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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post


I requested a right angle on mine. I believe straight plug is standard.

 

Oh crap. I should have requested a right angled one on the one I'm going to listen to redface.gif

post #2297 of 5548
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Originally Posted by cravenz View Post

 

Oh crap. I should have requested a right angled one on the one I'm going to listen to redface.gif

Ok here goes a possibly stupid question, but I have some on order and can probably get a right angle plug. Why would I want one? What would be the advantage?

 

I will mainly be using these with my Colorfly C4...

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Originally Posted by Vespertine View Post

Ok here goes a possibly stupid question, but I have some on order and can probably get a right angle plug. Why would I want one? What would be the advantage?

 

I will mainly be using these with my Colorfly C4...

 

Just my preference really re: form factor. I have it in my pocket so in the event that I bend down, I might be putting strain on a cable that is straight up. Whereas if I had a right angle cable, the cable would go straight out of my pocket without any interference. So now when I bend down, I have to take out my phone first, for example. I use a Note 2 which exacerbates the problem. 

 

P.S. I have the new cables with me already. Much much better form factor, microphonics are still there, but the detail retrieval on this hit a new high. And this is coming from someone who isn't a cable believer. I'll add in more thoughts later. 


Edited by cravenz - 5/11/13 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by cravenz View Post

 

Just my preference really re: form factor. I have it in my pocket so in the event that I bend down, I might be putting strain on a cable that is straight up. Whereas if I had a right angle cable, the cable would go straight out of my pocket without any interference. So now when I bend down, I have to take out my phone first, for example. I use a Note 2 which exacerbates the problem. 

 

P.S. I have the new cables with me already. Much much better form factor, microphonics are still there, but the detail retrieval on this hit a new high. And this is coming from someone who isn't a cable believer. I'll add in more thoughts later. 

Thanks for explaining. You are right a right angle plug would be more practical for me also, I have emailed Gavin to see whether it is too late or whether I can get one on my order. I presume that I won't lose any sound quality. Perhaps that is a ridiculous thing to say ?

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Originally Posted by Vespertine View Post

Thanks for explaining. You are right a right angle plug would be more practical for me also, I have emailed Gavin to see whether it is too late or whether I can get one on my order. I presume that I won't lose any sound quality. Perhaps that is a ridiculous thing to say ?

 

You'd be correct. There shouldn't be any issue. I have the straight up version now so can't change really. There'd be too much back and forth and I've troubled Gavin enough as is. 

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Originally Posted by ariesq View Post

I've only owned the Silver/Gold cable. I haven't really sat down and spent time to compare the cables back to back. I'm a little worried about loosening the sockets so I've avoided swapping cables too often. I didn't hear a big enough difference to warrant going back to the 1p2 cable. Maybe I'm just not a critical listener.

 

Overall, ergonomics of the DHC cable is a lot better. Less microphonic, more comfortable without memory wire.

I re-tract my last statement. The difference wasn't noticed until I listened the DHC cable for hours then immediately switched back to the 1plus2 silver/gold. I'm not good with descriptive comparisons but I can definitely tell the 1plus2 cable adds a lot more clarity compared to the DHC.

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Originally Posted by ariesq View Post

I re-tract my last statement. The difference wasn't noticed until I listened the DHC cable for hours then immediately switched back to the 1plus2 silver/gold. I'm not good with descriptive comparisons but I can definitely tell the 1plus2 cable adds a lot more clarity compared to the DHC.


Yes ariesq I tend to completely familiarize myself with the sound signature from one cable and then switch which makes it very apparent then. Then at that point I'm able to make the comparisons on the differences I hear. I'm able to do quick switches as well but I find it much easier to get familiar with a specific sound and on tracks that I know very well. It's pretty interesting the refinements cables can bring. I was also a skeptic myself but I went into it with an open mind opposed to my own bias tricking me into not hearing a difference.

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Originally Posted by cravenz View Post

 

You'd be correct. There shouldn't be any issue. I have the straight up version now so can't change really. There'd be too much back and forth and I've troubled Gavin enough as is. 

Thanks so much for prompting me on this, I have been back and forth with Gavin (troubling him with my ignorance) and we have decided on am Oyaide 90 Degree plug. I also learned that my 6.3 socket should be used with an adapter from my Colorlfy instead of the 3.5, apparently the difference is noticeable. I think that Colorfly themselves posted something about this not too long ago, but I didn't pay enough attention.

 

I wonder how my Ultrasone IQ9's will sound out of that socket, as basically I have been moaning about the exact word that Gavin used to describe the output from the 3.5 socket "Anemic" 

 

Don't have the specs to hand, but I do believe that the IQ9 is also a hybrid, using a dynamic driver for the bass, so perhaps the config is comparable.

 

Anyway, thanks a lot for the prompt, I find that the Colorfly's size means that it goes into my pocket, just, and reducing length of the plug will be a lot better for ergonomics in general.

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Originally Posted by Vespertine View Post

Thanks so much for prompting me on this, I have been back and forth with Gavin (troubling him with my ignorance) and we have decided on am Oyaide 90 Degree plug. I also learned that my 6.3 socket should be used with an adapter from my Colorlfy instead of the 3.5, apparently the difference is noticeable. I think that Colorfly themselves posted something about this not too long ago, but I didn't pay enough attention.

 

I wonder how my Ultrasone IQ9's will sound out of that socket, as basically I have been moaning about the exact word that Gavin used to describe the output from the 3.5 socket "Anemic" 

 

Don't have the specs to hand, but I do believe that the IQ9 is also a hybrid, using a dynamic driver for the bass, so perhaps the config is comparable.

 

Anyway, thanks a lot for the prompt, I find that the Colorfly's size means that it goes into my pocket, just, and reducing length of the plug will be a lot better for ergonomics in general.

 

No worries. All the best with it! 

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I just got the Twag version 3 and did a comparison with gold/silver. In a very brief comparison, the gold/silver brought out more clarity, it was obvious on the first try, I don't even need to strain my ear power to hear it. That silver/gold cable is really good at $100. Also bass has more texture in silver/gold cable. The TWAG is less microphonic. I love the design of the TWAG cable more, the color and flexibility is really good for travelling. But for purely SQ, the gold/silver is the winner (for now).

 

Edit:  TWAG 3 cable has a little more warmth thus giving the impression that it has slightly more bass. So in short, a little reduce in clarity, brought in some warmth and the Tralucent can afford that as it has plenty of treble energy (as much or even more than AKG3003i at times).


Edited by Audiowood - 5/13/13 at 4:55pm
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Originally Posted by Audiowood View Post

I just got the Twag version 3 and did a comparison with gold/silver. In a very brief comparison, the gold/silver brought out more clarity, it was obvious on the first try, I don't even need to strain my ear power to hear it. That silver/gold cable is really good at $100. Also bass has more texture in silver/gold cable. The TWAG is less microphonic. I love the design of the TWAG cable more, the color and flexibility is really good for travelling. But for purely SQ, the gold/silver is the winner (for now).

Edit:  TWAG 3 cable has a little more warmth thus giving the impression that it has slightly more bass. So in short, a little reduce in clarity, brought in some warmth and the Tralucent can afford that as it has plenty of treble energy (as much or even more than AKG3003i at times).

That would be the same result with the newer cable as well re: gold silver combination compared with the Tralucent stock silver cable.
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Originally Posted by Audiowood View Post

I just got the Twag version 3 and did a comparison with gold/silver. In a very brief comparison, the gold/silver brought out more clarity, it was obvious on the first try, I don't even need to strain my ear power to hear it. That silver/gold cable is really good at $100. Also bass has more texture in silver/gold cable. The TWAG is less microphonic. I love the design of the TWAG cable more, the color and flexibility is really good for travelling. But for purely SQ, the gold/silver is the winner (for now).

Edit:  TWAG 3 cable has a little more warmth thus giving the impression that it has slightly more bass. So in short, a little reduce in clarity, brought in some warmth and the Tralucent can afford that as it has plenty of treble energy (as much or even more than AKG3003i at times).

I Think the Gold / Silver cable First Edition cost about 650 USD , if you swap from Silver to Gold Silver cable you top Up Only 100 USD .

Now come Out the new Edition Gold / Silver cable for 750 USD

I am waiting for My UBER cable In balance for iem and balance rsa to rsa biggrin.gif
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I have been using the 1plus2 together with the new AK120 for the past couple of days, and I must say the synergy between these two could possibly be the best. The soundstage of the 1plus2 is expansive and when combined with the forward and intimate vocal on the AK120, it really is the perfect pair. I think the 1plus2 really compliments the new AK120 really nicely and brings out its full potential. I am using it with the Gold/Silver cable.


Edited by djyeo - 5/15/13 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by djyeo View Post

I have been using the 1plus2 together with the new AK120 for the past couple of days, and I must the synergy between these two could possibly be the best. I think the 1plus2 really compliments the new AK120 and brings out its full potential. I am using it with the Gold/Silver cable.


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Background and Notes


I've been involved with audio and headphones for quite a few years now. I've had a few decent full-sized setups but I've found I really love IEM's. To that end I tried going the high-end customs route with JH13Pro's but partly due to persistent fit issues and partly due to a problem with my left ear related to TMJ I finally had to give up and take a pretty big loss selling them. So, while I can't do customs I've been on the lookout for an elusive "one to rule them all" universal.


It's been quite awhile since I first signed up for the 1Plus2 demo tour. I'll admit, at times during the lull between revisions I almost forgot about the tour, then as impressions of the new version rolled in I prepared myself to be disappointed. On one hand the reports of excessive sibilance and other treble issues had me worried as that's usually a deal breaker for me. On the other hand if I were to fall in love the price increase on the new version pushes them out of my comfort zone. After a couple of weeks with them in my ears it looks like I'm worrying about the latter, not the former though.


As I noted in a previous post, I can't tolerate silicone tips for very long so after a bit of experimenting with a few foam types I quickly settled on the Comply Ts500's.


I'd also like to note, I've only had this demo pair a couple of weeks so these are impressions only, they're not meant to be a formal or definitive review as my views could change given a longer term with them. That said if I do have the opportunity to spend more time with a pair I'll update as I see necessary.


Sound


How do I describe the 1Plus2 in one word? Expansive. This is an IEM that redefines my preconceived notions of IEM staging. It doesn't quite achieve open headphone proportions but it does push the boundaries further out of the head than I've previously heard from an IEM. Not only is there more depth and width, but there's greater height with larger instruments and vocals. There's more definition in placement both side to side and front to back, everything is given more space to breathe and it's achieved in a very coherent manner.


Of course an expansive stage would be for naught if the rest of the sound of the 1Plus2 didn't measure up. Based on some of the previous reviews I had the expectation of something extremely analytical like the Tzar 350 but with bigger bass. Instead I was presented with a smooth, slightly warm and dark sound. It's a meaty, fleshed out sound that has a rather intimate nature despite it's staging abilities or maybe it's because of those staging abilities that one becomes more immersed giving it a more intimate feel.


Overall I find the sound fairly well balanced for my preferences. Bass isn't the fastest or tightest yet it has excellent weight with wonderful, full-bodied tone and texture. It's big and authoritative when called upon yet capable of showing great detail and subtly, all without overpowering the rest of the spectrum.


I would say the midrange is just slightly set back, again very nice tone, texture and detail that sounds a little lean in comparison to the bass but not really lean when taken on it's own. Both male and female vocals sound natural without any congestion or nasally qualities and piano sounds balanced from top to bottom.


Treble is balanced without any obvious peaks or dips and sibilance is well controlled without any exaggeration. The treble does seem to lack just an ounce of sparkle and air but it's minor and I'd rather it be a little on the smooth and warm side than being overly aggressive like I initially feared. That begs the question though, typically if others have issues with excessive sibilance in a headphone I'll hear it as well but that hasn't been the case with the 1Plus2's, is it the Comply tips making the difference, burn-in, a difference in physiology, or something else?


Detail retrieval is an interesting case. Initially they didn't seem quite as detailed as other IEM's I've heard but after spending some time with them I've come to think of them as one of the best I've heard, they just go about it differently. They don't rely on excessive treble to push an illusion of added detail and it's not pushed at you all at the same level. It's all there but in proper context with the rest of the picture. It feels more natural and relaxed yet I don't feel like I'm missing out.


One of the things that's really struck me about the 1Plus2 and made it the top contender for my "one to rule them all" is it's ability to sound great with just about everything I've thrown at them. There's no anomalies that makes particular recordings sound band or make that would make them genre specific.  In fact, the 1Plus2's meaty sound has breathed new life into some older, thin sounding recordings I had pretty much written off.


Ergonomics and Cables


After almost two weeks with the 1Plus2's I'm starting to get the knack of inserting them but the stock cable that came with the demo pair is still proving to be an ergonomic nightmare. Even just sitting at my computer listening the neck cinch will back off causing the cables to loosen so they no longer sit behind my ears but on top. Gavin noted my initial misgivings with the cable and sent me the new silver/gold cable to try which I just received today. This new cable is dramatically better than the stock cable, it's thinner, lighter, more flexible and there's a much better memory wire scheme with a neck cinch that stays secure.


As for differences in how the two sound? Again, I didn't want to get into too much swapping back and forth for fear of wearing the sockets and I've only had the two for the evening that I've been sitting here writing this, but my intial impression is the new cable is clearer, more defined and details shine through a little more. Bass is tighter and faster giving it a leaner quality that better integrates with midrange. Treble also feels like it's more extended with more air and sparkle. But it's a trade off, the stock cable on the other hand sounds fuller and smoother, with more weight and intimacy. I do miss those qualities of the stock cable but the trade off in ergonomics and the other sonic advantages more than outwiegh what's lost.


Conclusion


As an IEM lover, soundstage has never been a high priority so it feels odd to be extolling the virtues of an IEM's staging abilities, but there it is, that's probably the biggest factor of what sets the 1Plus2 apart from the rest of the pack for me. It was never much of concern of mine but now other IEM's feel claustrophobic by comparison. Of course the 1Plus2 is no one trick pony, it's also very nicely balanced, with great tonality and detail and it does an admirable job with any recording I throw at it. Ergonomically it's a bit awkward and wind noise when out and about is worrisome, but the new silver/gold cable helps tremendously with the ergonomics. The differences between the cables I've tried also suggests a level of fine tuning is possible not only with tips but cables as well.


Last but not least, I'd like to give a big thank you to Gavin for sending out these demo pairs on tour, this is a wonderful opportunity to audition a product we might not otherwise have the chance to hear. I have thoroughly enjoyed our dealings and from our conversations and his involvement on the forums it's obvious how passionate he is about music and audio. A good number of manufacturers could take a page from his book and learn a few things.


Edited by elnero - 5/31/13 at 2:16am
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