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No explanation necessary, but it's appreciated.  I get what you're articulating, but as stated above purely objective information simply doesn't paint a complete picture of the product in the headphone world.  I won't pretend to know the measurement process of loudspeakers as I have little interest in the technology, (I've come to understand that it's at a level of sophistication far beyond that of headphones) but I do pay attention to the advancements in the display technology arena.  Measurements of monitors/televisions are entirely standardized and every facet of its visual performance can be graphed to paint a complete whole.  With headphone reviews, it's still somewhat commonplace for one to state that the product "performs better/worse than measured" in any given attribute.  Heck, I have a KNS 8400 on my head right now and it sounds very different from the measurements that have posted. (my opinion, of course)  Point being, simply stating that there is a 'X'dB emphasis measured at 'Y'kHz isn't sufficiently informative given current resources.  I do, however, agree that using points of comparison (product 'X' has more ABC compared to 'Y') is an excellent approach to analysis.

 

You didn't quite get my point. It's not only measurements like Tyll does that I count as objective. Subjective analyzement that compares headphones vs others I'd still at least concider at least "semi-objective", it's just how the info is presented which can be either subjective or objective. What's bad in a review is to take his/her own subjective preferences as objective truth which I find this reviewer doing, ie. what he likes is "the truth". For example myself based on testing I seem to prefer a bass boost of about 8~10dB ideally which is more than what this reviewer prefers for example. 

 

If I would write a review with the same perspective I would be bashing a headphone with 4dB bass boost as it's not bassy enough and therefore it sucks! xD When writing a review you should learn to disregard your own personal tastes and not let that reflect the opinion of the headphone. Tyll does this very well, so does jokerl on this site etc. What is relevant how the headphones compares like in different aspects. This particular review was made by some1 who hasn't got experience with bassier headphones so he may not necessary be very familiar with how very bassheavy headphones behave like. For some this bassheavy quantity is preferred, the relevant is how well it compares in other aspects especially against somewhat similar headphones. For example Tyll put it as "the best basshead headphone", ie. it probably do very well for packing such a quantity of bass when that is put aside and you compare it versus other bassy headphones. That is the selling point of this headphone IMO, bassy but still quite/very detailed.

 

But let's draw a stop to this discussion, it belongs to the sound science section and is offtopic for this thread. I certainly have no desire to bring this any further.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 11/22/12 at 5:00am
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You didn't quite get my point.

 

Incorrect.

 


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But let's draw a stop to this discussion...

 

Aye.

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Without further ado, I present a massive photo dump with varying image quality and processing.

Those with slow connections, don't be alarmed - I compressed every picture in the set; most of the pictures average ~200kB.

 

 

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@Above pictures, oh boy that crack looks nasty... what happened?! i hope thats not a design flaw =/ i pre-ordered mine already...

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@Above pictures, oh boy that crack looks nasty... what happened?! i hope thats not a design flaw =/ i pre-ordered mine already...

 

Looks like the classic "too tight"-screw issue plagued on original LPs too which were later on fixed (not as tightly fastened). Oh well screwing down something directly against plastic is never a good idea in my book, washers in-between (rubber would be nice) would already take care of it as it would put the pressure onto a bigger area/even it out so it would greatly reduce the chance of happening. Would be nice if the wings could be made out of aluminium or something for Revolver. :)


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 11/22/12 at 1:51pm
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I do love their pictures of m-100 though. In fact, I just called V-moda and changed my order to matte black. They just look so ** sexy in these pictures of that review, much cooler than shadow ones.
I did not feel any disappointment from their reviews. well...the major conclusions that I draw from their articles are pretty similar to Tyll's review. They just choose to use more hostile or more offensive words about Head-fi and m-100 to express their feelings. BUT the conclusion is that: m-100 is a well-build high end Consumer Grade headphone with super bass and sound stage and it's not for everyone especially for those aimed at an analytically headphone. well....that's pretty much what Tyll said and my expectation...I honestly do not need my portable headphone to be analytical or super neutral. I want it to be...well...fistly..portable and then bass-emphasized and balanced in general. I think m-100 could do the job even based on Headfonia's review....


I like the red accents on the Shadows, and the red writing, but prefer the matt for the plastics... I kind of think the shadows with the reflective plastic may make the headphones look cheaper than they are. I'm hoping not though...

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I like the red accents on the Shadows, and the red writing, but prefer the matt for the plastics... I kind of think the shadows with the reflective plastic may make the headphones look cheaper than they are. I'm hoping not though...
Yean, the reflective plastic is the pain for shadow black...but the real thing may not be as sparkly as it in these pictures...then it'll be ok....
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Is it me or do i see some sort of quality issue with the white models that seem to have issues with cracking. Well at least i know miceblue also posted cracks around his white m100s as well and i rem seeing more pictures and they were all white models ??? On another note when will Jude post his review ? Anyone know ? 


Edited by Jerryberry - 11/23/12 at 2:43am
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Is it me or do i see some sort of quality issue with the white models that seem to have issues with cracking. Well at least i know miceblue also posted cracks around his white m100s as well and i rem seeing more pictures and they were all white models ??? On another note when will Jude post his review ? Anyone know ? 

 

 

A little surprised to see this cracking issue.  Especially given that all of the reviews speak of fantastic build quality.  Hopefully it is not pervasive.  

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Is it me or do i see some sort of quality issue with the white models that seem to have issues with cracking. Well at least i know miceblue also posted cracks around his white m100s as well and i rem seeing more pictures and they were all white models ??? On another note when will Jude post his review ? Anyone know ? 

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A little surprised to see this cracking issue.  Especially given that all of the reviews speak of fantastic build quality.  Hopefully it is not pervasive.  

I can only speak from my experience, but I own the white and have no quality issues. In fact, I find my M-100 quite durable compared to other headphones I have owned and am using them constantly in the home and on the go.
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@Crack issues.. I sure do hope that they address this concern soon near those bolted areas before the shipping of the second batch of m-100's. I would hate to see that happen to me so soon.

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@Crack issues.. I sure do hope that they address this concern soon near those bolted areas before the shipping of the second batch of m-100's. I would hate to see that happen to me so soon.


V-MODA uses a material called ABCP® (Anything But Circles & Plastic) for their plastic pieces. The plastic on my earcups is cracking due to screwing in the shields' hex screws too tightly. The same thing can happen to the wingplates near the adjustable headband as that part of the headphone receives a lot of stress from flexing the headband. Opening up the wingplates also reveals that they're pretty stuffed with the materials underneath it, which doesn't help with the stress relief.

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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post


V-MODA uses a material called ABCP® (Anything But Circles & Plastic) for their plastic pieces. The plastic on my earcups is cracking due to screwing in the shields' hex screws too tightly. The same thing can happen to the wingplates near the adjustable headband as that part of the headphone receives a lot of stress from flexing the headband. Opening up the wingplates also reveals that they're pretty stuffed with the materials underneath it, which doesn't help with the stress relief.


ABCP is Val's vision for fashion headphones, not a type of plastic.  The plastic breaking because of screws being too tight is nothing new in a product.  The only thing that is a little troublesome is that the design appears to be this picky about it (which is still not a big deal since we are talking about a sub 1% reported number so far).  Usually there is plenty of extra support and small enough screws that you have lots of slack in the screw torque.  It appears as though this may not be the case on our first run units, or the air screwdrivers that they most likely use were set to too high of a torque, which I have seen on numerous early production product runs.

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this or Momentum, so confused still.
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Originally Posted by MRiNiCK View Post

this or Momentum, so confused still.

I have heard both. For me, M-100 by a mile.
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