boutique cables if it was on your dime and you were buying it from me!

post #255 of 403
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Originally Posted by jvandyk View Post


I wonder, based on the original thread, if David heads over to the Shack for some bulk zip cord for those Alexandria's. David Wison, another one of those misguided guys who think cables matter.

 Wow wait, I though he was one of those misguided guys that though equalization mattered, after all that talk about proprietary eq boxes and stuff...

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