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post #421 of 2087
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

 

Just my thoughts. The Signature Pro and Signature DJ has more resolution than the 3 aforementioned above. Personally I feel that the Ultrasone Sig range are just simply the next level up. And if you're looking at getting more detail and resolution, then you'll just have to splash the dough now to get to that next level. And even that to me is climbing the ladder "slowly" (otherwise I'd say go straight for the Fostex TH-900 ;-)).

 

At least in my thoughts, although I'd personally rate the TH-900s the top of the closed back range, they're non-isolating which makes going out with them a no-no. Therefore my next level would be the SigPro (if it's one that passes good QC) or SigDJ as the top isolating closed backs.

 

Time to move up buddy.

 

+1  ;-)

 

Pretty happy with my Sig Pros and Mad Dogs... I would LOVE to try the Sig Djs and the TH-900s! But I guess I'll wait for the TH-600s (and differences between them) and the Audeze closed-back...

post #422 of 2087
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

At least in my thoughts, although I'd personally rate the TH-900s the top of the closed back range, they're non-isolating which makes going out with them a no-no. Therefore my next level would be the SigPro (if it's one that passes good QC) or SigDJ as the top isolating closed backs.

 

It sounds like its pretty tough to find one with good QC now a days. I would have a hard time even figuring out if I had one that passed good QC and if not would you send it back? Are the distributors of the SigPro ok with this? If its hard to replace them makes me wary of spending so much on something that could be considered 'damaged'

post #423 of 2087
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Originally Posted by SleazyC View Post

 

It sounds like its pretty tough to find one with good QC now a days. I would have a hard time even figuring out if I had one that passed good QC and if not would you send it back? Are the distributors of the SigPro ok with this? If its hard to replace them makes me wary of spending so much on something that could be considered 'damaged'

 

Kinda depends on where. Trying new is difficult but in Tokyo there's lots of 2nd hand ones where you can compare next to each other. Yes I know now we're talking 2nd hand, it's a different ball game but people do look after their stuff here pretty well.

 

Anyway, just to clear matters I managed to borrow a pair from the local distributor. It didn't sound right compared to the demo at the shop. So I went back to the distributor who pulled out 3xSigPros. As this was a pre-arranged meeting and I preempted what this meeting was about, they actually listened to their SigPros before I arrived. When I got there, they were pretty much upfront saying that they could hear the difference themselves with what they had pulled out.

 

I've heard more than 10 different SigPros last year and now that I've got the distributor to agree, I don't think they'll be an issue. The issue will be with the shop retailers themselves - I'm sure they won't be happy opening up box after box.

post #424 of 2087
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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post

I am still on the fence regarding the Sig DJ.  Despite excellent, detailed sonic descriptions from SoundFreaq and AnakChan, I am cautious due to the lack of activity on this thread with I equate to a lack of enthusiasm regarding the headphone.  I have settled in with my M-100 and still love them as they are perfect for modern music, but I am now finding there are some recordings where I would like more high end extension and detail.  I have been listening more to female vocalists lately (mellowing out in my old age) like Jewel, Norah Jones, Natalie Merchant, Carly Simon, Alanis Morissette and wondering if the vocals of the Sig DJ would be too recessed to fully appreciate them and how much more recessed vocals are compared to the M-100 which already has laid back vocals.

The Sig DJ hit many check boxes for me including great looks, durability, portability, fantastic bass, wide soundstage and excellent detail based on what I have see and read.  However, at their price point, I would expect a headphone that hits ALL my check boxes which must also include an exceptional vocal presentation.

Any additional feedback, particularly in comparison to the M-100, PSB M4U2 or MDR-1R would be appreciated.
Well, I have no good comparison for you, but I certainly don't think you would be disappointed in the mids or vocals department. My only complaint is a little monotonous bass, though mine are recabled with Cu/Au (mistake I ]think). You can easily put a silver/rhodium cable on these. They are not even a little harsh. I had Pro900 fear for sure.

They play pretty high up, but they are quite rolled off above 8k compared to TH-900 and the like. Just check out the FR that was posted, it's right on.

My pair could probably use another week of play time, but they aren't changing a whole lot at this point. They are all but broken out of the box. I was sure I'd have to send them back (which happens with each new set of phones).

Edit: Mine were wired out of phase. The monotonous bass comment isn't valid at this point (or it was break-in)
Edited by m2man - 2/8/13 at 12:24pm
post #425 of 2087

@m2man- I'm not seeing a rolloff above 8K and my understanding is that the Sig DJ is a brighter headphone?  When you say Sig DJ bass is monotonous, compared to what and what amp are you using?

 

Any word if the TH-600 is fully closed and portable?  The last mid-fi option I am holding out for before splurging for the Sig DJ is the AKG Tiesto K267.  I tried the Velodyne VTrue and it was a bust. 

 

Thank you to everyone for your feedback.


Edited by Craigster75 - 1/4/13 at 11:05pm
post #426 of 2087
The SDJ is +12db at 10KHz and -6db at 20KHz. That's rolled off in my book. It's not gone or anything but it's not a bright phone at all. Also keep in mind that 4-10KHz is where most of the highs/treble are. The SDJ just doesn't have a ton of sparkle or super dry range treble.

I am comparing it to the LCD-3 and TH-900 bass wise. I'm not sure anything makes better bass than those two phones. The SDJ is very similar to the Pro900. Lots of mid bass not a ton of sub bass. I'm using the Mjolnir as an amp.

Edit: Mine were wired out of phase. Taking back my bass descriptions.
Edited by m2man - 2/8/13 at 12:27pm
post #427 of 2087

Hi all!

 

I actually created an account almost purely to post in this thread. I currently own some Ultrasone Pro 900's and I like them a lot, but my curiosity is burning as to what something even better would sound like. Not to mention something that isn't quite as... stimulating... to listen to.bigsmile_face.gif So I think I may be picking up either a Signature Pro or Signature DJ come tax refund time.

 

It seems like only two people have really done any extensive side-by-side with the Pro and DJ, and they had conflicting conclusions. I think I would be better served by the Signature Pro, but I would love to hear from anyone else who has heard both and has an opinion. And also if the Edition 8 would be something even worth considering. Does anyone happen to know of a shop around the Chicago area that I could compare these models?

 

Also, as a low brass player it's quite amusing reading about things like burn-in and variance that have strong parallels in the tuba/euphonium community. Especially considering the prevalence of German design in both worlds. :P

post #428 of 2087
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Originally Posted by Levaix View Post

Hi all!

 

I actually created an account almost purely to post in this thread. I currently own some Ultrasone Pro 900's and I like them a lot, but my curiosity is burning as to what something even better would sound like. Not to mention something that isn't quite as... stimulating... to listen to.bigsmile_face.gif So I think I may be picking up either a Signature Pro or Signature DJ come tax refund time.

 

It seems like only two people have really done any extensive side-by-side with the Pro and DJ, and they had conflicting conclusions. I think I would be better served by the Signature Pro, but I would love to hear from anyone else who has heard both and has an opinion. And also if the Edition 8 would be something even worth considering. Does anyone happen to know of a shop around the Chicago area that I could compare these models?

 

Also, as a low brass player it's quite amusing reading about things like burn-in and variance that have strong parallels in the tuba/euphonium community. Especially considering the prevalence of German design in both worlds. :P


Months ago, I auditioned the Pro 900, Edition 8 and Signature Pro side-by-side.  If you refer the to the Pro 900 as "stimulating", I would say we have different taste since I found their highs unbearable after a few minutes. I consider the the Edition 8 and Signature Pro to still be bright headphones, but not offensive to my ears.  I find their detail and resolution to be extraordinary as they should be for the price with more forward mids compared to the recessed Pro 900.  Compared to the Pro 900, bass is not overpowering, but is punchy, tight and and can be EQ'd to basshead levels.  Overall, among the best quality bass I have ever heard.  If you prefer a brighter sound, the Edition 8 is brighter than the Signature Pro.  My preference is toward the smoother Signature Pro.  I am considering the Signature DJ as well for their added bass and would love to audition them, but Ultrasone seems to have limited US distribution and any retailer I have found that discounts them won't accept returns.

post #429 of 2087
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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post

@m2man- I'm not seeing a rolloff above 8K and my understanding is that the Sig DJ is a brighter headphone?  When you say Sig DJ bass is monotonous, compared to what and what amp are you using?

 

Any word if the TH-600 is fully closed and portable?  The last mid-fi option I am holding out for before splurging for the Sig DJ is the AKG Tiesto K267.  I tried the Velodyne VTrue and it was a bust. 

 

Thank you to everyone for your feedback.

Tried the tiesto, momentum, and m-100 recently. Mad dogs beat all 3 imo. I do have a headphone amp though and they need it the most out of the four.

post #430 of 2087

Anyone else think the sig. dj is out of like 99% of most dj's headphone budget. Ultrasone needs to make a better version of the dj1pro and sell it for around $200. Ultrasone shouldv'e called these pro 1900's or somthin.

post #431 of 2087
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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post


Months ago, I auditioned the Pro 900, Edition 8 and Signature Pro side-by-side.  If you refer the to the Pro 900 as "stimulating", I would say we have different taste since I found their highs unbearable after a few minutes. I consider the the Edition 8 and Signature Pro to still be bright headphones, but not offensive to my ears.  I find their detail and resolution to be extraordinary as they should be for the price with more forward mids compared to the recessed Pro 900.  Compared to the Pro 900, bass is not overpowering, but is punchy, tight and and can be EQ'd to basshead levels.  Overall, among the best quality bass I have ever heard.  If you prefer a brighter sound, the Edition 8 is brighter than the Signature Pro.  My preference is toward the smoother Signature Pro.  I am considering the Signature DJ as well for their added bass and would love to audition them, but Ultrasone seems to have limited US distribution and any retailer I have found that discounts them won't accept returns.

"Stimulating" was intended as an understatement.  wink_face.gif That being said apparently my ears enjoy a little abuse, because I would consider the 900's to have a very "fun" sound signature that is only a little exhausting after a while and doesn't work well with every genre. There is a relatively decent chance I keep the 900's after I upgrade since they have a very unique sound; in other words I definitely AM looking for something different.

 

I used to own a pair of the rebranded Alienware Ozma (whichever one corresponded to the Ultrasone HFI 700, I believe). My understanding is that the Signature Pro would have a similar flavor to that, just on a different level, and that definitely sounds appealing. The reason I'm mostly considering Ultrasone at this point is because I definitely want something that isolates (my 900's are actually worse than the Ozma's were), I already know I like their "house flavor" in its different incarnations, and I don't want to waste money on the slow climb up. The Edition 8's are currently my 3rd consideration only because they don't seem nearly as rugged, and I don't think I could handle accidentally breaking (or even scratching) something that pretty. I'd like to be able to take them on car trips with my family, etc. And it seems like most people like the Signature Pro sound better anyways. It just gets confusing hearing all the conflicting opinions about soundstage between the different Ultrasone models.

post #432 of 2087
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Originally Posted by Levaix View Post

"Stimulating" was intended as an understatement.  wink_face.gif That being said apparently my ears enjoy a little abuse, because I would consider the 900's to have a very "fun" sound signature that is only a little exhausting after a while and doesn't work well with every genre. There is a relatively decent chance I keep the 900's after I upgrade since they have a very unique sound; in other words I definitely AM looking for something different.

 

I used to own a pair of the rebranded Alienware Ozma (whichever one corresponded to the Ultrasone HFI 700, I believe). My understanding is that the Signature Pro would have a similar flavor to that, just on a different level, and that definitely sounds appealing. The reason I'm mostly considering Ultrasone at this point is because I definitely want something that isolates (my 900's are actually worse than the Ozma's were), I already know I like their "house flavor" in its different incarnations, and I don't want to waste money on the slow climb up. The Edition 8's are currently my 3rd consideration only because they don't seem nearly as rugged, and I don't think I could handle accidentally breaking (or even scratching) something that pretty. I'd like to be able to take them on car trips with my family, etc. And it seems like most people like the Signature Pro sound better anyways. It just gets confusing hearing all the conflicting opinions about soundstage between the different Ultrasone models.


Based on AnakChan's review, the Sig DJ seems to offer the widest soundstage.

post #433 of 2087
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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post


Based on AnakChan's review, the Sig DJ seems to offer the widest soundstage.

Compared to SoundFreaq's impressions that the Signature Pro was better in that aspect. Although maybe the point of contention isn't the DJ, but the Pro. Because it seems a lot of people disagreed on the soundstage of the Signature Pro. Some people were saying it was even better than open headphones, while others said it was good, but not that good.

 

Any more impressions from people who have tried both would be very welcome, and I'm not in any rush.

post #434 of 2087

I recently demoed these at Fujya Avic straight out of my iPhone 5.

I spent about an hour at the counter cycling through the higher end stuff.

These were by far the most phenomenal sounding for my taste.  

The 2nd runner up was the Beyerdynamic T70p.

The price tag on the Ultrasones was about double the T70p's.  I'm not sure I'm qualified to judge if the Ultrasones sounded 2x as good, but there was an incremental improvement, again for my taste.

Note again, I had no additional amplification, and I've read that the "p" in the T70p stands for "portable", i.e., delivers decent sound directly out of a portable audio player such as an iPod.

I didn't get the Ultrasones with an additional amp, so who knows where that might have led.

 

I had the price confused on these because I was looking at it in Japanese Yen.  I thought they were ~ $80US.  That was a decimal fudge; add a zero.  I don't these can be found for this price stateside.

 The "Signature DJ" markings gave me the impression that these were trendy fashion BEATS alternatives.  I was so confused as to why these sounded better than the T70p's (especially when I though they were cheapies.)  They're not cheap, and despite the flashy looks the sound is legit.

 

my taste is varied.  

I was primarily referencing Daft Punk's "Voyager" so I could hone in to the crisp, mid-range bass line groove.  

The other track I was using was Led Zeppelin's "Ramble On".  On that track I just look for clean separation and highly present nuances in the arrangement.  no complaints on either pair. 

 

These are going on the top of my wish list for closed-back/over-ear sound.

post #435 of 2087

Glad you like them! I was lucky Timelord (distributor in Tokyo) loaned me for a few weeks. Did you try the Sig Pros too? If you find a good pair, they're also decent from a different view (i.e. depending on your tastes and preferences).

 

Yen actually isn't that hard to convert. Just imagine everything in cents...there's no decimal point and therefore no "dollars" but just "cents". So if they're Y79,000, it's easier to think of it as 790.00 then convert to USD (USD$902.00 or thereabouts?).

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