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Originally Posted by xnor View Post

According to the theory (http://www.head-fi.org/t/668238/headphones-sensitivity-impedance-required-v-i-p-amplifier-gain) it should be around -35 dB to -20 dB depending on what music you listen to. For ZxR you should have to subtract another 10 dB with high gain.

In Vista/7 you can open the Windows Sound control panel -> properties of your playback device -> level -> right click the slider and select decibel instead of percent. wink.gif
I'm at -34,6 dB (10%), yet I have to use ACM to lower it much farther because without it set to around 50%-66%, it would blast my ears to kingdom come. ACM even at 100% still lowers the volume a bit. Without ACM, I'd have to use -45 dB to -50 dB (< ~5%). When using it through line out that is.
Edited by Anarion - 8/1/13 at 4:57pm
post #797 of 2386
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Originally Posted by xnor View Post

According to the theory (http://www.head-fi.org/t/668238/headphones-sensitivity-impedance-required-v-i-p-amplifier-gain) it should be around -35 dB to -20 dB depending on what music you listen to. For ZxR you should have to subtract another 10 dB with high gain.

 

In Vista/7 you can open the Windows Sound control panel -> properties of your playback device -> level -> right click the slider and select decibel instead of percent. wink.gif

Im a bit confused by this.  For headphones out, wouldnt the only way to control the audio level be through windows? (not including the ACM which has already been shown to cause unwanted degradation in signal for a lot of people).  So wouldnt the windows volume depend on your own listening levels and fatigue?  

 

And for line out, why not just leave it at 100% and then control the volume through the speakers volume knob?

 

 

EDIT:  Nvm, Aarion I just read your newer post about you having the windows volume set at 10%.  Thats pretty insane how loud your headphones are driven, but then again they are 50 ohm right?  So i guess pretty easy to drive by the headamp.

 

My DT 770 250 ohm are usually at 30-50% depending on what game or music is playing.  


Edited by DJINFERNO806 - 8/2/13 at 2:41am
post #798 of 2386

With the ZO2.1 amp I'm using I would also have to be at like 9-10% if amp volume is maxed on the ZxR with the 64 ohm Q40 headphones. Kind of scary how loud it would be at max vol (amp + source) xD

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Yeah, with a 2V source many headphones (as in the thread posted above) need negative gain, i.e. less than unity,  to reach dangerous levels especially with compressed (electronica, pop, metal ...) music.

post #800 of 2386

Ive got the HD598's and i use 23% windows volume, although, my foobar is at 20% on top of that.

post #801 of 2386
^^How about if you do not limit the volume in Foobar? From my own experience HD 598's are tiny bit less sensitive but quite close.
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Originally Posted by DJINFERNO806 View Post

Im a bit confused by this.  For headphones out, wouldnt the only way to control the audio level be through windows? (not including the ACM which has already been shown to cause unwanted degradation in signal for a lot of people).  So wouldnt the windows volume depend on your own listening levels and fatigue?  

And for line out, why not just leave it at 100% and then control the volume through the speakers volume knob?


EDIT:  Nvm, Aarion I just read your newer post about you having the windows volume set at 10%.  Thats pretty insane how loud your headphones are driven, but then again they are 50 ohm right?  So i guess pretty easy to drive by the headamp.

My DT 770 250 ohm are usually at 30-50% depending on what game or music is playing.  
If I use the built in amp, 8% would be max and on top of that I'd have to set ACM to ~50%. Yeah, these are 50 ohm but the 112 dB SPL is probably the main issue. Makes me want to buy headphones that are nowhere near as sensitive. Why on earth they don't put an option to adjust the analogue gain down? I mean, this card defaults to 66% if I remember correctly. Even LOTR soundtrack will destroy your ears at that level.
Edited by Anarion - 8/2/13 at 11:21am
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What I don't get, especially when looking at that chart, is how I can use my Ultrasones at 50% for gaming or 25% for music (Foobar at 100%), all without the ACM. 
They're rated 116dB SPL, 40 ohms (though I remember 35 from somewhere else) and no, I'm not deaf :D

post #803 of 2386

Do you have the HFI 580 or 780?

post #804 of 2386

780s.

post #805 of 2386

Ok, do you have the Z/Zx or the ZxR and have you plugged the headphone in the rear hp-out, not line-out?

 

Because you should have to set the volume even lower than Anarion... confused_face_2.gif

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I will say this, the Z's headamp doesnt put out anywhere near the power as the ZXR(I had the Z before buying ZXR).  My DT 770 had to be at 70% with the Z to power games and music properly.  With the ZXR, I have to have it at 20-30% or I will blow my Ears to hell.

 

Im assuming he has the ZXR.

post #807 of 2386

Yes, I'm using the ZXR. I tried both the line-out and the headphone out and stayed with the latter due to positional audio in combination with SBX (felt off when using line outs).

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Originally Posted by Radical_53 View Post

What I don't get, especially when looking at that chart, is how I can use my Ultrasones at 50% for gaming or 25% for music (Foobar at 100%), all without the ACM. 

They're rated 116dB SPL, 40 ohms (though I remember 35 from somewhere else) and no, I'm not deaf biggrin.gif
O_O I guess there's something else too than just ohm rating and SPL. At 25% I could use these as speakers (through line out unamped), even with ACM (set to 100% though).
Edited by Anarion - 8/3/13 at 9:00am
post #809 of 2386

I'm speechless as well. Something's completely off.

post #810 of 2386

How many of you have this  series of sound card and like (or hate) it? I have an HT Omega Claro, and it has served me well, but I am getting the itch to upgrade. Are you happy with your Z series Creative card?

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