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post #1276 of 2604
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Originally Posted by DJINFERNO806 View Post

^ that's been the general consensus since the beginning of this thread.

Looks like it's TiHD or STX for me. What's the consensus between those?
post #1277 of 2604
Why not just keep the zxr but not use the ACM? I know its not the best value for your money, but its an option.

Those two will offer similar sound quality albeit very different features. The tihd won't have the same amping power as the stx though. The stx using the same TI amp as the zxr of course. Your best bet is to look up some reviews of the cards.
post #1278 of 2604
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Originally Posted by DJINFERNO806 View Post

Why not just keep the zxr but not use the ACM? I know its not the best value for your money, but its an option.

Those two will offer similar sound quality albeit very different features. The tihd won't have the same amping power as the stx though. The stx using the same TI amp as the zxr of course. Your best bet is to look up some reviews of the cards.

Since I'll be using an external amp anyway, looks like I'll be getting the TiHD. The refurb one is going for $100 at newegg right now, and I'm going to try to use my HD598 without an amp and even if I need an external amp it would sound better than the internal amp used with STX or ZXR. Even if I get a Magni along with the TiHD, it would still be cheaper.
post #1279 of 2604

So I have decided to sell my ZXR and go the external route with an Audio GD 15.32.  This would be the best option as I want to also use headphones with my console games too which right now I cannot.  Probably going to pick up a Z oem to use as optical out for PC gaming still though as I want SBX surround still.

 

Anyway I posted it over in the For Sale forums,

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/690001/sound-blaster-zxr-no-acm

post #1280 of 2604
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Originally Posted by DJINFERNO806 View Post
 

So I have decided to sell my ZXR and go the external route with an Audio GD 15.32.  This would be the best option as I want to also use headphones with my console games too which right now I cannot.  Probably going to pick up a Z oem to use as optical out for PC gaming still though as I want SBX surround still.

 

Anyway I posted it over in the For Sale forums,

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/690001/sound-blaster-zxr-no-acm

 

Will you be connecting the DAC/amp via USB at some point?

post #1281 of 2604
Nah probably not, unless I take the amp to another PC here and there. But mainly will be optical out
post #1282 of 2604
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Originally Posted by DJINFERNO806 View Post

Nah probably not, unless I take the amp to another PC here and there. But mainly will be optical out

 

Okay. Just bear in mind that you should be looking to get a dac with an isolated USB if you would ever consider using the USB port. I'm currently stuck with a noisy, non isolated 400 GBP irDac whereby I can hear my mouse scrolling in my headphones when I move it. Damn annoying.

post #1283 of 2604
Ya that's one thing I was definitely looking out for.

Over on the audio gd thread, nobody has complained about that using USB so I feel confident it should be OK.

Apparently the USB was confirmed to have it own separate voltage, not shared with the optical in. But I'll inquire when I email the guys.
post #1284 of 2604
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Originally Posted by DJINFERNO806 View Post

Ya that's one thing I was definitely looking out for.

Over on the audio gd thread, nobody has complained about that using USB so I feel confident it should be OK.

Apparently the USB was confirmed to have it own separate voltage, not shared with the optical in. But I'll inquire when I email the guys.

 

What it should have is an galvanic isolated USB input.

 

As you said, you'll be using optical so no worries there however it's always nice to know exactly what you are buying; you never know when your situation might change and you may want to use USB instead.

post #1285 of 2604

usb has less jitter than  optical mind you 

 

also, I think that it's much more practical to switch your dac over to "USB" input everytime you want to listen some music  on foobar with WASAPI  and then switch back to optical when you want to play some games with SBX surround on 

 

I used to switch DAC inputs all the time  when i had  x-fi for games and  modded hiface  for music, there was no need to fiddle with software / OS  settings. 

post #1286 of 2604
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Originally Posted by SoFGR View Post
 

usb has less jitter than  optical mind you 

 

also, I think that it's much more practical to switch your dac over to "USB" input everytime you want to listen some music  on foobar with WASAPI  and then switch back to optical when you want to play some games with SBX surround on 

 

I used to switch DAC inputs all the time  when i had  x-fi for games and  modded hiface  for music, there was no need to fiddle with software / OS  settings. 

 

Yes, this is exactly my setup. I have the irDac connected via USB for music and optical for games. No switching required. Just a damn pity they did not implement an isolated USB.

post #1287 of 2604
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Originally Posted by SoFGR View Post
 

usb has less jitter than  optical mind you 

 

Jitter should not be audible with any competent DAC implementation, regardless of whether it uses USB or S/PDIF input. On the other hand, ground loops can easily cause audible and annoying noise, like posted above. Although this is a problem mostly when the DAC and amplifier are in separate devices that are both grounded, such as a sound card in a PC and an external amplifier.


Edited by stv014 - 11/12/13 at 7:38am
post #1288 of 2604
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Originally Posted by stv014 View Post
 

 

Jitter should not be audible with any competent DAC implementation, regardless of whether it uses USB or S/PDIF input. On the other hand, ground loops can easily cause audible and annoying noise, like posted above. Although this is a problem mostly when the DAC and amplifier are in separate devices that are both grounded, such as a sound card in a PC and an external amplifier.

 

Yep, and so a ground loop occurs, which is my problem........

post #1289 of 2604

Ya i read a lot into jitter when I first started looking into external units and it seems most sources will tell you that on modern DAC IC's,what little jitter may occur while using optical is usually in the inaudible range.

 

However I dont have much experience using optical to begin with.  I run audio from my GPU via HDMI to my AVR for movis and my ZXR curently handles the headphone audio for gaming.  I never really had a reason to use optical especially with superior HDMI around.  

post #1290 of 2604

Got my TiHD today, apparently its output impedance is 36, worst than either ZXR (22) or STX (10). Does it get measured from the headphone jack or the RCA jack (does the RCA even have an output impedance)? If I plug my headphones via the RCA jack will it sound better?

 

Also, what's the consensus for external amps to be used with TiHD/ZXR/STX, I'm thinking Magni or E9/E09K. Is there anything that allows me to plug both my speakers and headphones through the amp, and the amp to be connected with the RCA out?


Edited by Solarium - 11/13/13 at 12:10pm
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