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post #106 of 134
Lots of people are going to make up things, and pile on to get attention now.
post #107 of 134

For those of you that want an in depth reading of what exactly is going on. I offer you guys these. They are VERY long reads

 

Defending Armstrong:

http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/yqer4/usada_to_ban_lance_armstrong_for_life_strip_tour/c5xzfwx

 

Rebuttal for above users post and how it is not accurate:

http://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comments/ytzwv/if_he_can_handle_the_psychological_pressure_he/c5yzpw4

 

It is up to you guys now to see what you believe in.

post #108 of 134

i heard he slept with strauss kahn in a sofitel during the tour de france. deadhorse.gif

 

famous people will always get dirty, most of the time that s nothing more than jalous people and dudes looking to become famous themselves.

armstrong will be crucified as an exemple and probably don't deserve all that s coming to him. but i never though he was clean to begin with. as i never though one could win the tour and be clean.

post #109 of 134
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

For those of you that want an in depth reading of what exactly is going on. I offer you guys these. They are VERY long reads

Defending Armstrong:
http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/yqer4/usada_to_ban_lance_armstrong_for_life_strip_tour/c5xzfwx

Rebuttal for above users post and how it is not accurate:
http://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comments/ytzwv/if_he_can_handle_the_psychological_pressure_he/c5yzpw4

It is up to you guys now to see what you believe in.

That rebuttal is weak as hell and didn't even address 1/3 of his comments. Hmmm... the first guy makes a good argument and I'm starting to smell a rat. Not that Lance is innocent, I don't believe that for a moment, but I do believe it's a witch hunt and they want to nail Armstrong no matter what. As I said before, there are very few cyclists in the top ranks who never doped, if any. If you're going to strip him, you should strip them all.
post #110 of 134
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UCI: Tour Winner List Stays Blank in Armstrong Era

October 26, 2012 at 11:21 AM ET

 

 

GENEVA (AP) — The International Cycling Union says the seven Tour de France titles stripped from Lance Armstrong for doping will not be awarded to any riders.

 

The UCI also says Armstrong and "all other affected riders" in the case should return their prize money.

 

Cycling's governing body also will "establish a fully independent external commission to look into the various allegations made about UCI relating to the Armstrong affair."

It has been accused of accepting $125,000 from Armstrong to cover up suspicious doping tests.

 

As well as leaving the Tour winner's list blank from 1999-2005, the UCI agreed "not to award victories to any other rider or upgrade other placings in any of the affected events."

 

 

  

From http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/10/26/sports/ap-cyc-uci-armstrong.html?_r=1&ref=sports

 

Will Lance Armstrong - the undisputed  Kingpin of doping in cycling - and other cheaters ever return the above mentioned money?


Edited by JakeJack_2008 - 10/26/12 at 9:29am
post #111 of 134

700

post #112 of 134
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Originally Posted by warubozu View Post

700

 

 

The best post!

 

 

Anyway, from http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/27/your-money/lance-armstrong-wealth-likely-to-withstand-doping-charges.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

 

 

Quote:

Armstrong’s Fortune Likely to Withstand Doping Charges

 

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In 2006, though, the company settled the suit and paid Mr. Armstrong $7.5 million, including interest and fees.

“There is no revisiting that,” Mr. Herman said. “If everyone who had settled a case finds out something later on and they want to renegotiate or relitigate, the system would break down. The point is, the agreement is unequivocal. There is no going back.”

 

Still, SCA said it intended to do just that. Jeffrey Dorough, SCA’s corporate counsel,

said the firm was sending a letter to Mr. Armstrong demanding that he return $12 million

the $7.5 million and an additional $4.5 million it paid for a previous victory.

 

It is inappropriate for him to keep any bonuses that were contingent on him being the champion of the Tour de France,” Mr. Dorough said.  “We’re hoping he’ll respond to our letter.” 

 

But there is one way the company could cause problems for Mr. Armstrong, and that is by deposing him as part of a lawsuit. “In any deposition,

if he would deny the usage of performance-enhancing drugs, he would open himself up to criminal prosecution for lying under oath,” said Andrew Stoltmann,

a lawyer in Chicago who has represented professional basketball, football and baseball players. “Prosecutors love high-profile obstruction of justice cases to serve as a deterrent for lying under oath.”

 

 

post #113 of 134
After Lance gives them the finger, do you think they'll throw a tantrum? He won't give that money back and they've already lost all their leverage.
post #114 of 134
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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

If you're going to strip him, you should strip them all.

I read that the second and third place riders from all the races Armstrong won had their positions nullified earlier, so the question becomes who gets the titles?
post #115 of 134

Nobody get the titles.

post #116 of 134
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Originally Posted by grokit View Post

I read that the second and third place riders from all the races Armstrong won had their positions nullified earlier, so the question becomes who gets the titles?

Yeah, they're going to remain vacant. Historically, it'll be marked as Armstrong but with a bunch of asterisks after his name, more than likely.
post #117 of 134
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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post


Yeah, they're going to remain vacant. Historically, it'll be marked as Armstrong but with a bunch of asterisks after his name, more than likely.

 

You're right. Nevertheles, seeing is believing.

 

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86 1999   Vacated[D]

 

 

87 2000   Vacated[D]

 

88 2001   Vacated[D]

 

89 2002   Vacated[D]

 

90 2003   Vacated[D]

 

91 2004   Vacated[D]

 

92 2005   Vacated[D]

 

...

 

D^ : Lance Armstrong originally won seven titles between 1999 and 2005, however he was stripped of these titles in October 2012 by the UCI due to being found guilty of doping violations by the USADA.[134] UCI has decided that officially will be no winner for those seven years.

 

From  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_de_france_winners#By_year

 

 

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See also 

 

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U.S. Postal Service Pro Cycling Team

 

 ...

 

 

In October 2012 USADA released a report saying that the team had ran "the most sophisticated, professionalised and successful doping programme the sport has ever seen". [3] The report contained affidavits from eleven riders on the team including Frankie Andreu, Tyler Hamilton, George Hincapie, Floyd Landis, Levi Leipheimer, and others, describing wide spread use of Erythropoietin (EPO), blood transfusion, testosterone, and other banned practices during the Tour de France and other races. They also implicated Lance Armstrong.[4] On October 22, 2012 the UCI upheld the USADA's recommendation to strip Armstrong of all results since August 1, 1998.[5]

 

....

 

 

 

2001-07-17 Stage 10, Tour de France  France Lance Armstrong
2001-07-18 Stage 11 (ITT), Tour de France  France Lance Armstrong
2001-07-01 Stage 13, Tour de France  France Lance Armstrong
2001-07-27 Stage 18 (ITT), Tour de France  France Lance Armstrong
2001-07-28 Overall, Tour de France Jersey yellow.svg  France Lance Armstrong

 

...

 

 

202-07-06 Prologue (ITT), Tour de France  France Lance Armstrong
2002-07-18 Stage 11, Tour de France  France Lance Armstrong
2002-07-18 Overall, Vuelta a Murcia  Spain Víctor Hugo Peña
2002-07-19 Stage 12, Tour de France  France Lance Armstrong
2002-07-27 Stage 19 (ITT), Tour de France  France Lance Armstrong
2002-07-28 Overall, Tour de France Jersey yellow.svg  France Lance Armstrong

 

...

 

 

2003-07-21 Stage 15, Tour de France  France Lance Armstrong
2003-07-27 Overall, Tour de France Jersey yellow.svg  France Lance Armstrong

 

...

 

 

2004-04-22 Stage 3, Tour de Georgia  United States Lance Armstrong
2004-04-23 Stage 4, Tour de Georgia  United States Lance Armstrong
2004-04-24 Overall, Tour de Georgia  United States Lance Armstrong
2004-07-07 Stage 4 (TTT), Tour de France  France U.S. Postal Service Pro Cycling Team
2004-07-17 Stage 13, Tour de France  France Lance Armstrong
2004-07-20 Stage 15, Tour de France  France Lance Armstrong
2004-07-21 Stage 16 (ITT), Tour de France  France Lance Armstrong
2004-07-22 Stage 17, Tour de France  France Lance Armstrong
2004-07-24 Stage 19 (ITT), Tour de France  France Lance Armstrong
2004-07-25 Overall, Tour de France Jersey yellow.svg  France Lance Armstrong

 

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Postal_cycling_team 

and

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Postal_cycling_team#2001_results

 


Edited by JakeJack_2008 - 10/28/12 at 5:54pm
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post #119 of 134

lol tbh

post #120 of 134

Sad to see him continue his lying spree. Clean since 2005? Yes right and it has nothing to do with possible loss of economic income :p

Nice crocodile tears though.

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