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post #1936 of 2041

Hi, I just saw this thread now,, and i'm more than happy for find this.

My current headphone is ATH-M50 which is good, but I know I should buy a real audiophile headphone.

 

So until this moment my list is:

Expensive headphones (Fostex TH900 vs Ultrasone Edition 8)

Less expensive  (Fostex TH600 vs Ultrasone Signature DJ vs Signature Pro)

 

All my music are lossless (1411 kbps/44.1 kHz) and i'm listening by headphone only, (Asus Xonar ST, DragonFly1.2)

 

The EQ always flat, and I like how M50 sounds with flat EQ.

I listen to all kinds of music 3% Classic and 80%  EDM (progressive house, techno house)

I won't accept a non-bassy headphone, it should be near to M50 bass (quantity)

 

I like how my M50 sounds specially at bass, and I like that M50 doesn't need amp, and my Dragonfly1.2 do play it nice

But I know i'm missing alot with my M50, I can feel that, I know that i'm not hearing the full tracks sound.

 

And I don't mind if my next headphone will need an amp, but it will be better if not.

And I think I prefer a closed can because it's bassy and isolated, I don't care much for portability or how good it looks. (the sound is my only goal)

I will be so thankful if anyone can suggest a headphone for me (even a headphone not in my list), and should I buy a new USB dac/amp for my next headphone or my current Dragonfly1.2 will be enough.

 

My budget is not more than 2000$ for the headphone and not more than 700$ for a portable USB dac/amp, and for sure the less the cost the better :)

 

Thanx in advance to everybody.

post #1937 of 2041
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Originally Posted by obsidyen View Post
 

@cb3723 Hey, which is the best for EDM? Sig DJ, Sig Pro or TH900? In TH900 forum, they say TH900 is the EDM king. I have HD650s which have pretty good bass, but I really want to hear that sub-bass (without losing tightness and quality) in EDM songs without doing any EQ'ing. So I've been considering TH900s but Sig series seem interesting too.

 

Also, add TH600 into the mix (it seems you have them too). Sig DJ, Sig Pro, TH900, TH600? Which is the best reference level headphones that are also great for EDM? It'd be great if the same level of performance applied to modern pop, 90s-00s rock too.

 

IMO TH-900

post #1938 of 2041
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Originally Posted by obsidyen View Post

@cb3723
Hey, which is the best for EDM? Sig DJ, Sig Pro or TH900? In TH900 forum, they say TH900 is the EDM king. I have HD650s which have pretty good bass, but I really want to hear that sub-bass (without losing tightness and quality) in EDM songs without doing any EQ'ing. So I've been considering TH900s but Sig series seem interesting too.

Also, add TH600 into the mix (it seems you have them too). Sig DJ, Sig Pro, TH900, TH600? Which is the best reference level headphones that are also great for EDM? It'd be great if the same level of performance applied to modern pop, 90s-00s rock too.

All three sound good to me for EDM smily_headphones1.gif

The most versatile is the Sig DJ due to it's robust bullet proof build and not really requiring an amp - just plug direct into your iPod, smartphone etc and providing you've good quality source file for your music, that's all you require to enjoy the beauty of the DJ's sound signature, it always puts a smile on my face.

The FOSTEX TH600 & TH900 are both bass cannons - not from stock sound signature, but the amount of headroom they have to EQ the bass up to head vibrating degrees and distortion free, you get a very clean and articulate bass hit from both these cans.

Check this below video I made for the extreme bass club thread, known as the bass/paper test. Half a sheet of A4 paper is placed over the bottom earpad whilst the top one keeps it in place.

The headphones are connected to a DAP -Cowon iaudio 10 using a custom EQ setting provided by Hawaiibadboy - the same dude who devised this test - and the DAP is then connected to Fiio E12 amp with 16dB gain and bass boost activated.

A heavy sub bass test track is then played and the level of bass air SPL is shown by the A4 paper vibrations - it's a visual of what would be hitting your ear and side of face.

Headphones being tested here: FOSTEX TH600
Test track: Bass Mekanik - "Night Bass"


Bass is clean and full with strong bass impact reflected by the level of paper vibrations/jitter - FOSTEX 50mm drivers are pure quality.

In this video I actually forgot to switch the E12's bass boost function on, so this test is not showing the full amount of SPL these cans are capable of and I am going to re- do another video, but nonetheless, even with bass boost off, the TH600's clearly show how much bass slam they can produce and transfer when bass EQued playing sub bass tracks.

So if you think you may want to add a little of a considerable lot of bass to your music, the TH600 & TH900 have the ability to dig very deep and low, much further than the Sig DJ, which is still a audiophile basshead headphone in its own right.

Problem with the TH900 is you've got to handle it with care so as not to scratch the polished wood earcups, the TH600 isn't as bad with magnesium earcup outers, but both are fragile compared to the take anywhere anytime Signature DJ's.

Both the TH600 & 900 require amplification to get the best from them, unlike the Sig DJ's.

The Sig DJ's stock sound signature is more bassy than the TH600 and 900's, but as mentioned, the latter two have heaps more headroom to go subterranean on the bass should you EQ it, you can really push bass extension.

TH600 & 900 are more reference, detailed type cans than the Sig DJ, though the 600 can sometimes be a bit too bright with harsh highs on the odd occasion,,but has excellent soundstage and clarity of the full register. The 900 is a more refined liquid version of the TH600 with no harsh highs or rough edges. The wood earcups are particularly beautiful and wood has good acoustic properties. I'm unsure that the TH900 is worth double the cost of the 600, it's the most expensive out of the three by quite a degree, so perhaps doesn't give as much value relative to its cost compared to the TH600 and Sig DJ.

But really, all three of these cans are pretty superb in their own individual rights and a nice threesome to chose one from for sure.

I use my Sig DJ's the most out of these three simply because they are so accessible to use on the move, unlike both Fostex cans which I regard as a sit down to listen to music type headphones as they are on the larger side, have fixed non removable cables which are very long, so not really designed for portable use.

For more bass/paper test videos of many other makes & models of headphones check here:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/716711/the-best-bass-headphones-are-the-extreme-bass-club
Edited by cb3723 - 7/30/14 at 7:19am
post #1939 of 2041

I am curious, what country makes the Fostex ?  And how many yr. warranty is it?

 

also, what on earth is  EDM?

post #1940 of 2041
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Originally Posted by happy hopping View Post
 

I am curious, what country makes the Fostex ?  And how many yr. warranty is it?

 

also, what on earth is  EDM?



Japan. 1 year warranty.

EDM = Electronic dance music, a collective term that includes genres like, house, dubstep, trance, hardstyle etc. (genres produced in a computer program featuring electronic kind of beats/synths etc).


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 7/31/14 at 2:14am
post #1941 of 2041
Anyone use the coiled DJ cable over the shorter silver braided one for personal listening and not for any DJing?

I've not even taken the coiled cable out of the storage case from the day I got the Sig DJ's, but this reviewer below informs the coiled cable is for sitting down and using at home for to get "the greatest sound" implying that it gives better SQ than the short silver braided one?


I don't understand why he doesn't just say - the coiled cable is intended for DJ application and non DJ's may not find the need for it but it may come in handy at some point.

He's basically perpetuating the argument that cables make vast differences in SQ, only in a more misleading way as he's also suggesting coiled 6.3mm cables are for better quality home use and the shorter straight one is just for portable use, but gives the assumption that it's lesser quality so only use as portable as coiled is too long for portable use eek.gif

It's pretty obvious that any cable that is long, coiled or not is not going to be as convenient for portable use if a shorter one is supplied.

What he also fails to convey is that the supplied coiled cable doesn't come with a 3.5mm adapter, unlike most off other brands that do supply one, nor the fact that each cable connects to the headphone via 2.5mm jack inputs (think I'm on a pick faults with everything type of day today tongue.gif)

He barely talks of the sound signature and actually says the coiled cable gives the "pinnacle of audio excellence" - I think replacing him with a turnip to do the review would have been more informative when he talks cables tongue.gif

And this is supposed to be coming from a professional channel on YouTube, so the uninformed will take what this guy says as gospel and no doubt pass on in good faith but total ignorance.

Daily rant over - my apologies, but I had to get that out and feel much better for it...

Did you notice the guy was always out of shot? I think he was reading out aloud from cards wink.gif

Luckily my M50's are the model with fixed coil cable - phew, thank god for that, its always reassuring to know your getting the "greatest sound" rolleyes.gif

I dunno where they pull these cranks out from, but these type of wishy washy reviews are so banal, they may as well just make it as an unboxing video just to show what you get for your monies - no babbling running commentary required - lol smily_headphones1.gif
Edited by cb3723 - 8/1/14 at 3:42am
post #1942 of 2041
I think that the fact that the cable is coiled doesnt really effect the sound, moreso the fact that the portable cable has an inline microphone which can effect the sq compared to just a cable. I find the coild cable to have a bit more clarity and it seems more noticable details, but who knows. Could just be the placebo affect at work wink.gif.
post #1943 of 2041
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Originally Posted by cb3723 View Post

Anyone use the coiled DJ cable over the shorter silver braided one for personal listening and not for any DJing?

I've not even taken the coiled cable out of the storage case from the day I got the Sig DJ's, but this reviewer below informs the coiled cable is for sitting down and using at home for to get "the greatest sound" implying that it gives better SQ than the short silver braided one?
 

I don't understand why he doesn't just say - the coiled cable is intended for DJ application and non DJ's may not find the need for it but it may come in handy at some point.

He's basically perpetuating the argument that cables make vast differences in SQ, only in a more misleading way as he's also suggesting coiled 6.3mm cables are for better quality home use and the shorter straight one is just for portable use, but gives the assumption that it's lesser quality so only use as portable as coiled is too long for portable use eek.gif

It's pretty obvious that any cable that is long, coiled or not is not going to be as convenient for portable use if a shorter one is supplied.

What he also fails to convey is that the supplied coiled cable doesn't come with a 3.5mm adapter, unlike most off other brands that do supply one, nor the fact that each cable connects to the headphone via 2.5mm jack inputs (think I'm on a pick faults with everything type of day today tongue.gif)

He barely talks of the sound signature and actually says the coiled cable gives the "pinnacle of audio excellence" - I think replacing him with a turnip to do the review would have been more informative when he talks cables tongue.gif

And this is supposed to be coming from a professional channel on YouTube, so the uninformed will take what this guy says as gospel and no doubt pass on in good faith but total ignorance.

Daily rant over - my apologies, but I had to get that out and feel much better for it...

Did you notice the guy was always out of shot? I think he was reading out aloud from cards wink.gif

Luckily my M50's are the model with fixed coil cable - phew, thank god for that, its always reassuring to know your getting the "greatest sound" rolleyes.gif

I dunno where they pull these cranks out from, but these type of wishy washy reviews are so banal, they may as well just make it as an unboxing video just to show what you get for your monies - no babbling running commentary required - lol smily_headphones1.gif

 

In fact I do use the coiled cable... always liked this kind of cable, but in this case its simple: It stays at my office where I use a Meier Corda Classic which has 6,3mm jack. At home I leaf the straight cable that came with the Sig Pro connected to the Phonitor, ready for either of the Signatures. One less thing to forget in the morning/afternoon.

 

I'm definitely not a believer in cable sound (how could I after so many years studying electrical engineering and working in pro audio ;-) but sometimes the TRRS connector can give you problems: a TRS jacks contacts might not fit correctly. I have zero concerns using the short silver cable and even ordered one with my Sig Pro (which I had before the Sig DJ).

 

You mention some of the points why I almost never watch video reviews, except Tylls at Innerfidelity, which I really like -- but that has something to do with his enthusiasm for the subject. Most others are quite uninspired (yes, I watched some to verify...) and in fact do not convey much more than an unboxing (which I almost never watch as most products are a disaster in regard to packaging).

post #1944 of 2041
I was looking everywhere to find the maximum input power for Sig Pro and Sig DJ.

I couldn't find that info, So I sent an email to Ultrasone and the reply was:

"Maximum input power:
Signature PRO = 120 mW
Signature DJ = 200 mW"

I'm not sure if that's right!
post #1945 of 2041

Definitely not right but I may be confusing it with something else possibly.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 8/1/14 at 12:13pm
post #1946 of 2041

I admit I've never worried about that... Just had a look at the documents that came with the headphones and neither states max power input. Maybe a bit unusual, but those values don't say too much... I guess in most cases you'll be deaf before you've roasted the drivers anyway ;-)

 

And don't forget that a doubling of input power just gives 3dB more output level... thats noticeable but not much. 10dB is said to be about double perceived sound pressure level, so thats an 8-fold increase of input power.

post #1947 of 2041

One must remember that a volume knob is not linear in power, so even on amps putting out something like 5 watts at 50 ohms you can be safe with them. All those max power rating things mean is that the driver is at risk of damage at whatever volume it reaches at say 200mW which for the DJ would be 130 decibels or higher. 

post #1948 of 2041

I have to say the number don't fit together: Ultrasone states an SPL of 115dB. Normally that would mean @1mW... I seriously doubt that, we would all be deaf by now if they put out 115dB @1mW. The same wording is used with the Sig Pro, stating an SPL of 98dB (much more realistic), so I'd say 115dB may be the SPL max of the Sig DJ... but that would mean its distortion limits the output, not the power handling capacity (200mW would be about 22dB, so the Sig DJ would have only about 93dB @1mW -- don't think so, it would not work that good with mobile devices having such a low output).

 

Nevertheless: those numbers are not that important... they merely give a hint at possible combinations. And the Sig DJ works perfectly with mobile devices, sounds good when driven by a Phonitor... I don't want to ruin my hearing by testing out how much power I can put in: they can definitely play *much* louder than I consider a sane level for listening.

post #1949 of 2041

I just got my Sig DJ now,,,,,,,,,,,,

I remembered when I got my ATH-M50, Out of the box I wanted to throw them into the trash,,

The same thing is happening now with the Sig DJ,,, No near trash at this moment :(   So instead I will burn them :)

 

M50 vs out of the box Sig DJ (unburned), the DJ got more details, more sensitive, I heard few things I didn"t know they were existed in some tacks, but until now the M50 is the winner,,

Burn Baby Burn,,

post #1950 of 2041
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Originally Posted by BA_D_R View Post

I just got my Sig DJ now,,,,,,,,,,,,
I remembered when I got my ATH-M50, Out of the box I wanted to throw them into the trash,,
The same thing is happening now with the Sig DJ,,, No near trash at this moment frown.gif   So instead I will burn them smily_headphones1.gif

M50 vs out of the box Sig DJ (unburned), the DJ got more details, more sensitive, I heard few things I didn"t know they were existed in some tacks, but until now the M50 is the winner,,
Burn Baby Burn,,

Yep... Give em a week of listening and you will start to understand, after a few weeks you will be in heaven.
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