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post #2011 of 3391

Wow, I just received my ZXR today and completely agree with the guy saying it's ****.

 

I'm using CS 1.6 for testing because CSGO sound is awful. I've been playing 1.6 for 8+ years with an xfi extreme gamer, AD700's, Alchemy, 5.1 on windows, and headphones on SB control panel. I also turn the bass on windows to minimum and raise the treble a bit.

 

I tried the ZXR at first with the same settings and "surround" checked under "SBX pro studio" tab and the sound was terrible. I have bass on 0%, Crossover Frequency on 700. Unchecking "Bass" is terrible (ridiculously strong bass). Smart Volume and Dialog Plus are unchecked. Scout mode off, EQ off.

 

I tried setting windows to stereo instead of 5.1 but didn't see a difference. I unchecked "surround" and it sounded a bit better. I was about to uninstall and remove the card and figured I'd try without alchemy and with "surround" checked.

 

I guess Alchemy is no longer needed with this card because without alchemy it sounds a lot better. But still this is definitely a downgrade from the now $50 extreme gamer card.

Sound is more muffled rather than crisp (even with crystallizer on), distance is not as obvious, and front vs behind is even worse.

With "SBX Pro Studio" power button deactivated, and with or without Alchemy, the sound is still bad. The bass is also so strong under this setting that it hurts my ears even when my volume is so low that I can only just hear other ingame sounds.

 

I also tried moving the "Surround" slider back and forth, but anything other than default just sounds strange.

 

The mic on the ACM can be set to not pickup loud noise (in mumble with voice activity – amplitude) from a keyboard (cherry brown) that is right next to it, but everyone tells me the quality is horrible. I have "noise reduction" checked because otherwise there is a loud static sound. "Acoustic echo cancelation", "FX", and "Smart Volume" are unchecked. "Focus" is set to minimum.

 

I will keep the card in for a couple of days to see if anyone has any suggestions for me to try.

 

Oh, I'm also using the driver that was on the CD. I didn't upgrade to the win8.1 driver as I'm on win7 x64.

post #2012 of 3391

ACM mic is BS really :) And if You connecting headphones to ACM You could try to connect it directly into card? And check SQ then? And how it sound in music to Your ears?

 

Still You should try wipe out all drivers and use latest one from the support page. Also check headphone gain setting. And bass, with my set up i never felt too-much bass, maybe even bit lack of bass. Still drivers is the only option that could change something if You walked through set-up and nothing helped. 

 

And maybe some cards are really broken? As it seems strange that some people have huge problem and other does not. And it is not like "i hoped it would sound better" but "horrible" it really seems that hardware could be the problem. 

post #2013 of 3391

@max: Sounds like you've gotten used to sh*tty sound and now you want to reproduce it. Guess that doesn't work out. Just get rid of the card and use your old one.

 

Why did you want to exchange it in the first place? And what's the trick behind using headphones with light bass *and* a very low bass setting in Windows? "Pro" gamer stuff? :D Maybe scout mode is something for you then.

post #2014 of 3391

One thing I have noticed from playing with SBX Surround on my 5.1 setup is that when you go between 38% and 42% there is a huge change in the speaker levels.  Once you pass 40% and further you are pulling a lot of the sound to the center channel and to me this make it useless even though I own a $400 center channel speaker I don't want it all out of the center.  So I run around 38% and I get good ambience from the center channel, but my stereo and surround are all still playing semi-equal roles.

post #2015 of 3391

Gain is Normal/default (32/300 ohm). I have both my speakers and headphones connected directly to the card. I'm only using the mic on the ACM.

 

On music/video I would agree with you that it seems to lack bass. The bass settings for this card seem really subpar. You cannot adjust bass & treble through the Windows 7 audio control panel, and the bass adjustments in the creative control panel don't get me near as good sounding bass as my xfi extremegamer card did with the addition of the Window's bass control.

 

Music/video sounds just "ok". Even this was better on my xtremegamer though.

 

It could possibly be a hardware issue but I don't know if I'd want to bother RMAing it when there are no errors or other signs of the card being defective besides subpar sound.

I will try updating the driver I suppose.

 

 

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Sounds like you've gotten used to sh*tty sound and now you want to reproduce it.

I don't think that's the case. If something sounds better you should be able to tell. I played with onboard sound for a long time and could clearly tell that the xtremegamer soundcard was a huge upgrade.

 

 

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Why did you want to exchange it in the first place?

Just upgrading my system. Xtremegamer is an old card so I figured this new one that costs 4x the price should be a decent upgrade. I'm also planning on upgrading from ad700's to the q701 and I read good stuff about the q701 & zxr combo.
I was also interested in the crystal voice abilities to block out noise when using speakers as well as the beam forming setting to block out keyboard noise when using voice detection.

 

 

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And what's the trick behind using headphones with light bass *and* a very low bass setting in Windows? "Pro" gamer stuff?

Yeah. If you're looking for immersion in a single player game I wouldn't lower the bass. But CS 1.6 is/was an esports game and footstep clarity is dampened when you leave the bass at default/medium.
I actually noticed that in CSGO bass enhances the audio and doesn't seem to have as much of a detrimental effect to positional audio as it does in 1.6, so I'd actually put the bass back to medium for CSGO.

post #2016 of 3391

As I said, try out scout mode. Sounds like it's for you. Maybe you should even try the Crystalizer for music. Maybe you'll find the old card's signature there somewhere.

 

I never change EQ or gamma to play competitively. More fun to play with "straight" sound, just like normal "rich" graphics.

post #2017 of 3391

A built-in amp is less hassle and, supposedly, the better bang for the buck. It also keeps you from upgrading your amp every now and then ;) 

post #2018 of 3391
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Originally Posted by NoOneLt View Post
 

I am starting to think there are several trolls that show up under different nicks with no post history and blame ZxR for all sins in the world and being worse upgrade ever :))

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/IamMaximilianKohler

 

This is me. I'm not a random "troll" account.

 

Like I said, I'm leaving in the card for a few days in case anyone has any suggestions for me to try. But currently this card seems to be a major downgrade from my xfi extremegamer when it comes to surround sound in games when using headphones.

post #2019 of 3391

You need to take time to mess with the card, I was unhappy with mines at start.

 

Its different and not better in all respects than the X-Fi and EAX 3DSound etc.

 

The way you have came across in your OP here and on about 4 other sites (exact same post) is the problem.

 

And the guy who calls anyone who does not like the card a Troll above can be ignored as I have set him to.

 

This site has a few helpful peeps but come across a bit better to be taken seriously.


Edited by helmutcheese - 2/28/14 at 7:13pm
post #2020 of 3391

You are all welcome to this thread. I, for one am out. I've helped people and that was because others had helped me, so in turn I did the same:  please note that they were considerate, knowledgeable and helpful. Please do the same. It's called quality control.

 

Me? I'm uber happy with my gear. Torch is yours guys... don't fumble it. Cya cheesies.......Byeeeeeeeeeeee.

 

**Edit** : Do a search .. everything you need to know is contained in this thread.


Edited by SaLX - 2/28/14 at 9:45pm
post #2021 of 3391
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxKohler View Post
 

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/IamMaximilianKohler

 

This is me. I'm not a random "troll" account.

 

Like I said, I'm leaving in the card for a few days in case anyone has any suggestions for me to try. But currently this card seems to be a major downgrade from my xfi extremegamer when it comes to surround sound in games when using headphones.

You should call it different, CMSS-3D in X-Fi and SBX surround is different techs. and different people like it different, same with DolbyHeadphone. It can't be compared directly as it can not be measured. 

 

Check several pages back, there one guy have link to comparison of different surround modes.Try to listen to recordings.

 

And what You can try with headphones:

1. Latest drivers and wipe out old ones.

2. CS seems not to use any EAX so don't bother with alchemy ans stuff.

3. While in Pro Studio You have headphones, check windows settings, speaker should be set to 5.1 (check this in game too if there is option)

4. Turn off every encasement then try to play with surround slider set to different values.

5. You can also try to use scout mode in addition as it seems hardcore gaming is a goal.

6. Then You can try to play with EQ not bass settings to get bass/treble the way You want.

 

UPDATE: This will make no use according to posts below, as seems CS do not support surround sound, so no use of SBX surround then, as it brings multichannel from game/movie to headphones as stereo signal but makes it sound as virtual surround


Edited by NoOneLt - 3/1/14 at 1:17am
post #2022 of 3391

 

this 

 

goldsrc has no EAX and quadraphonic  support for over a year now, they screwed up their own engine back in february 2013, where have you been man ?? 

post #2023 of 3391

Hmm, googled some after @SoFGR post, found this http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3078555, i can't find exact information what sound output GoldSource can provide, but if it is stereo only then turning SBX surround will definately will make it sound worse.

Don't know why they (in the link) write that with EAX quadraphonic is gone, as EAX don't do surround, only effects, but if in addition quadraphonic is gone so no true surround can be found here. Best You can try then is to turn off surround and turn on scout mode, it should bring footsteps sound in front of other if it works correctly (i don't use it, and believe same can be achieved wit EQ) but i'am mostly casual BF4 and other FPS player and turning surround to 50% and if game engine is capable of outputting 5.1 sound make headphone surround quiet good. 


Edited by NoOneLt - 3/1/14 at 1:21am
post #2024 of 3391

Guys, to clarify:

 

It sounds better with SBX surround on.

 

With my xtremegamer the game sounds better with Alchemy enabled.

 

With the ZXR it sounds better without Alchemy.

 

There is noticeable improvement with the ZXR if I uncheck "bass", and use the EQ to reduce the bass instead.

 

Quote:
goldsrc has no EAX and quadraphonic  support for over a year now, they screwed up their own engine back in february 2013, where have you been man ??

I followed those updates they did last year, but it didn't effect my sound at all. EAX was always buggy anyway and I didn't use it ingame.

 

 

Hmm, my sound is just randomly dying till I restart my computer... so maybe there is something wrong with my card. I'll try the new driver.

post #2025 of 3391
Quote:

Hmm, my sound is just randomly dying till I restart my computer... so maybe there is something wrong with my card. I'll try the new driver.

Had some weird situations, windows didn't detected card on start-up sometimes with card when inserted it into PCI-E X8 that is shared with PCI-E X16 for sli/crossfire, moved card to "normal" X1 slot and problems gone.

 

Quote:

Guys, to clarify:

 

It sounds better with SBX surround on.

But then it can be not so accurate, because if game outputs only two channels what SBX do is just try to artificially virtualize them (this can ruin positioning game try to give you), like music, when you listen to music with surround it does sound different/weird.


Edited by NoOneLt - 3/1/14 at 7:59am
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