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post #1531 of 5603

Do you guys have any comfort issues with the over the ear cable?

 

For the right side, the cable goes right around the ear and is very comfortable, but the left side cable doesn't go perfectly around the ear (the cable sits more towards the middle top of my ear). I've adjusted the memory wire without much success.

 

Anyone have experience with ear guides for IEM?

 

I'm not even sure if these guides can hold the 1plus2's cable due to how thick it is.

 

http://www.audeoworld.com/en/US/Products/Parts/Siliconeearguides.htm

http://v-moda.com/sport-earhooks/

post #1532 of 5603
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Originally Posted by burtomr View Post

 

Anak, Do you ever get to the US or do you have Radio Shacks in Japan? If so, they sell a very nice Silicone tip similar to SONY Hybrids BUT with a large straight thru nozzle (no constriction at the tip):

 

 

AUVIO Silicone Replace Tips

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

400

 

 

 

 

Cost $5, come in S, M, L

 

Has (2) different densities of silicone - harder for the nozzle, soft for the ear bulb. Also, they are offset 1/8" toward the ear compared to all the other stock tips I have ever seen so they fit a bit deeper into your ears. Very comfortable, very long lasting (like years literally).

 

Sadly I hardly go to the States & there's no Radio Shack in Japan. The headphone stores here do stock the big brands. I may need to ask if there's anyway of trying before buying - yep, I know kinda yucky but afterall they have demo earphones laid out, why not have demo tips.

post #1533 of 5603

1Plus2 Impressions Update With The Silver/Gold Cable

 

I managed to get my hands on a pair of sliver/gold cables today and can compare the silver & silver/gold side-by-side - well can't A/B immediately since I only have 1 pair of 1Plus2's.

 

 

Let's get the quick summary out of the way, then delve in a little bit into the details.

 

So I find the silver/gold still somewhat sibilant but different and in a way more acceptable. The reason is that the silver/gold (as previously mentioned by others here) alter the sonics of the IEM quite differently. Is it noticeable? Yes quite so - although I never was a skeptic on cables causing sonic changes, trying these two silver vs sliver/gold cables merely confirms my beliefs.

 

A few noted comments others have made about the silver/gold is that it's warmer, slightly smaller soundstage, not so sibilant, etc. I'd agree with most of them but I may describe my thoughts somewhat slightly differently.

 

Frequency Response

 

As with others, I'm finding that the upper bass or lower mids are filled more which makes it nicer for vocals. Others have said that it's more TG!334-like. Although I won't say that they're (the 1Plus2 and TG!334) alike but with the silver/gold cable, the signature starts to sway more towards that TG!334/XBA-3 direction.

 

Whilst with the silver cable, I described quite a bit of sibilance, I didn't really put down too much detail but (and here's where I may start pulling numbers out of thin air), around the XkHz and above, the trebles start to sound quite forward. Whilst with the silver/gold cable, it's more around the upper trebles of YYkHz that starts to exhibit sibilance.

 

As such I find I have less sibilance issues with the silver/gold than I did with the pure silver cable. There's more about sibilance later.

 

Soundstage and Imaging

 

Others have noted that with the silver/gold cable the soundstage is less. In the short time I've had with the silver/gold, I'd say that the apparent soundstage does sound somewhat narrower. But this isn't bad - where I found the silver to be unrealistically wide, If find the silver/gold to be more realistic. In general though with other headphones/earphones I've tried, I've noticed that with more pronounced U or V-shaped signatures, the apparent soundstage sounds wider than those headphones/earphones with a more forward midrange.

 

On the other hand, a more prominent midrange doesn't always necessarily mean deeper imaging but well made IEMs with rich mids (coupled with rich bass) do seem to exhibit a deeper imaging. I find that the 1Plus2 with the silver/gold cable to have a deeper imaging naturally.

 

Now back to the sibilance topic again, with the silver cable the soundstage was unnaturally vast and at least to my ears seem to start earlier on in the treble frequencies. As such the sibilance on the silver cable seems to me to be "all around" which is probably where I had a problem with. On the other hand with the silver/gold cable, as mentioned above the apparent soundstage seems narrower (and more realistic), and the treble forwardness seems to start later in the upper treble region - therefore the sibilance seem to be more focused rather than "all around". I actually feel there's more room for other instruments to breath, and therefore doesn't feel overshadowed by the sibilance.

 

This inadvertently seem to imply that instrument separation seems to be more distinct with the silver/gold cable.

 

Detail

 

I can't remember if I read somewhere that the silver/gold has less detail. If someone did say that, I'd have to say that my ears disagree. The details and micro-details aren't as obvious smacked right in front of your face, but it's there in a more subtle form that you'd hear more naturally. This is something I learnt through my ownership of the TG!334, TH-900, and SR-009, and as such appreciate in the silver/gold cable more so than the silver.

 

Conclusion

 

As such, I actually find the silver/gold cables of the 1Plus2 to be more agreeable to my ears. Though the upper treble region forwardness is still there, most of my music genre don't venture that far (at least excessively).

 

Does this mean there's no room for the silver cable for my 1Plus2? Well, not entirely....the silver cable is quite useful in determining the quality of a rip or mastering of a CD/SACD. However, that's more critique rather than listening for enjoyment.

post #1534 of 5603

JMO, but you should really be qualifying your impressions with how many hours are on the respective cables...for example, silver cables are regarded in some circles to need 500+hrs to fully settle down...

 

i've got ~400hrs on mine and they have simmered down considerably over that time....to the point now were i'm questioning my desire/need/want for a copper or silver copper cable....

post #1535 of 5603

1Plus2 matches copper cable better than silver cable IMO, YMMV. The silver one is the cleanest sounding cable comparing to other cables, but the sibilance might be there.. my two cents.tongue_smile.gif

post #1536 of 5603
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Originally Posted by xinghui0711 View Post

1Plus2 matches copper cable better than silver cable IMO, YMMV. The silver one is the cleanest sounding cable comparing to other cables, but the sibilance might be there.. my two cents.tongue_smile.gif

And by copper are you referring to the silver/gold cable that Tralucent offers? Or another cable?
post #1537 of 5603
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Originally Posted by ariesq View Post

And by copper are you referring to the silver/gold cable that Tralucent offers? Or another cable?

I've never heard of a copper cable for 1plus2...
post #1538 of 5603
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ariesq View Post

Is everyone using the ortofon tips? I do like them, but curious if anyone found any better tips for their 1plus2.


Nope they don't work at all. No seal for me. I'm using large V-mod bass tips from amazon. They works wonders and I think are a similar material to the orthofons just a bigger bore to match that of the 1Plus2s. So it's not funneling the sound or compressing the sound stage any. :)

 

I was only able to find large and medium on amazon. I also like the large JVC tips from ebay but they tend to bring the bass a little too high up for my tastes now lol. I'll provide links below

 

http://www.amazon.com/Clear-Replacement-Silicone-V-MODA-V-moda/dp/B002X866S2/ref=sr_1_sc_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1359680370&sr=8-3-spell&keywords=v-moda+bass+tiops

 

http://www.amazon.com/Medium-Replacement-Silicone-V-MODA-V-moda/dp/B003J5GGO2/ref=pd_bxgy_misc_img_y

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/V-MODA-Vibe-II-Duo-Sport-BASS-FREQ-in-ear-headphone-buds-tips-gels-S-M-L-CLEAR-/271029963651?pt=UK_MP3_Players_Accessories_Cases_Covers_Skins&hash=item3f1aa50b83

 

JVC tips: (I recommend the black ones as I know those are the exact same ones I use to order from amazon, not so sure about the other colors).

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Compatible-With-JVC-Replacement-Gel-Tips-Various-Colours-x-6-Pieces-/350698501877?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var&hash=item51a74276f5&_uhb=1

 

post #1539 of 5603
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


Nope they don't work at all. No seal for me. I'm using large V-mod bass tips from amazon. They works wonders and I think are a similar material to the orthofons just a bigger bore to match that of the 1Plus2s. So it's not funneling the sound or compressing the sound stage any. smily_headphones1.gif

I was only able to find large and medium on amazon. I also like the large JVC tips from ebay but they tend to bring the bass a little too high up for my tastes now lol. I'll provide links below

http://www.amazon.com/Clear-Replacement-Silicone-V-MODA-V-moda/dp/B002X866S2/ref=sr_1_sc_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1359680370&sr=8-3-spell&keywords=v-moda+bass+tiops

http://www.amazon.com/Medium-Replacement-Silicone-V-MODA-V-moda/dp/B003J5GGO2/ref=pd_bxgy_misc_img_y

http://www.ebay.com/itm/V-MODA-Vibe-II-Duo-Sport-BASS-FREQ-in-ear-headphone-buds-tips-gels-S-M-L-CLEAR-/271029963651?pt=UK_MP3_Players_Accessories_Cases_Covers_Skins&hash=item3f1aa50b83

JVC tips: (I recommend the black ones as I know those are the exact same ones I use to order from amazon, not so sure about the other colors).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Compatible-With-JVC-Replacement-Gel-Tips-Various-Colours-x-6-Pieces-/350698501877?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var&hash=item51a74276f5&_uhb=1

Honestly I like the ortofon tips though they run kind of small as I use med for most but with ortofon I use large smily_headphones1.gif
post #1540 of 5603
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ariesq View Post


And by copper are you referring to the silver/gold cable that Tralucent offers? Or another cable?


No he's just talking about using a normal copper cable on it. IMO it wouldn't do these IEMs justice. You'll hinder the sonics by doing so but if that is what you're after :). I'd think it would be more on the dull and warmer side of things. The silver and gold cable is not the copper cable.

post #1541 of 5603
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by VisceriousZERO View Post


Honestly I like the ortofon tips though they run kind of small as I use med for most but with ortofon I use large smily_headphones1.gif


You never know those V-moda bass medium or even large may sound even better ;). I think they sound amazing with them. Personally I would think using a tip that will funnel the sound into a smaller tube can create sibilance and treble spikes. I've experienced this before using Sony Hybrid tips. Not saying that is a guarantee but it is something to keep in mind. Could be why some of you mention sibilance issues when I really don't have them in general. Even on the silver cable....


Edited by lee730 - 1/31/13 at 5:10pm
post #1542 of 5603
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


No he's just talking about using a normal copper cable on it. IMO it wouldn't do these IEMs justice. You'll hinder the sonics by doing so but if that is what you're after smily_headphones1.gif. I'd think it would be more on the dull and warmer side of things. The silver and gold cable is not the copper cable.

After ABing copper interconnects vs silver with soullinker one day we noted more sibilance with the HD800 on copper than silver.

With the 1plus2... No idea, there's no copper cable! XD
post #1543 of 5603
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by VisceriousZERO View Post


After ABing copper interconnects vs silver with soullinker one day we noted more sibilance with the HD800 on copper than silver.

With the 1plus2... No idea, there's no copper cable! XD


Strange.... I normally wouldn't associate those issues with copper lol. For me at least when I've used copper with my setups it makes things warmer. Makes vocals thicker. More of a natural sound.

post #1544 of 5603
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


Nope they don't work at all. No seal for me. I'm using large V-mod bass tips from amazon. They works wonders and I think are a similar material to the orthofons just a bigger bore to match that of the 1Plus2s. So it's not funneling the sound or compressing the sound stage any. smily_headphones1.gif

I was only able to find large and medium on amazon. I also like the large JVC tips from ebay but they tend to bring the bass a little too high up for my tastes now lol. I'll provide links below

http://www.amazon.com/Clear-Replacement-Silicone-V-MODA-V-moda/dp/B002X866S2/ref=sr_1_sc_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1359680370&sr=8-3-spell&keywords=v-moda+bass+tiops

http://www.amazon.com/Medium-Replacement-Silicone-V-MODA-V-moda/dp/B003J5GGO2/ref=pd_bxgy_misc_img_y

http://www.ebay.com/itm/V-MODA-Vibe-II-Duo-Sport-BASS-FREQ-in-ear-headphone-buds-tips-gels-S-M-L-CLEAR-/271029963651?pt=UK_MP3_Players_Accessories_Cases_Covers_Skins&hash=item3f1aa50b83

JVC tips: (I recommend the black ones as I know those are the exact same ones I use to order from amazon, not so sure about the other colors).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Compatible-With-JVC-Replacement-Gel-Tips-Various-Colours-x-6-Pieces-/350698501877?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var&hash=item51a74276f5&_uhb=1


Thanks Lee. I'll order them and compare.
post #1545 of 5603
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

1Plus2 Impressions Update With The Silver/Gold Cable

 

I managed to get my hands on a pair of sliver/gold cables today and can compare the silver & silver/gold side-by-side - well can't A/B immediately since I only have 1 pair of 1Plus2's.

 

 

Let's get the quick summary out of the way, then delve in a little bit into the details.

 

So I find the silver/gold still somewhat sibilant but different and in a way more acceptable. The reason is that the silver/gold (as previously mentioned by others here) alter the sonics of the IEM quite differently. Is it noticeable? Yes quite so - although I never was a skeptic on cables causing sonic changes, trying these two silver vs sliver/gold cables merely confirms my beliefs.

 

A few noted comments others have made about the silver/gold is that it's warmer, slightly smaller soundstage, not so sibilant, etc. I'd agree with most of them but I may describe my thoughts somewhat slightly differently.

 

Frequency Response

 

As with others, I'm finding that the upper bass or lower mids are filled more which makes it nicer for vocals. Others have said that it's more TG!334-like. Although I won't say that they're (the 1Plus2 and TG!334) alike but with the silver/gold cable, the signature starts to sway more towards that TG!334/XBA-3 direction.

 

Whilst with the silver cable, I described quite a bit of sibilance, I didn't really put down too much detail but (and here's where I may start pulling numbers out of thin air), around the XkHz and above, the trebles start to sound quite forward. Whilst with the silver/gold cable, it's more around the upper trebles of YYkHz that starts to exhibit sibilance.

 

As such I find I have less sibilance issues with the silver/gold than I did with the pure silver cable. There's more about sibilance later.

 

Soundstage and Imaging

 

Others have noted that with the silver/gold cable the soundstage is less. In the short time I've had with the silver/gold, I'd say that the apparent soundstage does sound somewhat narrower. But this isn't bad - where I found the silver to be unrealistically wide, If find the silver/gold to be more realistic. In general though with other headphones/earphones I've tried, I've noticed that with more pronounced U or V-shaped signatures, the apparent soundstage sounds wider than those headphones/earphones with a more forward midrange.

 

On the other hand, a more prominent midrange doesn't always necessarily mean deeper imaging but well made IEMs with rich mids (coupled with rich bass) do seem to exhibit a deeper imaging. I find that the 1Plus2 with the silver/gold cable to have a deeper imaging naturally.

 

Now back to the sibilance topic again, with the silver cable the soundstage was unnaturally vast and at least to my ears seem to start earlier on in the treble frequencies. As such the sibilance on the silver cable seems to me to be "all around" which is probably where I had a problem with. On the other hand with the silver/gold cable, as mentioned above the apparent soundstage seems narrower (and more realistic), and the treble forwardness seems to start later in the upper treble region - therefore the sibilance seem to be more focused rather than "all around". I actually feel there's more room for other instruments to breath, and therefore doesn't feel overshadowed by the sibilance.

 

This inadvertently seem to imply that instrument separation seems to be more distinct with the silver/gold cable.

 

Detail

 

I can't remember if I read somewhere that the silver/gold has less detail. If someone did say that, I'd have to say that my ears disagree. The details and micro-details aren't as obvious smacked right in front of your face, but it's there in a more subtle form that you'd hear more naturally. This is something I learnt through my ownership of the TG!334, TH-900, and SR-009, and as such appreciate in the silver/gold cable more so than the silver.

 

Conclusion

 

As such, I actually find the silver/gold cables of the 1Plus2 to be more agreeable to my ears. Though the upper treble region forwardness is still there, most of my music genre don't venture that far (at least excessively).

 

Does this mean there's no room for the silver cable for my 1Plus2? Well, not entirely....the silver cable is quite useful in determining the quality of a rip or mastering of a CD/SACD. However, that's more critique rather than listening for enjoyment.

 

 

I personally feel the wide and airy sound stage on the silver cable is quite nice. I love the more out of head feel of this. I guess for me it feels more realistic than a more intimate presentation as I can close my eyes and picture the band on stage in front of me.. If anything with the silver cable the 1Plus2 has a full-size headphone like presentation. Similar to what the older model was but just simply better in every aspect IMO. I just really love the air I get on this IEM. It's so spacious yet doesn't feel to light or weighty...

 

Earlier on I had noted the gold cable really doesn't lack in detail (not by much if any) but it smooths things out. It does lack in transparency & sound staging though.

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