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Armstrong Was at Center of Doping Program, Agency Says

 

October 10, 2012 

 

 The United States Anti-Doping Agency said Wednesday that Lance Armstrong was at the center of the most sophisticated and professional doping program in recent sports history and that it would soon release details of its findings.

 

The agency said its dossier on Armstrong, the seven-time Tour de France winner and cancer survivor who denies ever doping, will include sworn testimony from 26 people, including nearly a dozen former teammates on the United States Postal Service team. Those Postal Service teammates have admitted their own doping and say that Armstrong doped, encouraged doping and administered doping products on the team, the agency said on Wednesday.

 

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The U.S.P.S. Team doping conspiracy was professionally designed to groom and pressure athletes to use dangerous drugs, to evade detection, to ensure its secrecy and ultimately gain an unfair competitive advantage through superior doping practices,” the agency said. “A program organized by individuals who thought they were above the rules and who still play a major and active role in sport today.”

 

The teammates who came forward and submitted sworn affidavits included George Hincapie, one of the most respected American riders in recent history, Levi Leipheimer and Tyler Hamilton — among the best cyclists of Armstrong’s generation.

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Their testimony is expected to be the most widespread effort to break the code of silence in cycling that has existed for decades and perpetuated the pervasive doping in the sport.

 

The evidence against Armstrong features financial payments, e-mails, scientific analyses and laboratory test results that show Armstrong was doping and was the kingpin of the doping conspiracy, the agency said. Several years of Armstrong’s blood values showed evidence of doping, said a person involved in the case who did not want his name used because the results have not been revealed yet.

 

 

 

From http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/sports/cycling/agency-details-doping-case-against-lance-armstrong.html?ref=sports&_r=0


Edited by JakeJack_2008 - 10/10/12 at 9:12am
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He is as guilty as you can be it should be clear for everyone except the most hardcore fans by now.

 

The conspiracy theories is even weaker then those against the moon walk :)

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During all that time, Armstrong was a hero on two wheels, a cancer survivor who was making his mark as perhaps the most dominant cyclist in history. But the evidence put forth by the antidoping agency drew a picture of Armstrong as an infamous cheat, a defiant liar and a bully who pushed others to cheat with him so he could succeed, or be vanquished.

 

 

From http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/sports/cycling/agency-details-doping-case-against-lance-armstrong.html?hp

 

 

 

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The Armstrong Doping Report

 October 10, 2012, 2:34 pm

 

 

The agency also made public a 202-page report summarizing its doping file on Mr. Armstrong, who denies ever using performance-enhancing drugs or blood-doping. The Lede is rounding up reaction and readers are encouraged to help us crowd-source the document by pointing to important details and new revelations. (Click the icon at the lower left of the document viewer to read the report in full-screen mode.) The Lede is rounding up reaction in a separate live-blog post.

 

 

 

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Armstrong was motivated by pure greed. Because he cheated he should have to repay the sponsors that he lied to and any prize money he earned. He is a liar and a coward who will not admit the truth, his denials are very similar to the denials from Sandusky and thats the lowest of the low. Shame on both of them and I hope they live long lonely lives.

 

 

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Link to The Armstrong Doping Report

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/the-armstrong-doping-report/

 

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I'm way less interested in who did or didn't dope 5/10/20 years ago, than I am about where the sport is going.  Once upon a time, everyone, or nearly everyone doped.  I just hope the sport cleans itself up.

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... referred to Armstrong as a "cancer in cycling".

 

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For much of the second phase of his career, Armstrong has faced persistent allegations of doping.[55] A number of high-profile cyclists and journalists have alleged that he cheated although Armstrong retains respect and prestige in some circles.[56]

Armstrong has been criticised for his disagreements with outspoken opponents of doping such as Paul Kimmage[57][58] and Christophe Bassons, the only cyclist in his team to come clean of drugs during the infamous Festina affair.[59][60] Bassons wrote a number of articles for a French newspaper during the 1999 Tour de France which made references to doping in the peloton. Subsequently, Armstrong had an altercation with Bassons during the 1999 Tour de France where Bassons said Armstrong rode up alongside on the Alpe d'Huez stage to tell him "it was a mistake to speak out the way I (Bassons) do and he (Armstrong) asked why I was doing it. I told him that I'm thinking of the next generation of riders. Then he said 'Why don't you leave, then?'"[61] Armstrong confirmed the story. On the main evening news on TF1, a national television station, Armstrong said: "His accusations aren't good for cycling, for his team, for me, for anybody. If he thinks cycling works like that, he's wrong and he would be better off going home".[62] Kimmage, a professional cyclist in the 1980s who later became a sports journalist, referred to Armstrong as a "cancer in cycling".[60] He also asked Armstrong questions in relation to his "admiration for dopers" at a press conference at the Tour of California in 2009, provoking a scathing reaction from Armstrong.[60] This spat continued and is exemplified by Kimmage's articles in The Sunday Times

 

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Armstrong#Allegations_of_doping

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They're comparing Armstrong to Sandusky? That's shameful and disgusting.
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Armstrong Is Dropped by Nike and Steps Down as Foundation Chairman

 

October 17, 2012

 

His career as a competitive athlete already in shambles from a doping scandal, Lance Armstrong fell further from grace Wednesday.

He announced he was stepping down as the chairman of Livestrong, his cancer foundation, and Nike, the sports brand most closely associated with his racing days, was among several companies severing ties with him.

 

Nike’s decision to abandon its deal with Armstrong was more curious because the company had stood by him for years as he fended off doping accusations. It publicly came to his defense only last week. Nike has a record of standing by athletes whose reputations have been damaged, Tiger Woods and Kobe Bryant among them, even as other sponsors shunned them. The company bet heavily on Armstrong years ago as he battled cancer, and it embraced him so wholly that it named a building after him on its campus in Beaverton, Ore.

 

 

Two weeks ago, before Usada released its report, Armstrong attended a Nike event in Portland and met Phil Knight, the company’s chairman.

 

But in a sign of how tattered Armstrong’s reputation has become, Nike all but accused him of hiding information from the company. “Due to the seemingly insurmountable evidence that Lance Armstrong participated in doping and misled Nike for more than a decade, it is with great sadness that we have terminated our contract with him,” the company said in a statement.

 

Nike does not condone the use of illegal performance enhancing drugs in any manner.”

 

Nike declined to discuss why it made such an abrupt about-face after a decade and a half of working with Armstrong. On Tuesday, the company called Armstrong’s longtime agent, Bill Stapleton, and told him it was ending its agreement with Armstrong, thought to be worth millions of dollars. The company did not leave room for negotiation.

 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/sports/cycling/lance-armstrong-dropped-by-nike-steps-down-as-chairman-of-his-charity.html

 

 

Compare to this.

 

 

 

 

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Backing, Not Backing Away From, Armstrong

 

August 24, 2012

 

Lance Armstrong dropped his fight against doping charges Thursday, which means he will be stripped of his seven Tour de France titles.

But his loyal sponsors are not stripping him of their support.

 

Nike stood by Armstrong, much as it stood by Tiger Woods after revelations about his extramarital affairs in late 2009.

Lance has stated his innocence and has been unwavering on this position,” said Mary Remuzzi, a Nike spokeswoman.

 

Anheuser-Busch InBev, for whom Armstrong has starred in Michelob Ultra commercials, said nothing would change in its relationship with him,

which began in 2009 with a three-year contract. “He has inspired millions with his athletic achievement and his commitment to helping cancer survivors and their families,” Paul Chibe, Anheuser-Busch’s vice president for United States marketing, said in a statement.

 

 

From http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25/sports/cycling/lance-armstrong-retains-support-of-nike-and-other-companies.html?_r=0

post #38 of 134
I believe that means another shoe is about to drop.
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What I don't understand, is with Lance being the most recognized cyclist of his time, and one of the most of all time, how they wouldn't find evidence in testing him.  Unless they were using some kind of unknown performance booster, it just doesn't make sense.  With 7 tour titles, he had to be under the highest scrutiny of anyone, and he was clean every time.  

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What I don't understand, is with Lance being the most recognized cyclist of his time, and one of the most of all time, how they wouldn't find evidence in testing him.  Unless they were using some kind of unknown performance booster, it just doesn't make sense.  With 7 tour titles, he had to be under the highest scrutiny of anyone, and he was clean every time.  

As previously discussed he did fail 2 tests, they were found to be thrown out/unreliable for whatever reason.

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Fair enough, but that's also 2 out of how many over 7 tour wins?  

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Fair enough, but that's also 2 out of how many over 7 tour wins?  

Fair question. Under the assumption that he did use, it's not known how often or how much he used. Maybe he only used once every

few tours (for whatever reasons).

 

I find it more pertinent again under the assumption that cycling has had a problem with steroids, why if everyone was using,

was he able to dominate. It's an even playing field. Just speculating here, but I'm under the opinion that over 50% of the cyclist were dirty

post #43 of 134

Exactly,  you can't turn a pony into a race horse with a few injections.  Armstrong is still a hell of an athlete, regardless of what he's being accused of, and giving credit to doping for all of his achievements is really the part that rubs me the wrong way...not so much whether he did dope or not.

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Exactly,  you can't turn a pony into a race horse with a few injections.  Armstrong is still a hell of an athlete, regardless of what he's being accused of, and giving credit to doping for all of his achievements is really the part that rubs me the wrong way...not so much whether he did dope or not.

Then again, you can argue he was nothing but innocent, yet he still dominated the field with other equally clean cyclist or, even the dirty one's.

 

It would be interesting to hear from some cyclist that were caught doping or even other athletes from different sports. Because then,

we might get a better idea of how a particular person can dope and dope for whatever length of time, without coming up dirty.

There's gotta be some insider trickery.


Edited by paradoxper - 10/18/12 at 6:56pm
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You can´t really argue him being innocent whatsoever... When he got his 40 % survival chance verdict for his cancer his doctor asked him in 1996 if he used doping. He answered he used steroids, epo, hormons, testosteron and more.

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