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post #226 of 403
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Originally Posted by jvandyk View Post


Strictly your opinion of course. There isn't an eq in sight at my local high end dealer. I imagine David Wilson would not recommend an eq for his new Alexandria XL speakers. I run a passive system, the exact opposite of what you're talking about. Keep the source as pure as possible, and don't apply gain until the amp to speaker connection. A different planet from yours perhaps. But to each his own. Glad you enjoy your sound!

 

David Wilson seems to use equalizers BTW:

 

http://www.stereophile.com/interviews/690wil/index.html

post #227 of 403
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post

Equalization isn't about boosting or changing. It's about *calibrating* your system to match the system the sound mixers used to create the recording. Every recording studio equalizes the output of their studio monitors so the response is perfectly balanced from 20Hz to 20kHz. The speakers in your home are by definition not balanced. Every room and every speaker has a different response.Chaos. If you want to hear what the engineers intended, you have to calibrate your speakers to match theirs... a flat response.

If you don't equalize, I can guarantee you your system is already messing with the balance of the sound. You need to correct that. It doesn't matter if your speakers cost $100 or $10,000. EQ will improve the performance of any speaker.
Imagine the poor guy with 50hz speakers reading your post..jamming up the bass levers on his eq. There is maybe not a single person on this forum with speakers that are 20-20. And recording studios definitely don't use anything close to 20-20. I have had the pleasure of listening to true 20-20 monitors and they cost 125k. The eq in that system messed them up.

Like I said to the other poster though, I don't have a problem using an eq if your system really needs help like that.
post #228 of 403
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Originally Posted by ultrabike View Post

David Wilson seems to use equalizers BTW:

http://www.stereophile.com/interviews/690wil/index.html
I didn't see an eq shipped with his new Alexandria's. Since it is a cost no object. Product, you would think there would be one if it made them perform better.
post #229 of 403

You totally misunderstand what equalization is. It isn't to boost bass or extend the frequency range. It's to balance the frequencies within the range of your system. It doesn't matter if you have speakers capable of 20 to 20. If the response isn't balanced, it sounds bad. Your friend didn't have his equalizer set right. It wasn't the equalizer's fault. It was the high end audio salesman who sold him stuff without showing him how to set it up.

post #230 of 403
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Originally Posted by jvandyk View Post

I didn't see an eq shipped with his new Alexandria's. Since it is a cost no object. Product, you would think there would be one if it made them perform better.

 

One needs a couch to sit on to listen to music. Does it include that too? How about the bottle of wine and the cigar?

 

Read the interview he linked before you reply.


Edited by bigshot - 9/6/12 at 7:27pm
post #231 of 403
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post

You totally misunderstand what equalization is. It isn't to boost bass or extend the frequency range. It's to balance the frequencies within the range of your system. It doesn't matter if you have speakers capable of 20 to 20. If the response isn't balanced, it sounds bad. Your friend didn't have his equalizer set right. It wasn't the equalizer's fault. It was the high end audio salesman who sold him stuff without showing him how to set it up.

Wilson audio set the system up themselves.
post #232 of 403

Call them back to adjust the EQ properly. They probably just put out the little mike and let the automatic EQ find its own settings. For that kind of money, I would expect a custom manual EQ calibration. If the high end audio guys don't know what they're doing, there are probably home theater guys who can do it. Equalization is part of Dolby certification I believe.

 

Just because people charge a lot of money, it doesn't mean they're necessarily doing a good job.


Edited by bigshot - 9/6/12 at 7:42pm
post #233 of 403
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Call them back to adjust the EQ properly.

Nah. It sounded much better without the eq. Go ahead and give Wilson a call yourself though!
post #234 of 403

I bet my equalized system with JBL studio monitors and top of the line Sunfire sub sounds better than that high end unequalized one.

 

By the way, my system's specs go from 16Hz to 25kHz... not that extension like that really matters because it can't even be heard.


Edited by bigshot - 9/6/12 at 7:49pm
post #235 of 403
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I work in production sound as a producer and post production supervisor for TV and CD release. I sit at mixing boards and spend long nights in edit bays. My opinion is based on what I've learned from the people who engineer for a living.


Like this.... biggrin.gif

 

 

 

There must be a mirror in the middle of this somewhere...

Sorry to derail, carry on!

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post #236 of 403
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post

I bet my equalized system with JBL studio monitors and top of the line Sunfire sub sounds better than that high end unequalized one.

By the way, my system's specs go from 16Hz to 25kHz... not that extension like that really matters because it can't even be heard.
Rock on then big shot! No need to call Wilson audio anymore! Glad you enjoy your system
post #237 of 403
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Originally Posted by jvandyk View Post


I didn't see an eq shipped with his new Alexandria's. Since it is a cost no object. Product, you would think there would be one if it made them perform better.

Yup. Unfortunately I couldn't find any measurements for the Alexandria. But I found some for the MAXX Series 3 smile.gif:

 

http://www.stereophile.com/content/wilson-audio-specialties-maxx-series-3-loudspeaker-measurements

 

Not perfect though... That one may benefit from equalization and room placement... But if you like them the way they are then I guess it's cool biggrin.gif

post #238 of 403
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post


Like this.... biggrin.gif




There must be a mirror in the middle of this somewhere...
Sorry to derail, carry on!
beerchug.gif
Those speakers ain't no 20-20! Most studios don't give a crap about good sound these days anyway. What they do care about are high compression and overdubs.
And for the fleeting few that do care, most cringe when they hear the final product on cd or ripped to mp3.
post #239 of 403
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Originally Posted by ultrabike View Post

Yup. Unfortunately I couldn't find any measurements for the Alexandria. But I found some for the MAXX Series 3 smile.gif :

http://www.stereophile.com/content/wilson-audio-specialties-maxx-series-3-loudspeaker-measurements

Not perfect though... That one may benefit from equalization and room placement... But if you like them the way they are then I guess it's cool biggrin.gif
I wish they were mine to like them the way they are! Btw, good ole Watt Puppies will do!
post #240 of 403
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Originally Posted by jvandyk View Post


Wilson audio set the system up themselves.

 

This is true - David himself often goes out. He usually does a pink noise voice-print of the room to see how his speakers interact in situ, then uses it to begin his equalization and timing adjustments (manually is what I recall from the last time I saw him at it). Some of this is done at the speaker (the horizontal timing plates between speaker elements, as well as the back plate resistors - some of these are propagation delay, others are attenuators to do fixed value EQ based on the room) - they also make their own EQ box you can add to the system (especially with their Thor's hammer sub).

 

Nice speakers... not the best I've ever heard (I've heard Alexandria 2, Maxx, and Sophias), but certainly impressive - all of them. 

 

Every speaker, no matter what design, or cost - interacts differently in every room due to its dimensions, contents and acoustic treatments (or lack thereof). EQ helps mitigate the issues that can arise in each room, to get back to what the speaker designer, and the audio engineers who recorded and mastered the music intended. 

 

If it sounds "better" without the eq - then either the eq is done poorly, or you prefer a sound other than what the recording engineers created. That's cool - but you should recognize that's what it is. Colored sound, not true to the source.

 

But ultimately - there are many different ways to skin that cat - EQ is one very effective (and relatively cost effective, high quality) way, but not the only way. 

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