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By the way, the Tralucent Audio website says these are unavailable, is there some news? I don't want to bother Gavin (more than I already have), but someone else can ask if it's not already known.

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Kunlun, nice thoughts. I understand where you're coming from. The 1Plus2 appears to be pre-order & deliver although they seem to have improved production considerably from a few months back - as such wait time reduced by quite a bit.

Question, was your impressions from a demo tour or NYC meet? I had dinner with Musica Acoustics after the event & had a chat about you demoing the 1Plus2 at their booth.
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Thread Starter 

Nice impressions Kunlun. I'm not much for a high volume listener yet your points do make sense.
 

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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post

I've listened quite a bit to the Tralucent 1plus2. I'll start with the minor issues:

I'd say that sibilance is a small but definite issue that people should consider for this earphone, although it will be only a deal-breaker for a minority of users. For many, such as those who listen at low-volumes, it will not be an issue, but for people sensitive to it or who like to listen louder, and don't want fatigue, then other options could work better. The 5k spike can also throw off the realistic reproduction of instruments a bit at higher volumes.

Several people found the large soundstage a turn-off. I liked it a lot and I think many, if not most will, just something to consider to each one's taste.

There is definitely an effect where the lower mids can seem to drop out particularly in music where the dynamic driver is asked to pick up a bit (bass beat). Piano or solo cello music doesn't bring this effect out as much to me for a more even sound when listening to classical--and also low-volume listening tends to sound more even. When the dynamic driver is asked to work a bit at higher volumes, then the effect appears. Again, a consideration which may lead some to other choices. I didn't like the effect, but, of course, some people who like a bit a v-shape that separates the rhythmic bass instrument from the higher-pitched vocals and instruments that provide the melody will like it. Low-volume listeners may wonder what I'm talking about until they turn things up.

The bass is very good overall but one could quibble a little with a touch of mid-bass bloom. The timbre is good and equivalent to other high-end armature based customs but not absolute best, but this is nit-picking which I feel okay doing with an earphone of this price.

The large shell sticking out of the ears won't work for everyone and the original silver cable was ridiculously clumsy.

These are my critiques, relatively minor stuff that will shouldn't cause alarm, but fanboys sometimes get snippy (or go cray cray, if that's a person's disposition) over them, so I'll make the positives in a larger font to distract them:

Overall, the Tralucent 1plus2 is a well-done, high-end universal. The dynamic driver gives a real, moving-air bass energy lacking in armature-only designs, the mids and treble are clear. For low-volume listening and classical, the 1plus2 makes an excellent choice with a more even sound. A slight V-shaped sound comes out when music with a bass beat is called on at higher volumes and this makes for a fun listen with pop and rock. While not for everyone, the 1plus2 is a great choice for those looking for a high-end design which does a lot right with few missteps and competes with higher-end customs while maintaining the flexibility of a universal-fit design.

appreciate reading a balanced assessment like this one.
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

Kunlun, nice thoughts. I understand where you're coming from. The 1Plus2 appears to be pre-order & deliver although they seem to have improved production considerably from a few months back - as such wait time reduced by quite a bit.

Question, was your impressions from a demo tour or NYC meet? I had dinner with Musica Acoustics after the event & had a chat about you demoing the 1Plus2 at their booth.

Demo tour. I did listen at the NY meet for quite a few minutes, but the two weeks I had them on the tour is the basis for my comments.

 

Did we meet at the NY meet? If so, hello! I did meet Dimitri and he was quite nice. Dimitri and I had a chat about you at the meet!

 

Now all you and I have to do is have a chat about Dimitri and the circle is complete.


Edited by Kunlun - 6/16/13 at 9:12pm
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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post

Demo tour. I did listen at the NY meet for a few minutes, but the two weeks I had them on the tour is the basis for my comments.

Did we meet at the NY meet? If so, hello! I did meet Dimitri and he was quite nice.
No sadly we did not but my RDB+ 2v1 & Chris_Himself/HeadponeLounge cables made it there. Dimitri was impressed that you took the effort to listen to the 1Plus2 & asked if I knew you by name.

Glad you were part of the tour!
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

No, the H-200 doesn't come very close to the 1P2's stage. The sound stage size, combined with the clarity and recessed mids, gives a very nice holographic experience. The H-200 is closed in in comparison.

+1 on this

 

H200 is in the league of its own but will not come close to 1Plus2 ability to produce seamless 3D stage and analogue like fluidity, 1Plus2 has an excellent crossover frequence blending akin of expensive loudspeaker and it sounds so much natural that it frightens me.

 

i think every of them is a nice IEM but comparing them head to head makes little sense to me. i rather would read the comparison of 1Plus2 to ASG-2 or higher priced FitEars and similar. funnily for me 1Plus2 ticks so many boxes that i do not care much about comparing them because if music makes perfect sense through them why should i bother about competition?

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On sound characters, it's a lot to do with the synergy of the DAP, amp and earphones and is a collective result.  While we are talking about different impressions, apart from personal preferences, the harmony between the equipements would play a major part.

 

 I had a chance to audition 4 BA-based IEMs over last weekend.  The result was, I've found no satisfactory from any of them (same manufacturer) and two of them priced above the 1Plus2.  For the record, I was using Tera feeding directly to these IEMs.  

 

By no means that these IEMs are not better or not on par with 1Plus2, but the collective result, including myself, is not in the same level as the Tralucent [with Tera, to my ears].  They might be excellent partners to another combo but not in this case, however.  

 

Cheers

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Very good point flyme. Synergy is key as well and can make or break an IEM. The thing is not everyone believes in the concept of synergy and it having merit either although I think quite contrary to that notion.
 

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Very good point flyme. Synergy is key as well and can make or break an IEM. The thing is not everyone believes in the concept of synergy and it having merit either although I think quite contrary to that notion.
 

Then it has to leave it to personal experience...

 

Back in 1999, I bought a pair of Venture speakers and thought it's gonna be alright with my then powerful Krell KSA power amp.  To my surprise, the SQ was just fall short of terrible and the end result, to cut a long story short... the subsequent change to rectify the issue (with new pre-amp to power amp) that cost me over USD30k of investment to make the new system worked...this was my lesson of synergy my friend.

 

Cheers


Edited by flymetothemoon - 6/17/13 at 3:03am
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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post

 

I'd say that sibilance is a small but definite issue that people should consider for this earphone, although it will be only a deal-breaker for a minority of users. For many, such as those who listen at low-volumes, it will not be an issue, but for people sensitive to it or who like to listen louder, and don't want fatigue, then other options could work better. The 5k spike can also throw off the realistic reproduction of instruments a bit at higher volumes.

 

 

I don't want to come across as a fanboy here but I think it's important to note that any issues with sibilance are going to be user dependent, I'm typically very sensitive to any excessive or exaggerated sibilance, so based on some earlier user reports of sibilance issues with the 1plus2's I expected it to be an issue and a likely deal breaker for me as well but I had no issues with the demo tour pair of 1plus2's using Ts500 Comply tips.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post

 

There is definitely an effect where the lower mids can seem to drop out particularly in music where the dynamic driver is asked to pick up a bit (bass beat). Piano or solo cello music doesn't bring this effect out as much to me for a more even sound when listening to classical--and also low-volume listening tends to sound more even. When the dynamic driver is asked to work a bit at higher volumes, then the effect appears. Again, a consideration which may lead some to other choices. I didn't like the effect, but, of course, some people who like a bit a v-shape that separates the rhythmic bass instrument from the higher-pitched vocals and instruments that provide the melody will like it. Low-volume listeners may wonder what I'm talking about until they turn things up.

 

The bass is very good overall but one could quibble a little with a touch of mid-bass bloom. The timbre is good and equivalent to other high-end armature based customs but not absolute best, but this is nit-picking which I feel okay doing with an earphone of this price.

 

The large shell sticking out of the ears won't work for everyone and the original silver cable was ridiculously clumsy.

 

The bass is very good overall but one could quibble a little with a touch of mid-bass bloom. The timbre is good and equivalent to other high-end armature based customs but not absolute best, but this is nit-picking which I feel okay doing with an earphone of this price.

 

I would agree with the bolded text, the original silver cable is ridiculously clumsy, even for stationary use it's not all that great.

 

Based on that I assume your audition was with the original silver cable. I was fortunate enough to have Gavin send the new, more ergonomic silver/gold cable to try as well. In comparison it's much more ergonomic but not as flexible as something like the Magnus 1 cable. I suspect you'd probably like it better, with it I found the 1plus2 had a more even balance between the bass and mids, taking away some of that mid bass bloom but also losing some of the sub-bass. I posted some more detailed thoughts earlier in the thread if you're interested and Cravenz posted some in his review as well which pretty much mirrored my own. Both cables have their pro's and con's, I think which you like will be personal preference more so than one being clearly superior.

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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

My own take on the 1plus2:

...

 

Nice impressions, thanks :)

 

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Originally Posted by flymetothemoon View Post

 I had a chance to audition 4 BA-based IEMs over last weekend.  The result was, I've found no satisfactory from any of them (same manufacturer) and two of them priced above the 1Plus2.  For the record, I was using Tera feeding directly to these IEMs.  

 

By no means that these IEMs are not better or not on par with 1Plus2, but the collective result, including myself, is not in the same level as the Tralucent [with Tera, to my ears].  They might be excellent partners to another combo but not in this case, however.  

 

Unfortunately, the Tera Player is one of the most unsuitable sources one can choose for evaluation of BA-based IEMs, unless, of course, he/she wants to evaluate synergy with the Tera Player. I take it that you were specifically looking for that kind of synergy, but believe it's important to mention that BA-based IEMs are simply hit or miss with the Tera Player.

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Nice impressions, thanks :)

 

 

Unfortunately, the Tera Player is one of the most unsuitable sources one can choose for evaluation of BA-based IEMs, unless, of course, he/she wants to evaluate synergy with the Tera Player. I take it that you were specifically looking for that kind of synergy, but believe it's important to mention that BA-based IEMs are simply hit or miss with the Tera Player.

As TP is my only (although I have the Sony PCM D50 & iPhone 5, but not using them as my regular DAPs) sourse gear and thus, for me, I am looking for IEMs that could match best with TP, and I've found one...the 1Plus2.  

 

Totally agreed that someone who owns BA-based IEMs should looking for DAPs other than TP from my experience last weekend.

 

Cheers

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Originally Posted by flymetothemoon View Post

As TP is my only (although I have the Sony PCM D50 & iPhone 5, but not using them as my regular DAPs) sourse gear and thus, for me, I am looking for IEMs that could match best with TP, and I've found one...the 1Plus2.  

 

Totally agreed that someone who owns BA-based IEMs should looking for DAPs other than TP from my experience last weekend.

 

Cheers


Alhtough there are exceptions to the rule as well such as the SE5. I think lightning really likes how his 8As pair on the Tera as well? I'll be demoing it later this month so I'll post on how my IEMs pair :).

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Originally Posted by flymetothemoon View Post

Then it has to leave it to personal experience...

Back in 1999, I bought a pair of Venture speakers and thought it's gonna be alright with my then powerful Krell KSA power amp.  To my surprise, the SQ was just fall short of terrible and the end result, to cut a long story short... the subsequent change to rectify the issue (with new pre-amp to power amp) that cost me over USD30k of investment to make the new system worked...this was my lesson of synergy my friend.

Cheers

i am also a great believer of synergy equipment pairing. experience before that some react little while some react alot when u do equipments swapping, testing.
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