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post #1021 of 2278
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Originally Posted by DJINFERNO806 View Post

Well there are 3 types of cmss3d. Headphone is the hrtf one. The other 2 are virtual and surround I believe.

But one thing I don't get is why would you need cmss3d for openal then if its mixing it in hrtf on its own. Doesn't make sense to me. That why I went looking and found the above info from the creative forums. That's the only explanation I can think of.
If I remember correctly, without CMSS-3D you lacked MacroFX and Elevation Filter and probably HRTF too. That being said I always used stereo mode not headphone mode because I like 2.0 mode more. It probably is a bit different situation if one is using headphone or 2.0 stereo mode.
post #1022 of 2278
Well then it stands to be asked, what's creating hrtf on the z series when using openal games. One of the modes of cmss3d created 5.1 channels from 3d coordinates instead of hrtf. We might be getting that, then down mixed back to hrtf via sbx.
post #1023 of 2278

If the STX and ZxR are 'similar' in design, why does the STX have three replaceable OP-AMPs and the ZxR four? The STX uses all dual's whereas according to the link below, the ZxR uses a mix of duals and singles.

 

http://support.creative.com/kb/ShowArticle.aspx?sid=112623

 

From the The Xonar Essence STX Q/A, tweaking, impressions thread:

 

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Q: What's the deal with interchangeable opamps?
A: The card has 3 swappable 8-pin dual opamps. The two matched I/V opamps impact the headphone out alone, while the 3rd "buffer" opamp impacts the RCA out. If you are only using the headphone out you only have to worry about the 2 I/V opamps. They can be removed and replaced using your fingers, a small flathead screwdriver, needle nose pliers, etc.

 

Wish there was a thread similar to this for the Soundblaster ZxR. Would just using the examples for the STX suffice?

post #1024 of 2278

Hows it going everyone?

 

I am thinking about buying a pair of Sennheiser HD600/650s and I was thinking that my soundblaster Z might not actually be able to power them well. So I have come to the conclusion that I might need to ditch the soundblaster, wish I wouldn't HAVE to. I was thinking about whether or not if I hooked up a Fiio D03K or a D07 I would be able to keep the soundblaster z in the loop for SBX surround?

 

I first contacted Creative, but they were just trying to convince me that the amp on the card will be able to pretty much drive any headphone up to 600 ohms, which you guys have pretty much proven to be fluff. 

post #1025 of 2278
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Originally Posted by DJINFERNO806 View Post

So it seems pretty useable without double amping eh?  At least for your cans.  Hows the clarity in the sound, is the noise floor as bad as some say?(on its own)
Well, the two headphones I'm mainly using now, the Q701 and K712, have fairly lower sensitivity and manage to dampen background noise to something more like an impression than something you actually hear, but I've also used it with ATH-AD700, MDR MA900, and V-MODA M-100, and background noise wasn't apparent. Mixamps (especially the new ones) and the Tritton decoder box have audible background hiss. The Recon3D USB is a bit shy on current for the AKGs to provide optimal separation and prevent distortion which takes the form of occasionally fatiguing glare (seems like this is less of an issue with the K712), but it works in a pinch/case of laziness, and does a fine job when you double-amp the headphone out.

To anyone "afraid" to connect an amp to the headphone out of a Creative product... don't knock it till you've tried it.

I like and use the Recon3D USB because it works with my Xbox, Windows, and Mac. Creative was hinting that they were working on a replacement device to fulfill these needs, but I'm disappointed that there hasn't been anything else to serve these sources.
Edited by Evshrug - 10/15/13 at 11:23pm
post #1026 of 2278
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Originally Posted by SaLX View Post

If the STX and ZxR are 'similar' in design, why does the STX have three replaceable OP-AMPs and the ZxR four? The STX uses all dual's whereas according to the link below, the ZxR uses a mix of duals and singles.

http://support.creative.com/kb/ShowArticle.aspx?sid=112623

From the The Xonar Essence STX Q/A, tweaking, impressions thread:


Wish there was a thread similar to this for the Soundblaster ZxR. Would just using the examples for the STX suffice?

Well I know using singles is considered better due to less crosstalk and/or being able to use separate power supplies to each. But I know that modern duals are manufactured really well now(separate from each other) so that its hard to even hear a difference anymore. This is from my understanding anyway.

But I'm confused about a few things.

Why do you need 2 dual I/v opamps for headphones? Clearly these wouldn't be in series because both channel's currents would already be converted to voltage after the first op amp no?

And why wouldn't the rca need an I/V op amp?

If somebody could clear this up I'd much appreciate it.
post #1027 of 2278

Does anyone in here have the time to upload the ISO of the SB Z(xr) installation CD? I can't finde mine somehow. 

post #1028 of 2278

Hello All

 

I currently have the Xonar STX and was thinking of going the Creative route for gaming.

 

Now, I'm going to be buying a separate DAC so all I really need the Creative for is the surround sound processing.

 

I'm not convinced with the STX drivers and the've not been updated for couple of years.

 

Are the creative drivers that much better and would it be worth my time going to Creative Z series for gaming sound? I guess I could buy the cheapest Z card since all I need is the audio processing?

post #1029 of 2278
So I assume you just want to output optical to your DAC/amp?

Go with the z then the cheapest since you won't need any of the analogue high end components from the zxr.

IMHO z drivers and surround are way better than xonar lineup. Look around the web, almost all are pleased with sbx surround. I've yet to read anything negative on that end.
post #1030 of 2278
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Originally Posted by DJINFERNO806 View Post

So I assume you just want to output optical to your DAC/amp?

Go with the z then the cheapest since you won't need any of the analogue high end components from the zxr.

IMHO z drivers and surround are way better than xonar lineup. Look around the web, almost all are pleased with sbx surround. I've yet to read anything negative on that end.


Thanks for the reply.

 

Yes, I want to connect the Xbox to this card, and then connect my PC and xbox (via the Creative Z) to my external DAC.

 

Can the optical output 5.1 sound including all the Creative effects? I cannot find any mention of this in the manual.


Edited by Bloodflowerz - 10/16/13 at 7:56am
post #1031 of 2278

well according to users here and over on other forums, it can output SBX effects over optical out.

 

5.1 output wont be an issue as the card can encode using dolby live or dts connect.  But I will mention some users are having audio delay issues when doing this.  I haven't tried my daughter board yet so I cant really say.

post #1032 of 2278

So some people have reported SBX effects work over optical out? That is good I hope that I wouldn't have to get rid of the soundblaster from my loop. Do you by chance know/remember any of the dacs that they said does work with it? I was looking at the D03k because it is the pretty much the cheapest spdif dac you can try without breaking the bank.

post #1033 of 2278
If it does indeed output sbx effects through optical then any DAC will work. Its just 2 channel audio going to it, nothing special.

But if your sending encoded Dolby 5.1 then it probably won't work since most DACs cant decode Dolby. But you only need Dolby if you want to send 5.1, not needed for headphones.

@Bloodflowerz, sorry I should have mentioned that you would need to send 2 channel sound to your DAC unless it supports Dolby decoding.
post #1034 of 2278

Hmm, that is good then. Creative support was trying to tell me that because optical out only carries pcm signals that you couldn't use the SBX surround effects, which didn't make too much sense since I thought the sbx effects would technically be pcm as it was converting 5.1 to 2.0 basically. I guess I will try and do some more research on the whole thing then.

 

If someone is looking for a spdif DACthat supports Dolby and DTS, the Fiio D07 supports all that. 

post #1035 of 2278
^ that's awesome.. I didn't know the fiio line supported Dolby. Good to know.

Regardless of whether it can only carry pcm(Dolby and DTS also) I don't what that has to do with sbx. Lol. As far as I know, after the sbz is done processing everything and mixing it together, doesn't it go to the DAC as pcm anyway?

Correct me if I'm wrong. Although I don't trust creative customer reps who barely know the inner workings of a sandwich let alone a sound card lol.

Also just so you guys know if you are outputting optical with the sole reason of using headphones then you don't need to encode anything, optical supports full stereo pcm.
Edited by DJINFERNO806 - 10/16/13 at 12:22pm
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