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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

 

 

Actually, Gavin, I think that honor belongs to Diffuse Field or OW tuned IEMs. The 1plus2, as great as it is, doesn't match either of those.

 

The DF and OW curves were derived from plotting the perception of a flat loudspeaker, and iems like the UERM, ER4S, F111, etc attempt to match that in the mids and highs. This generally involves lifting between 1 and 4K, areas where the 1plus2 slightly shies away from to create that sense of space. I'm sure Inks will be here shortly to expand on the matter. After all,

 

 

 

I think the difference here is, you are looking at it from a technical stance, charts and graphs.............For me it is just about the music and how close a system gets to reproducing that performance. I listen to a lot of live un-amped events and my goal in this hobby is to try with the components that I have to get as close as possible to the feel of that event, be it from IEMs, headphones or speakers.

 

Plus no speakers are flat once they have to interact with surrounding...........it is all a fallacy! 

 

I really have no interest in technicalities, although I have been looking at charts in my professional career for 15 years and the only ones that worked for me is the point and figure chart..........not because the chart is good, but many of my peers who moves the markets with sheer volume, were using the same charts. And it is basically just reflects price action........  

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Originally Posted by spkrs01 View Post
 

 

I think the difference here is, you are looking at it from a technical stance, charts and graphs.............For me it is just about the music and how close a system gets to reproducing that performance. I listen to a lot of live un-amped events and my goal in this hobby is to try with the components that I have to get as close as possible to the feel of that event, be it from IEMs, headphones or speakers.

 

Plus no speakers are flat once they have to interact with surrounding...........it is all a fallacy!

 

I really have no interest in technicalities, although I have been looking at charts in my professional career for 15 years and the only ones that worked for me is the point and figure chart..........not because the chart is good, but many of my peers who moves the markets with sheer volume, were using the same charts. And it is basically just reflects price action........ 

 

 

 

I understand and agree, but I was addressing the point you made about tuning. I still maintain that a lot of the 1p2's special magic comes from the more relaxed mids and emphasized treble

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Back to the music :bigsmile_face:

post #4159 of 5362
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Originally Posted by spkrs01 View Post
 

James

 

A complementary pair of IEMs to the 1plus2 should probably convey some more mid presence, if a more normalized IEM sound is required. I am generalizing somewhat here.

 

However, I think we can mostly agree that the majority of music is recorded primarily for speakers. From this perspective, we need to gather thoughts as to which presentation is correct, not personal preference. A high end speaker system's sound staging starts at the plane of the speakers and soundstages behind the speakers. This presentation is not V shaped, as such but just revealing how the recording was produced........................ 

 

Gavin, I believe we both mean pretty much the same thing, just that my wording was different. I personally believe a slightly V-shaped frequency response (as compared to a "normalized" one, or DF/OW tuned, as Eke put it) results in a more realistic spatial presentation with IEMs. It basically works by putting some distance into the mids, as we tend to judge spatial characteristics (amongst other things) by how close or far vocals sound to us. The 1plus2's tuning succeeds in conveying a very realistic spatiality in my book.

 

However, quite a few listeners I've talked to are less interested in a lifelike spatial presentation, but rather crave vocal intimacy instead. That's why I think it's not bad idea for a complementary pair of IEMs to the 1plus2 to take this into account and offer a little more mids presence.

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A bit of an off topic discussion, but does anyone else also get a sort of nausea when switching from a large soundstage oriented headphone to a smaller more intimate one, vice versa?

 

I'm switching between my customs and the 1P2. The former is giving me a headache right now.


Edited by EveTan - 9/9/13 at 12:03am
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Originally Posted by EveTan View Post
 

A bit of an off topic discussion, but does anyone else also get a sort of nausea when switching from a large soundstage oriented headphone to a smaller more intimate one, vice versa?

 

I'm switching between my customs and the 1P2. The former is giving me a headache right now.

 

So are you saying your CIEMs are now giving you a headache? I've gotten headaches from IEMs that are very forward (intimate and forcing itself on you). If you mean by this then yes indeed. I do not like my space being invaded. I'd rather listen to the music opposed to having it forced on me.

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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

So are you saying your CIEMs are now giving you a headache? I've gotten headaches from IEMs that are very forward (intimate and forcing itself on you). If you mean by this then yes indeed. I do not like my space being invaded. I'd rather listen to the music opposed to having it forced on me.

Hmm. Not really a headache. I phrased that wrong. More of a stifling type of feeling. The type that makes you dizzy and your head all woozy. Kind of like motion sickness.

Now that I've been back to the customs for an hour, with lots of lying on the bed with my eyes closed, the nausea is gone.

...wierd
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Well if you were nauseated, even with movement and it was coming from your head area. I'd still classify that as a headache.

post #4164 of 5362
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Originally Posted by spkrs01 View Post
 

 

I think the difference here is, you are looking at it from a technical stance, charts and graphs.............For me it is just about the music and how close a system gets to reproducing that performance. I listen to a lot of live un-amped events and my goal in this hobby is to try with the components that I have to get as close as possible to the feel of that event, be it from IEMs, headphones or speakers.

 

Plus no speakers are flat once they have to interact with surrounding...........it is all a fallacy! 

 

I really have no interest in technicalities, although I have been looking at charts in my professional career for 15 years and the only ones that worked for me is the point and figure chart..........not because the chart is good, but many of my peers who moves the markets with sheer volume, were using the same charts. And it is basically just reflects price action........  

 

+1 (same i feel about my humble experience with acoustics and gear)

 

@James444

mate, i agree with you, after all personal preferences will play a big role and what will be good for you will not be good for me and visa versa.

but would not you agree about coloration and acoustics? church acoustic is one issue, Wiener Musikverein radiating acoustic is another, then open field venue is completely different from both. sitting in the concert is not like being on stage, i like the stage feel reproduction while some dudes hate it and call it much in your face way of listen.

 

after all there are many good products and for each taste there is one. this is why i am more sceptic about comparisons because how do i do one when for instance 1p2 and ASG2 are so different and appeal to different users and brain burn in?

 

on a side note, intimacy mid and vocal presentation will be impossible without sacrificing some stage presence and rounding musical notes. drum hit sound onstage is so different from what you hear from the first row :-D


Edited by Gintaras - 9/9/13 at 1:15am
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Originally Posted by EveTan View Post
 

A bit of an off topic discussion, but does anyone else also get a sort of nausea when switching from a large soundstage oriented headphone to a smaller more intimate one, vice versa?

 

I'm switching between my customs and the 1P2. The former is giving me a headache right now.

 

consult the doctor immediately, i doubt IEMs or headphones are the cause. otherwise you must describe in more detail what happened to you because from what i hear this is purely medical case.

 

Nausea and vomiting are not diseases but symptoms that can be caused by many conditions!!!

 

NB: since i was readying for MD studies which i never did but i still take great interest in medicine.


Edited by Gintaras - 9/9/13 at 1:20am
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Thread Starter 

The only things I could think of in that case are an ear infection or vertigo (if he loses balance that is). I actually just had an ear infection a couple days ago. Was very nauseated and could feel my heartbeat pulsing in my ears. This was after wearing the SE5s for a bit over a couple hours and I suffered the next day or so. Ears were a tad bit sore as well.


Edited by lee730 - 9/9/13 at 1:12am
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post
 

The only things I could think of in that case are an ear infection or vertigo (if he loses balance that is). I actually just had an ear infection a couple days ago. Was very nauseated and could feel my heartbeat pulsing in my ears. This was after wearing the SE5s for a bit over a couple hours and I suffered the next day or so. Ears were a tad bit sore as well.

 

 

Lee, with all due respect we are not MDs, so consulting specialist is a must. You cannot imagine how different causes can be and telling from general symptoms is nearly impossible. I fail to see a single particular condition which could help me to classify the case, hence more thorough analysis is a must. This can be well ear canal's infection, blood pressure which normally is difficult to notice unless headache and vomiting come as severity symptoms, etc etc... so better seek medical attention to exclude any serious illnesses, then medication will be easy and fast recovery.

 

btw, here is one answer i googled which goes along the same lines like i said:

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I am not a doctor, but: you should talk to a professional. Having dizziness in the morning might be serious health problem, and probably is NOT connected with listening with earphones the day before. If the headphones are causing the problem, you should start feeling a short time after you turn on the music, and that shouldn’t last long after you stop that activity. There’s no way it should induce dizziness the day after!

Again, I am not a doctor (IANAD?), but I think you should talk to one about your problem ASAP. This might be something mild (weather change, stress, mild ear infections, etc.) but could be a really, really serious health issue as well. Don’t take it lightly.


Edited by Gintaras - 9/9/13 at 1:32am
post #4168 of 5362
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Originally Posted by EveTan View Post
 

A bit of an off topic discussion, but does anyone else also get a sort of nausea when switching from a large soundstage oriented headphone to a smaller more intimate one, vice versa?

 

I'm switching between my customs and the 1P2. The former is giving me a headache right now.

 

A sort of nausea or headache? Never experienced that myself, but I'd stop listening to Justin Bieber when switching to more intimate sounding phones if I were you.

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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post
 

 

 

Lee, with all due respect we are not MDs, so consulting specialist is a must. You cannot imagine how different causes can be and telling from general symptoms is nearly impossible. I fail to see a single particular condition which could help me to classify the case, hence more thorough analysis is a must. This can be well ear canal's infection, blood pressure which normally is difficult to notice unless headache and vomiting come as severity symptoms, etc etc... so better seek medical attention to exclude any serious illnesses, then medication will be easy and fast recovery.

 

btw, here is one answer i googled which goes along the same lines like i said:

 

Well I never said he shouldn't consult a doctor. I really don't know exactly what could have caused those issues. Only stating possibilities. I agree with you though that if it's a problem he should seek medical treatment.

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Music4321 believes a good dose of humor might cure the cause :D

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