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post #181 of 1543
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Originally Posted by Kingwa View Post

15th Nov. : Through our work, VIA now release the USB32 firmware download tool . Users can download the pack (include the tool, a new firmware #1 and the firmware #3 , users guide) .
Users can change the firmware version under Windows , don't need open the gear to replace the firmware chip .

The USB32 can support DSD original file playback in DS / KS / WASPI model playback in our test with mulriple computers .

 


Not sure, If I've got it right... so now, when I have firmware #1, I can switch to firmware #3 just via software upgrade, without changing the chip?

post #182 of 1543

Yes, just need connect Windows and switch the software for the chip, don't need replace the chip anymore.

In future if the firmware have any update, only want to update in computer.

There is a user guide include in the file pack.

post #183 of 1543
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Originally Posted by Kingwa View Post

Yes, just need connect Windows and switch the software for the chip, don't need replace the chip anymore.

In future if the firmware have any update, only want to update in computer.

There is a user guide include in the file pack.


Kingwa, who is the manufacturer of this USB-32 Chip?

post #184 of 1543

Oh MY .... GOD.

 

I've just managed to get it work with ASIO under Windows XP.

 

I cannot believe my eyes (and ears), but yes, it's reality, the green ASIO icon in taskbar is showing, it is processing sound.

Wave slider of Volume Control doesn't change volume anymore, so it's proof, that now it's bypassing Windows Kmixer.

 

What I did to make it work?
Changed USB cable.

Disabled onboard audio, so Audio-gd USB device is the only one sound device on computer.

In Asio4all driver controls -> WDM Device List, disable all devices but one on the picture:

 

700

 

Also ensure, you have your USB 2.0 ports set to Hi-Speed, not FullSpeed in BIOS. My previous message about USB 2.0 device, is not showing anymore.

 

I'm really happy now. :-)


Edited by Warrax - 11/15/12 at 2:01am
post #185 of 1543
Originally Posted by jollyjoggler View Post

Kingwa, who is the manufacturer of this USB-32 Chip?

 

Via.

 

Originally Posted by Kingwa View Post

Yes, just need connect Windows and switch the software for the chip, don't need replace the chip anymore.

In future if the firmware have any update, only want to update in computer.

There is a user guide include in the file pack.

 

KingWa, I have noticed that promo NFB-11.32 devices (like the one I have) had USB-32 interface soldered on a small board above main board. I see on new pictures on NFB-11.32 page that USB-32 interface is now located on main board. There are also some other smaller changes (board ventilation holes...).

 

I have few questions:

 

  1. Is it really USB-32 interface on new (non-promo) units now soldered directly on the NFB-11.32 main board like on this picture?
     
  2. If future USB-32 firmware updates can be made through Via software - will you solder the USB firmware chip to the main board on future NFB-11.32 units (without socket adapter)?

 

Thanks in advance for your answers.

post #186 of 1543
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Originally Posted by Kingwa View Post

Yes, just need connect Windows and switch the software for the chip, don't need replace the chip anymore.

In future if the firmware have any update, only want to update in computer.

There is a user guide include in the file pack.

 

 

What do I need to run on my 11.32 DSD?

post #187 of 1543
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Originally Posted by FauDrei View Post

 

Via.

 

thanks, then it only could be this one http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/audio/usb/vt1731/index.jsp , interesting specs btw.

post #188 of 1543

I found this review of the NFB-11 and it shows that sound quality of this DAC is not good. 

http://www.diysoundlab.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50&Itemid=61

 

Quote:
 
Lifeless performance and flat dynamics with hint of new details. It was like somebody placed pillow over artist mouth and was trying to suffocate music. As this might be a little exaggeration, DAC was playing like any $30 CD player from Wal-Mart with little more detailed sound. 
 
1. Insufficient power filtering and conditioning from rectifier down to power lines feeding DAC. Separation of analog and digital DC voltages is not enough for a good sounding DAC.

2. Regardless of claims, capacitors are bad all around.

3. Without second thoughts, existing analog stage is bad. With or without capacitors, two hundred transistors will not do a good job to deliver clear results. Even Mr. Kingwa’s ACSS, “Diamond” output stage and non-feedback amplification could not save the music from monster grip of semiconductor’s forest.

4. PCB board quality and routing is not the best, signal traces not optimized. Overall, channels cross-talk is surprisingly high and reducing stage and depth of music.

5. 2 million transistors phone amp goes to scrap.

 

 

 

I ordered NFB-1.32 and I expected it would be very good DAC, but after reading this review I'm not sure because Kingwa said that NFB-1 and NFB-11 have almost equal sound quality.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/625945/audio-gd-nfb-1-32

 

Quote:
Concerning the difference between the NFB-11.32 and the NFB-1.32, Kingwa said the 1.32 is a little more clear and detailed, and should sound better through the balanced outputs.

 

Tell me please does NFB-11 sound really as $30 CD player or this reviewer is wrong?


Edited by Snuff - 11/15/12 at 3:40am
post #189 of 1543
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Originally Posted by Snuff View Post

I found this review of the NFB-11 and it shows that sound quality of this DAC is not good. 

http://www.diysoundlab.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50&Itemid=61

 

 

 

 

I ordered NFB-1.32 and I expected it would be very good DAC, but after reading this review I'm not sure because Kingwa said that NFB-1 and NFB-11 have almost equal sound quality.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/625945/audio-gd-nfb-1-32

 

 

Tell me please does NFB-11 sound really as $30 CD player or this reviewer is wrong?

This is complete nonsense, the device is well above its value accurately, at least for the usb. This user can use headphones to listen to for $ 2? Other explanations can not see.

post #190 of 1543
Same happens to me with this review , i am a little concerned cause unfortunately i don't have the chance to compare 11.32's sound against other DAC/amp, ( to hear if it souns like a $ 30 CD Player ) , so it left me a bittersweet feeling.
post #191 of 1543
Originally Posted by Snuff View Post

I found this review of the NFB-11 and it shows that sound quality of this DAC is not good. 

http://www.diysoundlab.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50&Itemid=61

 

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Tell me please does NFB-11 sound really as $30 CD player or this reviewer is wrong?

 

It depends on what you expect from a compact $300 DAC/headamp with integrated power supply.

 

For me it is ideal solution for headphone listening at work. SQ way better than any PC soundcard that I had, detailed, "black", enough power for my orthos and excellent USB interface... no need to commute with audiophilleo2 any more.

 

But sure... if you throw another 300-500 € into it and give it a new completely revised PSU, caps, tube (oh wow!) output stage in 5x bigger case, then yes - it will definitely sound much better... Especially if your power amp and speakers are good enough to reveal it... But then again - this would not be transportable headphone listening solution anymore, would it?

 

IMO, NFB-11.32 is definitely better than any off-the-shelf CD player... but to each it's own.


Edited by FauDrei - 11/15/12 at 4:57am
post #192 of 1543

I should have mine today. After reading that 'review' (does this writer have a creds?) instead of 100% sure I will be getting a very good better than average $400. DAC/AMP, I am now 98%. And I do expect the 2% to be completely obliterated after first plug in. I have a portable DAC/AMP which I have been listening with for a couple of weeks and will do a A/B.

 

Its only logical that all the people in this thread who think highly of this unit cannot be wrong. And there are other non-Head-FI reviews that tout the good qualities of the 11.32. So........try it and don't worry. I think we are able to return it if we do not like it within a certain period of time. You will be out only about $75. for shipping if that is what you decide.


Edited by Saraguie - 11/15/12 at 10:12am
post #193 of 1543
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Originally Posted by Saraguie View Post

I should have mine today. After reading that 'review' (does this writer have a creds?) instead of 100% sure I will be getting a very good better than average $400. DAC/AMP, I am now 98%. And I do expect the 2% to be completely obliterated after first plug in. I have a portable DAC/AMP which I have been listening with for a couple of weeks and will do a A/B.

Its only logical that all the people in this thread who think highly of this unit cannot be wrong. And there are other non-Head-FI reviews that tout the good qualities of the 11.32. So........try it and don't worry. I think we are able to return it if we do not like it within a certain period of time. You will be out only about $75. for shipping if that is what you decide.
I doubt that you would like to recover it. Even from the start you will be surprised, though will have to wait until the excessive bass disappears and the brightness
post #194 of 1543

Today, I've recieved HD600.

 

From initial listening, I have feeling, as I've expected, dark headphones doesn't fit very well to this DAC. They take out most of it's strongest part... nice shiny crystal clear details and highs. Highs are like lost in background... they are still nice, you hear that quality, but they are covered with that veil of darkness, it's volume is like reduced, and they are not shiny and highlighted anymore. Like they are behind the wall. I would say, this DAC needs brightess to shine. I'm enjoying sound characteristic of SR850 more, although sound quality and soundstage is of course worse in comparation of HD600. But they nice highlight those details and result is crystal clear characteristic, they just shine. When I change SR850 to HD600, I hear there something, that I don't like... like something would stand in the way, which should not be there. It's like, when you are lying on the beach and taking sunbath, and some person is going next to you, and he cast shadow on you... you find it as disturbing, as he blocks those nice warmh shiny energy from sun. That's it, when I change SR850 to HD600, I have feeling, like some shadow is blocking the sun.

So, maybe DT880, SRH 940/1440/1840 or AKG701 would fit more to this DAC. Unfortunately, I cannot test it. Now, I would like to have these headphones borrowed again.

 

Another point is, as Uberzone has above my post suggested, the sound characteristic of this device can change a little bit, and my NFB11.32 is very new (it has maybe 20-25 hours of playing). So maybe, it will start to fit HD600 more after some time, and I will like it more.

 

Uberzone, what's your expected time, to get rid of excessive bass and brightness?


Edited by Warrax - 11/15/12 at 12:51pm
post #195 of 1543
Originally Posted by Warrax View Post

Today, I've recieved HD600.

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...they are covered with that veil of darkness...

 

So you have finally been introduced to the HD-600 "Sennheiser veil" and laid back sound signature... biggrin.gif

 

...it's volume is like reduced...

 

...because it's impedance is like 3x - 5x higher than great majority of other headphones...

 

...I'm enjoying sound characteristic of SR850 more...

 

...and, I'm afraid, you very likely are into bright(er) headphones... Try K-701 that you've mentioned, try HE-x orthos, try HD-800... not so much LCD-x.

 

NFB-11.32 sound will settle, but it will never change so much to substantially change headphone "signature".

 

All IMO.


Edited by FauDrei - 11/15/12 at 1:57pm
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