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The only bad comment that I have read on the sound quality of the AH-C300 is here in this thread.  It is from Eugguy saying that these have sharp treble.  From all other comments online, and I have searched quite deeply, it seems like these have an awesome sound even for audiophiles.  It seems like everything on their sound profile ranges between very good and excellent.  That makes me wonder why don't we see more reviews and comments as compared to other IEMs for which there are more negative reviews.  In other words, if these are so awesome, why aren't more people buying them even taking the risk of not getting a good fit and having to sell them later or just putting them away?  An awesome sound is worth the risk.  Something doesn't fit in this picture.  There aren't enough people raving about how good these sound, but everyone that tries them seems to find them awesome in SQ.  That doesn't fit.

Well they just look ridiculous is the answer.

They stick out at least an inch from each ear, if I could get this form-factor in a smaller package I'd happily spend 300 euro, I already have IE8s and no they are not as good, at least for the music I listen to. They also have a 3 ring jack, I'd say this is for Iphone control or something, my Cowon hates 3 ring jacks.

post #32 of 136

How does AH-C300 compare with Miles Davis Tribute, especially in bass?

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How do the AH-C300 compare to the IE8 in bass, mids, highs and soundstage?

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How do the AH-C300 compare to the IE8 in bass, mids, highs and soundstage?

http://www.head-fi.org/t/632165/ah-300-is-it-good-enough-or-are-there-any-contenders

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How do the AH-C300 compare to the IE8 in bass, mids, highs and soundstage?
http://www.head-fi.org/t/632165/ah-300-is-it-good-enough-or-are-there-any-contenders
I had read that thread before asking the question. There are not enough details there to understand the differences.. I was hoping that you would elaborate some more about the differences.triportsad.gif
Edited by Alberto01 - 11/2/13 at 12:31pm
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I had read that thread before asking the question. There are not enough details there to understand the differences.. I was hoping that you would elaborate some more about the differences.triportsad.gif

I'll do my best to give you my impressions then, not really an audiophile but I do own both.

 

I would describe the mids and treble of the 300s as being as good, if not better than the IE8s, the highs having a tad more sparkle.

Bass is the only thing that differentiates them, you can tame the bass on the IE8s to an extent, making them versatile. You cannot tame the bass with the 300s (although with the solid silicon tips, supplied, you can bleed off a lot of bass IMO).

 

The bass of the IE8s are of the mid base hump variety (think hammer hitting your head), whereas the 300s have a boomy bass (which is a good thing to me) the bass is present but across the whole low-end spectrum....the bass moves a lot of air but doesn't have to hammer it into your head, instead it can be smooth when it needs to be. I've heard people calling this muddy, it isn't, it can be tight and controlled if the sound calls for it.

 

Oops forgot soundstage, the IE8s are a shallow fit and I think that does wonders for its soundstage. The 300s have got soundstage but I think the IE8s are tops in this regard. I have heard others saying that the soundstage is as good, but I'd give the IE8s my vote. 


Edited by ShooterMacG - 11/2/13 at 4:17pm
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I'll do my best to give you my impressions then, not really an audiophile but I do own both.

 

I would describe the mids and treble of the 300s as being as good, if not better than the IE8s, the highs having a tad more sparkle.

Bass is the only thing that differentiates them, you can tame the bass on the IE8s to an extent, making them versatile. You cannot tame the bass with the 300s (although with the solid silicon tips, supplied, you can bleed off a lot of bass IMO).

 

The bass of the IE8s are of the mid base hump variety (think hammer hitting your head), whereas the 300s have a boomy bass (well not boomy exactly but sub woofer-like bass) (which is a good thing to me) the bass is present but across the whole low-end spectrum....the bass moves a lot of air but doesn't have to hammer it into your head, instead it can be smooth when it needs to be. I've heard people calling this muddy, it isn't, it can be tight and controlled if the sound calls for it.

 

Oops forgot soundstage, the IE8s are a shallow fit and I think that does wonders for its soundstage. The 300s have got soundstage but I think the IE8s are tops in this regard. I have heard others saying that the soundstage is as good, but I'd give the IE8s my vote. 

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I had read that thread before asking the question. There are not enough details there to understand the differences.. I was hoping that you would elaborate some more about the differences.triportsad.gif

I'll do my best to give you my impressions then, not really an audiophile but I do own both.

 

I would describe the mids and treble of the 300s as being as good, if not better than the IE8s, the highs having a tad more sparkle.

Bass is the only thing that differentiates them, you can tame the bass on the IE8s to an extent, making them versatile. You cannot tame the bass with the 300s (although with the solid silicon tips, supplied, you can bleed off a lot of bass IMO).

 

The bass of the IE8s are of the mid base hump variety (think hammer hitting your head), whereas the 300s have a boomy bass (which is a good thing to me) the bass is present but across the whole low-end spectrum....the bass moves a lot of air but doesn't have to hammer it into your head, instead it can be smooth when it needs to be. I've heard people calling this muddy, it isn't, it can be tight and controlled if the sound calls for it.

 

Oops forgot soundstage, the IE8s are a shallow fit and I think that does wonders for its soundstage. The 300s have got soundstage but I think the IE8s are tops in this regard. I have heard others saying that the soundstage is as good, but I'd give the IE8s my vote. 


Thank you, Shooter!

 

"I've heard people calling this muddy, it isn't, it can be tight and controlled if the sound calls for it." 

 

I do not know what people mean by "muddy" when dealing with the low frequencies.  However, I know that "muddiness" is having enough bass spill into the mids to make the mids lack in detail to the point that they are like a blurry TV/screen image.  That would be like having mids "veiled by the bass."  That is exactly what I am trying to avoid when searching for a bass heavy pair of IEMs.  I hate muddy mids.  With big bass IEMs, it is inevitable to have mids that are thick and somewhat bassy, with less detail or sharpness (like TV sharpness) than they are with bass moderate IEMs.  That is expected.  But, that is not the same as muddy mids.  With muddy mids, the midrange sounds like it has a bass blanket on them.  That usually comes from having excess mid bass.  Please, confirm that the AH-C300 mids do not sound like they have a bass blanket on them, at least to your hearing.  That will be my last request/question for you.


Edited by Alberto01 - 11/3/13 at 5:51am
post #39 of 136
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Please, confirm that the AH-C300 mids do not sound like they have a bass blanket on them, at least to your hearing.  That will be my last request/question for you.

 

I think you've kind of  pointed out why these phones get so much praise when compared to Beats. It must be the duel driver design or something....I'm no expert but its like one of the drivers must be tuned for nothing but bass, whereas the other must be handling the other spectrum (don't quote me!!!!!!) and the phones deliver these results as if you had a separate speaker + a sub-woofer in each ear, in contrast to the typical V-shaped balance that comes with single driver bass solutions.

 

If the mids get overpowered by the bass, which can happen, the impression I get is there are two speakers in my ear and the sub-woofer is just louder, but still separate ^ ^.

 

 

The bass does not really veil the mids, nor does it really bleed into the mids. Now, the mids themselves are not pronounced in the way of a mid-centric IEM like a Shure or my JVC HA-FXT 80s but then on the other hand they cannot compare to the pure bass these pump out. It is without a doubt the best form of bass delivery I've ever heard from IEMs.

 

The highs are sparkly to an extent, but not at all harsh to my ears.

post #40 of 136

Thank you Shooter!

 

That is a clear and quite specific explanation.  When it comes to headphones, being specific is a must in order to be able help others know if they could get along with what we have.


Edited by Alberto01 - 11/3/13 at 4:58pm
post #41 of 136
Hi all,
I'm new to this forum and from what I've experienced so far is that it's fantastic with loads of great reviews and helpful people.

Im thinking of getting the ah-c301's is there any difference to the c300's.
Also I'll be upgrading from my Klipsch image x10i's, are they better? From what I've gathered in my year of listening to the x10's is that they have a great amount of detail (for my ears) throughout the freq spectrum with low, detailed bass but they can sound strained and even distort at high volumes. A friend (kind of an audiophile) told me it was due to them havin only one driver.

Do the c300/301's resolve this in any way due to their dual drivers?

Thanks in advance smily_headphones1.gif
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Wow that's a good deal!

Here's one that's just as good: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Denon-AH-C400-In-Ear-Headphones-Microphone/dp/B008N5HU7A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386174431&sr=8-1&keywords=denon+ah-c400

 

I bought these recently and can't speak highly enough of them. The base is also very detailed if you get a good seal and equalize. I heard a lot of people saying the base distorts at high volumes. Well those volumes must be too high for my ears because I've never listened to them loud enough to go deaf. The detail in the mids and highs are brilliant.

Surely for that price they are the best deal available. They keep getting better each day as brain burn-in works its magic.

 

I also own the c300s and can say that 70 dollars is sale of the century territory, if you don't mind their size and the fact they stick out of your ears, their sound signature is incredible.


Edited by ShooterMacG - 12/4/13 at 8:34am
post #44 of 136

Having fun and being stupid are not the same thing.  Why in the world would someone want to listen at volume levels that are too high for what their ears can handle? :confused_face(1): 


Edited by Alberto01 - 12/4/13 at 9:05am
post #45 of 136
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Having fun and being stupid are not the same thing.  Why in the world would someone want to listen at volume levels that are too high for what their ears can handle? :confused_face(1): 

That and the price was the main reason reviewers marked them down. 

The distorted base really is not applicable to anyone who isn't already deaf and now that these are so cheap I'd say they are the best value dual BA phones around. I'd describe them as balanced.

I only got them a week ago or so but I've ignored all my other iems since I got these and the sound keeps getting better. 

 

I did notice a lot of head-fi'ers had them up for sale and I'd be interested in their reasons for that.

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