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post #136 of 1544

So my NFB11.32 unit is at home.

But I have a problem. My ASIO4All is not working... it's just makes laggy sounds. When I plays it directly, it works fine. But without ASIO4all , it's not bitperfect.

 

I am using foobar2000, and Windows XP 32-bit. Cannot use Wasapi, as it's only for win7.

 

Before, on NFB12.1, ASIO4all worked fine. Wonder, if it cannot handle USB32 interface, or where can be the problem. :(
 

post #137 of 1544
Perhaps you need a proprietary driver. I had this problem with my Teradak.
post #138 of 1544
I have also received my 11.32 two days ago and i am using Windows XP Media Center Edition (32 bits)Service pack 2 and i am also having problems ,if someone using the 11.32 with Windows XP can help with some directions it will be very appreciated.

I downloaded the firmware V 1.0 and V 1.1 and i have tried both but the problems are the same.

1. The Envy USB control panel doesn't allow the option to set bit rate, sample rate etc...as it does in Windows 7
2. When using the 11.32 as my default audio device this happens
- when surfing the web , for example trying to listen sample tracks in HDTracks.com or watching videos on Youtube the sound is distorted and with a lot of noise , clickings etc wich makes impossible to listen
- when playing music in iTunes there are also clickings.
- when using Windows Media Player it doesn't output sound at all ( i look for a way in WMP preferences to use NFB 11.32 as audio device but there is not that optioin only in Windows control panel and i have already selected it there )

3. On the other hand the NFB 11.32 works fine when using it with foobar with this settings
- using the foobar_out_ks plug in for bit perfect output and selecting audio device KS: Audiogd (firmware V 1.0) or KS: HIEND ( Firmware V 1.1)
- Setting bit rate at 32 bits

I disabled the NFB 11.32 as audio device in foobar when using it to surf the web, listening iTunes or Windows Media Player but it didn't solve the problems.

So , i am stuck here and as Warrax i am afraid that the USB 32 doesn't work fine with Windows XP because of the fact that bit rate can't be set .

If someone can help would be great , since i have already contacted Kingwa and he suggested me to ask in this forum .

Regards,

Carlos
Edited by manzano804 - 10/26/12 at 4:56am
post #139 of 1544
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Originally Posted by CJG888 View Post

Perhaps you need a proprietary driver. I had this problem with my Teradak.


I'm eager to ask you how would you compare TeraDak V3 and 11.32?

post #140 of 1544
I'm afraid I haven't heard the NFB-11.32. I just pointed this out because the Teradak won't work with ASIO4ALL. Maybe you have the same issue.
post #141 of 1544
I've got the clicking sound problem as well. It happen so often when I play FLAC via VLC and occasionally in iTune on Mac OS but seldom in window7, foolbar. I email Audio-gd and they told me to change firmware, now I'm waiting for firmware No.3 from Thailand dealer too arrive. I'll update the result after changing firmware.

PS. I use macbook mid 2007 version, pretty old though, and furutech formula USB cable.
post #142 of 1544
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Originally Posted by CJG888 View Post

I'm afraid I haven't heard the NFB-11.32. I just pointed this out because the Teradak won't work with ASIO4ALL. Maybe you have the same issue.

I'm expecting to get 11.32 in a couple of days, it seems some folks have issues with it and I just hope to avoid any. Will be interesting to compare it to Matrix Cube (single WM8740 chip). In fact I'm sure WM8741 based DAC (NFB-5.32 for example) would fit my taste better, but I'm super interested to hear SABRE based device and 11.32 seems to be a good solution, pricewise as well. I got two TCXOs for free when ordered 11.32 but have no idea what's that =)

post #143 of 1544
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Originally Posted by justaguy View Post

I'm expecting to get 11.32 in a couple of days, it seems some folks have issues with it and I just hope to avoid any. Will be interesting to compare it to Matrix Cube (single WM8740 chip). In fact I'm sure WM8741 based DAC (NFB-5.32 for example) would fit my taste better, but I'm super interested to hear SABRE based device and 11.32 seems to be a good solution, pricewise as well. I got two TCXOs for free when ordered 11.32 but have no idea what's that =)
from my experience the 8741 is an upgrade in terms of detail over the 8740
post #144 of 1544

Hi,

 I have a NFB-12.1 ,that I have been using with Musiland Monitor 02 US the sound is very good but the NFB-12.1 can not play 176.4KHz files with spdif does anyone know why? I won't use the USB as it only does 44.1,48 and 96KHz rates .So I'm loking at getting a 11.32 or 15.1.I do like the bass of WM8741 chips and have never heard the ESS Sabre 9018 dac.I just don't know witch one to get?? Had more info .

 

post #145 of 1544

Does anybody know this amazing NFB-11.32 is a good pair with Denon AH-D5000?


Edited by boyfrombluesea - 10/30/12 at 11:26am
post #146 of 1544

Today, I've spent few hours playing with NFB11.32 connected through USB interface, in both Windows XP and Windows 7.

 

The results and my findings are following :

 

In Windows 7, audio-gd driver control panel is able to select output bit rate. The options are 16-bit, 24-bit or 32-bit. However, 32-bit cannot be selected, there is only such option, but grayed out. Only 16-bit and 24-bit can be selected. In Foobar2k preferences Output Tab, there is a option, to select Output Data format. Here can be selected 16, 24 or 32-bit. However, 32-bit doesn't work, when you want to play a file, you'll get error message. Only 16-bit and 24-bit data format is working under Windows 7.

For me, NFB11.32 cannot play 32-bit output format files under Windows 7, and it seems like software/driver issue. However, Audio-gd control panel have option for it, so it seems, it just cannot detect Windows 7, as OS, that can handle 32-bit output format, and will not allow transmition in this format.

 

Under Windows XP, there is no 16/24/32-bit option in Audio-gd control panel. However, in foobar, even 32-bit output format works. I'm not sure, if it true sent in this format, but probably it is... as foobar changes it to this data format, and send it to audio-gd driver. So it seems, that Audio-gd driver doesn't have problems with 32-bit format under Windows XP.

 

Now to the sample rate.

Under Windows 7, there cannot be played any other sample rate, except 44,1/48 Khz. If I try to play 96 Khz file, I'll get error. Same will happen, if I try to upsample 44,1Khz file to 88,2 or 96 Khz. This is very sad, and it practicaly degrades performaces and capabilities of this device. (if there is a way, how to make it work, please reply... maybe there is needed to turn on something in Windows 7)

 

Under Windows XP, all sample rates are working. So, under Windows XP, also for example 96Khz/32-bit can be played. However, I don't have any 32-bit music files, I just select it in foobar as output data format. And don't know, how to confirm it, if it is really 32-bit. The best would be to have some 32-bit music file, which I don't have.

 

Now to the bit-perfectness:

 

Under Windows 7, I've managed to WASAPI work under foobar without problems. However, there is still problem, without no 32-bit output format, and no higher sample rate, than 48 Khz. So best, what you can get in Windows 7, is 48Khz/24-bit. Which is very sad, for someone, who have 96Khz files. But it is also sad, because I remember, that 44,1 Khz files, that are upsampled to 88,2 Khz by Sox resample mod, sounded better (tested on NFB12.1, which I had before, and which I've sold to get NFB11.32)

 

Under Windows XP, I've found no way, how to make ASIO4all work. Still no success. So, it can be played only normaly. There is question, if it is bitperfect or no, without ASIO4all. Probably no, as foobar needs to send it to ASIO4all first, to make it bitperfect. But I've read something, that in Windows XP, mixer doesn't touch it, if volume is set at maximum level. But I don't know, how to confirm it, if it is bitperfect, without ASIO4all.

 

So right now, there is:

Eighter bitperfect under Windows 7, but only 48Khz/24 bit

or

non bitperfect under Windows XP, but up to 196Khz/32 bit.

 

It's difficult to say, which should get better results in sound quality, for typical 44,1 Khz 16-bit files. Eighter upsample it to 48Khz/24bit by sox mod, and play it bitperfect (Windows 7), or, upsample it to 88,2/96/196/32 bit by sox mod, but play it non-bitperfect, without ASIO4all (Windows XP). As I cannot compare it directly, from hastly made testing, I cannot say, which of the two, sounded better. However, I've read, that ASIO4all is not so good as it seems (it is mentioned on the page in foobar components, when you downloading asio4all foobar plugin:

Quote:
Please note that this component is meant for systems where ASIO is the only available output method. It is highly recommended to use the default output modes instead of ASIO. Contrary to popular "audiophile" claims, there are NO benefits from using ASIO as far as music playback quality is concerned, while bugs in ASIO drivers may severely degrade the performance.

http://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_out_asio

 

According this, it should mean, that Windows XP way should be better... that means, use only default sound, but upsample it to 96Khz/196Khz + 32-bit.

 

To the ASIO4all issue, it seems, that this is software/driver issue, where eighter Audio-gd drivers doesn't support ASIO4all, or ASIO4all driver cannot handle USB-32 interface, or maybe Sabre chip? Maybe, as it is pretty new. Anyway, it should be great, when ASIO4all would start to work with Audio-gd 32-bit interface, but what can be done in this issue, to push things forward? Contact ASIO4all? I don't know. Or, if it is Audio-gd driver problem, who to contact? Who is making this drivers?

 

Last, what are the other issues around NFB11.32, with Windows XP..

There is message, that this device is meant for HiSpeed USB, but it is plugged into Normal SPeed USB port. But it's not true, as I have it connected in HiSpeed USB port... NFB12.1 for example didn't have this kind of message. So it seems, like problem of driver, or what... or maybe Windows XP doesn't detect it well?

 

Now, when you are trying to play file, with ASIO4all, sound just lags, playing is freezed, etc... after it, you cannot get sound even from normal playing method, and Windows is very unstable. It can freeze, it cannot be shutted-down (nothing happens).. I need to restart it manualy. But after restart, there are more problems... my mouse driver, would not get loaded at all, and it also doesn't load Audio-gd driver. So another restart needs to be done... then it is working again. So for me, do not even try to play files by ASIO4all, or you get your Windows XP unstable. It just not work, and it's buggy.

 

Another problem, I've noticed, after start of computer, my BIOS is checking USB devices... and here, it will hold sometimes even for 10 seconds. When I don't have NFB11.32 connected, this is not happening, and this step of checking USB devices is always very quick.

 

So for me, it seems, drivers for this NFB11.32 are not very well made, or maybe firmware. Simply, this device doesn't communicate good with Windows, it seems pretty unstable and buggy. So you can except some kind of problems... which is very disapointing. To be honest, I am not happy yet with NFB11.32, as NFB12.1 with Tenor7022 worked flawlesly, without any bugs. Right now, I am very disapointed with NFB11.32 driver support. And it is very sad, because, the sound of this device is excelent, I am hearing, it is better, than NFB12.1, but what if it cannot be used properly???

 

I would be happy for any further findings, how to solve any of the issues, I've mentioned, and I would be even more happy, if this device would work without problems, stable, and also, support ASIO4all. Right now, I am sorry for changing NFB12.1 to NFB11.32. It was bad move, not worth the money differance, and I'm disapointed. I've expected, that NFB11.32 will work same, without problems, which is not the case. The potential increase of sound quality of NFB11.32 over NFB12.1, is totaly wasted, by bad driver support, no-bitperfect option in Windows XP, and no 32-bit format, or higher sample rates, under Windows 7, not to mention several detection problems with USB connections, that will make you feeling bad and not sure about this device.

The situation with coaxial connection may be better thought, but USB connection I see very risky right now. And that's sad, because strong point of USB.32 device should be USB.

 

 

Edit:

Now, I've got longer listening periods under Windows XP, and there is even new problem... from time to time, the sound just freeze. It happens from time to time, when tracks are changing. But right now, it happens in middle of track. First time, restarting of foobar helped, and it worked. But now, when it froze in middle of track, no track can be played... it's just frozen right after playing a song. I this case, I have feeling, that only restarting of computer will help, to make sound work again. The bad thing is, that under these conditions, device is unlistenable. You are listening music for 20 minutes, and suddenly... it freezes. In middle of musical. OH, it's like to be bashed by club on head. No way... for today, I am switching back to onboard audio. For now, it seems, NFB11.32 + Windows XP = no way. :-(

Tommorow, I will try, if this happens also in coaxial mode... but my coaxial output on motherboard quite sucks... I would say, it will have worse quality, that bitperfect USB transmition on NFB12.1. So basicaly, if I don't solve this issue, I've paid 120$ and waited 2 months, to get worse quality, than I had... I should go to hiface instead, silly me.

In this case, I would be forced to sell this device, and just thinking of it makes me burning inside... so I'm still hoping, I will get it somehow to work. :-(((((((((


Edited by Warrax - 10/30/12 at 7:10pm
post #147 of 1544

On both 11.32 and Compass 2 threads people massively discuss software issues with these devices.
Kingwa should dedicate more efforts for development of good stable software.

post #148 of 1544
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Originally Posted by justaguy View Post

On both 11.32 and Compass 2 threads people massively discuss software issues with these devices.
Kingwa should dedicate more efforts for development of good stable software.

Some users feedback replace the firmware No.3 can fix the matter if they had , and consider the firmware No 3 sound better.

Based on these feedback, we have shipping a firmware No.3 as spare part in the pack since 1th Oct.

And since 25th Oct. we have place the firmware No.3 in the gears as default.

post #149 of 1544
Thread Starter 

Well, just installed my NFB-11.32 to a W8 laptop and working flawlessly right now with Foobar (v1.1.16) wasapi event.  Still have to test the other renderers.  Don't know how many driver versions are now for the 11.32 but I'm on v.1 and all is good and sounding delicious with some Senns....

 

Wish I could say the same for my NFB-15.1 (TE8802)...lol....The TE8802 does not like W8...It plays lovely with XP, Vistax86 & x64 as well as W7.  Hopefully Kingwa will update the drivers for the TE8802.

 

Cheers!!!

 

 

1000

post #150 of 1544

Just to clarify and correct what Warrax says, my nfb-11.32 with firmware No.3 and driver 1.1 works perfectly in windows 7 at 16/24/32 bit and 44 - 192 Khz, and yes, 32 bits can be selected from the driver control panel and appear in windows 7 audio control panel also.

I tested it both with Foobar KS/Wasapi event (not push) and Winamp Maiko Wasapi.

Anyhow, while 352 and 384 Khz can still be selected from the driver control panel, they don't appear in the windows 7 audio control panel, and if I Sox to 352/384 in Foobar it doesn't work, only white noise and pops/clicks (while the driver 1.1 is claimed working with 352/384).  

So there is room for improving the driver to make it working in windows 7 with 352/384 Khz.

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