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post #1036 of 2855
12/30/12 at 12:36am
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If it pains you, why don't you just treat iRiver as some unknown company (you have not even heard of them or know them) that are supplying parts to RWA? Then, think of it as you are buying a product from RWA that promises to deliver most (if not all) the things you are looking for.


UElover you are still not getting the point. The point was in reference to AnakChans comments earlier. Toads commented on it and I agreed with toads. There's two sides to the story, or a double-edged sword (hypocrisy). Honestly I could care less about iRiver at this point but the fact is you are still taking a risk buying directly from them or even from Vinnie himself regardless if they are established or not. Even I knew this when considering purchasing it in a group buy. But that wouldn't change my feelings on the matter. I would still have distrust no matter and of course would hope for the best in terms of warranty support after the mod.


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12/30/12 at 12:37am
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If it pains you, why don't you just treat iRiver as some unknown company (you have not even heard of them or know them) that are supplying parts to RWA? Then, think of it as you are buying a product from RWA that promises to deliver most (if not all) the things you are looking for.

LOL I think it is hard to ignore something that leaves you a negative impression.

If I was been told correctly, Vinnie from RWA have had mentioned some down side/risks.

Overall, I would choose to waitpopcorn.gif

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post #1038 of 2855
12/30/12 at 12:46am
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It's a lie only if you believe it....?.....what brave new world are you from ? wink.gif

Haha... He doesn't trust iRiver but Vinnie indeed. From his point of view, RWAAK100 is not risky and worth buying if it is guaranteed to have a great performance.

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post #1039 of 2855
12/30/12 at 12:53am
Don't get me wrong...I want the RWAK100 to be a winner, but I'm under no illusion that there aren't risks involved @ $895....more risks than purchasing the 1+2....which BTW this thread is about....

-@ ~140hrs they continue to change subtlety, mainly due I think to the silver cable settling down....

- as a result the soundstage improves with more precision and dimensionality....height and width is immense but I think the biggest change is in the depth...layering is fantastic

- the DD has found it's place and i am finding even more attack, timbre and harmonics on the mid bass....
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12/30/12 at 12:58am
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Don't get me wrong...I want the RWAK100 to be a winner, but I'm under no illusion that there aren't risks involved @ $895....more risks than purchasing the 1+2....which BTW this thread is about....
-@ ~140hrs they continue to change subtlety, mainly due I think to the silver cable settling down....
- as a result the soundstage improves with more precision and dimensionality....height and width is immense but I think the biggest change is in the depth...layering is fantastic
- the DD has found it's place and i am finding even more attack, timbre and harmonics on the mid bass....

 

Hmm you're making me jealous lol. I'm almost tempted to go back to the silver cable now. My other silver cable has been used more than "the neighborhood bicycle". Everyone's had a ride ;).

 

But at least right now I feel the gold cable adds more intimacy (romantic) in the mids. The sound stage is smaller for sure. But you get a more personal sound. Bass is also more in quantity. Treble seems to be a tad smoother although it also has a slight bump in quantity as well... The best mids I've heard still lol :P.

 

So far I think I have a little over 80 hours on it. I've been using that burn in file you gave me on the DX100/T1 amp. But the DX100 is pissing me off lol. I put it on repeat one and when I wake up its changed the track to another song. So I'm a bit hesitant to turn the volume too high as I don't want to damage the IEMs. Although it was on half volume via T1 and 195 and they still handled it like a champ. But still.... I tend to like to baby my things :P.


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post #1041 of 2855
12/30/12 at 1:00am
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It's a lie only if you believe it....?.....what brave new world are you from ? wink.gif


The one from Iron maiden ;).

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post #1042 of 2855
12/30/12 at 1:01am

How did iRiver's AK100 come into a Tralucent 1Plus2 thread?...[check past posts]...Ah, toads brought it up ;-).

 

Anyhow, I know I said I won't comment on the 1Plus2's SQ since I only listened to if for 10 mins but during that little, it was enough to "wow" me to look into it a little more instead of just tossing it aside. Whilst looking into it, I did find out more about Tralucent and the development of the 1Plus2 up to it's current pricing. That said, I feel for my $$, it's better invested elsewhere (i.e. not just in the product but in the company too) for now, or not spend if I don't find anything satisfactory.

 

I'm not unsubscribing from this thread but I'm going silent for now and happy to let others promote the goodness of the product to other potential buyers. Who knows, if Tralucent is able to make the 1Plus2 Gold/Carbon back at its original introduction pricing with no SQ loss, it may pique my interest again.

 

I'm not easily offended, so rebuttals aren't going to faze me (unless you're insulting my newborn ;-)). However I'll be happy to share my thoughts privately in PMs.


I wish Tralucent and 1Plus2 all the best for now. Ta ta for now.

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post #1043 of 2855
12/30/12 at 10:48am
Hmm, let's get back to the topic.
I think Tralucent audio 1Plus2 has a reasonable price since it can be made into CIEM. Everyone forgot this... Same price for both Universal and Custom.
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post #1044 of 2855
12/30/12 at 11:20am

Everyone's mileage varies. I personally find the 1Plus2 amazing, but I can't quite justify the price.

That it can be made into a custom has no correlation to pricing justification.

I'm a broke college student, so that's what keeps me from accepting the pricing, but do note that I am not blaming the act of the pricing itself, like some others have. I do not have the right to, since I do not know what goes on behind the scenes. I'm only sulking because of my status in society which causes me to be over-conscious about money and prices.

 

I would also like to further comment, and I am going to be a bit of a hypocrite, but I am going to make some assumptions to convey my point:

By your logic, a new company should not have a product that is so highly priced, even when there are reviews and impressions that say it contends or beats anything in its price bracket. However, an established company can, and should, and there is nothing wrong with that. Further, you suggested that the new company is cutting corners by overpricing its product to profit more, which then implies that you are talking about morality. Then, may I ask, how do you find a company who has already finished all R&D on a simple product by adding a few drivers, testing, tuning, and is now selling this product at $1150, MUCH above its cost for parts and labor, successfully for almost three years now, and is continuously making a ton of profit, effectively making this product a huge cash cow (not to mention it has many more products similar to the one at hand)? Do you find this any more 'moral' than the new company extending its pricing to the range of those with which it contends, in order to cover for intensive cost of labor for R&D and more expensive parts, especially since it is not exactly ordered in bulk? I admit I am making huge assumptions, and so I am going to make one more and ask one more question. Do you find high pricing for massive profits more 'trustworthy' or 'moral' than high pricing to make [economic] rent to keep the business going?

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Hmm, let's get back to the topic.
I think Tralucent audio 1Plus2 has a reasonable price since it can be made into CIEM. Everyone forgot this... Same price for both Universal and Custom.

Edited by Girls Generation - 12/30/12 at 11:27am
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post #1045 of 2855
12/30/12 at 11:56am
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Everyone's mileage varies. I personally find the 1Plus2 amazing, but I can't quite justify the price.
That it can be made into a custom has no correlation to pricing justification.
I'm a broke college student, so that's what keeps me from accepting the pricing, but do note that I am not blaming the act of the pricing itself, like some others have. I do not have the right to, since I do not know what goes on behind the scenes. I'm only sulking because of my status in society which causes me to be over-conscious about money and prices.

I would also like to further comment, and I am going to be a bit of a hypocrite, but I am going to make some assumptions to convey my point:
By your logic, a new company should not have a product that is so highly priced, even when there are reviews and impressions that say it contends or beats anything in its price bracket. However, an established company can, and should, and there is nothing wrong with that. Further, you suggested that the new company is cutting corners by overpricing its product to profit more, which then implies that you are talking about morality. Then, may I ask, how do you find a company who has already finished all R&D on a simple product by adding a few drivers, testing, tuning, and is now selling this product at $1150, MUCH above its cost for parts and labor, successfully for almost three years now, and is continuously making a ton of profit, effectively making this product a huge cash cow (not to mention it has many more products similar to the one at hand)? Do you find this any more 'moral' than the new company extending its pricing to the range of those with which it contends, in order to cover for intensive cost of labor for R&D and more expensive parts, especially since it is not exactly ordered in bulk? I admit I am making huge assumptions, and so I am going to make one more and ask one more question. Do you find high pricing for massive profits more 'trustworthy' or 'moral' than high pricing to make [economic] rent to keep the business going?

I completely understand your point. I'm a student who earns little money and I do find 1plus2 pricy. But what I personally think is that whether a company is established or just started is not no important. As long as they have an excellent product and customer satisfaction, people are willing to pay for the cost ( or the extra profit ). For those who like us, we can't actually anything because of this reality.
Your assumptions could be right, I must admit.
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12/30/12 at 5:09pm
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Originally Posted by Girls Generation View Post

Everyone's mileage varies. I personally find the 1Plus2 amazing, but I can't quite justify the price.

That it can be made into a custom has no correlation to pricing justification.

I'm a broke college student, so that's what keeps me from accepting the pricing, but do note that I am not blaming the act of the pricing itself, like some others have. I do not have the right to, since I do not know what goes on behind the scenes. I'm only sulking because of my status in society which causes me to be over-conscious about money and prices.

 

I would also like to further comment, and I am going to be a bit of a hypocrite, but I am going to make some assumptions to convey my point:

By your logic, a new company should not have a product that is so highly priced, even when there are reviews and impressions that say it contends or beats anything in its price bracket. However, an established company can, and should, and there is nothing wrong with that. Further, you suggested that the new company is cutting corners by overpricing its product to profit more, which then implies that you are talking about morality. Then, may I ask, how do you find a company who has already finished all R&D on a simple product by adding a few drivers, testing, tuning, and is now selling this product at $1150, MUCH above its cost for parts and labor, successfully for almost three years now, and is continuously making a ton of profit, effectively making this product a huge cash cow (not to mention it has many more products similar to the one at hand)? Do you find this any more 'moral' than the new company extending its pricing to the range of those with which it contends, in order to cover for intensive cost of labor for R&D and more expensive parts, especially since it is not exactly ordered in bulk? I admit I am making huge assumptions, and so I am going to make one more and ask one more question. Do you find high pricing for massive profits more 'trustworthy' or 'moral' than high pricing to make [economic] rent to keep the business going?

 

Yep I'd rather pay to support a company who is indeed pushing the envelope (innovation) and putting much of that cost into the IEM I am purchasing. What that means is a higher return on your investment (more value and performance per dollar). As long as customer service and build quality are up to snuff there is no reason to feel otherwise. Saying otherwise is just showing bias & in the end with that attitude it will be the users loss. Not mine :). The "less for more approach" has never worked for me.

 

@Xinghui. I'm not so sure if they are gonna make a Custom IEM. They had already mentioned how they designed the IEM is best suited for universal shells since it doesn't require sound tubes. So you get more coherency due to the design. It would be interesting though if they were able to apply it to a Custom IEM though for both fit and comfort reasons :).


Edited by lee730 - 12/30/12 at 5:39pm
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post #1047 of 2855
12/30/12 at 6:05pm
Now I have already two univeral high end iem Fit ear 334 TG and now Tralucent 1+2,
I wish one day Fit ear / Nt Suyama release his 335 TG as well with cheaper price than 335 DW.
The first time I heard the fit ear 335 DW in April 2012 , was like LCD 3 sound zig
Edited by rudi0504 - 12/30/12 at 6:10pm
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post #1048 of 2855
12/30/12 at 6:55pm

I guess I'll be the guy whose the evil decenter in all this. I have no problem paying more if the company is pushing the envelope with a new product BUT the question should be is the company truly innovating. For example is an LCD 3 truly worth a whole whopping 1000 dollars more then say an LCD 2 rev2? Is an Amperion truly worth over a 100 dollars more then it's HD-25 ii-ii cousin? I can't speak for the LCD 3 question because I've only heard the LCD2 rev 2 but I can speak for the Amperion question and the answer is a resounding no. I own the HD 25 and I've listened to the Amperion various times and there's barely any difference if any in sound. I've also never heard the FitEar 334 but I've read enough about them from people whose ears I trust to draw an educated conclusion. For instance, if you read Joker's full review on the 334 although he highly praises them and I quote directly

 

Quote:Joker
My first listen to the TG334 left me slightly stunned – it was the best universal-fit earphone I’d heard,

he later on towards the end of his review further states and I again quote directly:

 

Quote:Joker
The question many will be asking is whether the TG334 performs as well as similarly-priced custom monitors. Based comparing it to just the UM Miracle, the answer seems to be "not quite", but more than one data point would be needed for certainty.

I'm very much hoping by the time the 1plus2 gets to me I'll have both my Heir Audio 4A's and my Paradox headphone in my possession. If the 1Plus2 keeps itself within the ballpark or even beats these two pieces of gear then I would say maybe it is worth the summit-fi like pricing. If it doesn't then it's not worth it or at least not to me. I know I'm coming across as overly cynical but I think being cynical is a good attribute to have especially when we're talking about 1000 plus dollars on audio gear. Matter of fact, I think it's in the hobbies best interest for all of us to be overly cynical especially when it involves pricing. No names being mentioned (it's no one on this thread) but some people on these boards automatically equate a higher price tag to better performance when it's truly not the case. Honestly, I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that some people on here just buy the higher priced gear as a way of showing off. Think of them as audiophile fashionistas.

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post #1049 of 2855
12/30/12 at 10:24pm
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You have a point. But if that was the case IMO I wouldn't have bothered purchasing them to begn with. If I was just into style I'd have kept the W3000 ANVS ;). But it should be a learning experience for you since you've never heard a hi-end IEM before right? What is the best you've heard in terms of IEMs?
 


Edited by lee730 - 12/30/12 at 10:47pm
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12/30/12 at 10:31pm

I do not disagree; I myself am extremely cynical when approaching any kind of gear at any price bracket, whether that be low-fi, or summit-fi. I only justify a gear's price with its performance bracket, and whether there are other products out there that equates but is cheaper. Therefore, I really do not prefer buying 'blindly' where I am taking a risk in that I have not heard the product first hand. Further unfortunately for me, I live in Vancouver where there are barely any Head-Fiers with mainstream gear, which is why I am grateful there is a local headphone shop who is also Canada's only Schiit and Audez'e dealer, meaning they have their flagships in stock and ready for demoing. 

 

I understand the risk factor in purchasing products that are extremely highly priced, especially if those products are not mainstream and will be difficult to resell without losing quite a sum of money, and further if there are not many reviews posted yet. However, this still does not call for blaming the company's pricing because that's a whole different animal, and they do not price products according to how 'comfortable' the consumers are with spending their money, nor whether it's 'worth' it to them.

 

Now, talking about Tralucent specifically, I have faith in them because we are seeing real progress and improvements made to cater to the consumers' thoughts and requests. They have demo tours of this product, implying they are confident it can compete, wow, and sway the consumers, which in turn boosts our confidence and relieves some doubt and the risk factor, since we know there will be many upcoming reviews and comparisons.

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