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post #5071 of 5077

Also, I bought an Audio-Quest Forest cable for my M-stage, and it surely changes things compared to the other cable I was using. It really is different, less bright and less detail with the AQ cable.

post #5072 of 5077
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If you wanna bring that out as a general message, be my guest, maybe you will convince some people of it. Don't bother with me though.

Cable does make a difference with the x1. Souce components aa well.
post #5073 of 5077
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Change the cable for lower impedance OFC and use somekind of amp with max ~500mW output. Tube amp and tube buffered DAC preferred ;) 


 

wat

 

No you don't get it. One needs to believe in that kind of stuff for it to actually work. And I don't.

Belive what You want. I also didn`t belive in that cable stuff before I just tried it out with X1 and measured impedance after hearing difference. In most cases cable makes almost no difference but when it comes to high impedance cable like X1 stock cable, then changing it for better low-impedance actually works. I`m not the only one saying it. Take a look at X1 users stock cable impedances and impressions: http://www.head-fi.org/t/623013/new-philips-fidelio-x1/4320#post_10475263 ...there are more impressions an opinions on this but I just stopped adding them to post. Even Tyll @ innerfidelity mentioned in X1 review that X1 stock cable impedance is too high and could benefit from better cable. 

About amping, X1 max input is ~500mW and my own experience says that noticeable larger input mW makes its sound somewhat bloated. Again I`m not only person mentioning this.

Same goes for "tubey" sound added to X1 with tube amp or tube buffered dac.

 

Now, if You don`t belive it, fine, your choice but don`t make it as "belive" thing when practical tests and others ppl ears also confirm it.


Edited by CoiL - Yesterday at 11:28 pm
post #5074 of 5077

No, actually what Tyll said was, that the impedance of the cable was noticeably high, to the point that it might affect sound. As a result, we have many people flailing their arms, claiming that other cables definitely hugely improve sound.

 

But... there are also people who have said that it might just be a placebo effect, that they are not sure they can tell a difference.

 

So what we need is some proper blind testing to figure out if the cable does make a difference.

 

But ofcourse there have not been done any blind tests :). So that leaves me very skeptic of the belief that it makes a difference.

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Belive what You want. I also didn`t belive in that cable stuff before I just tried it out with X1 and measured impedance after hearing difference. In most cases cable makes almost no difference but when it comes to high impedance cable like X1 stock cable, then changing it for better low-impedance actually works. I`m not the only one saying it. Take a look at X1 users stock cable impedances and impressions: http://www.head-fi.org/t/623013/new-philips-fidelio-x1/4320#post_10475263 ...there are more impressions an opinions on this but I just stopped adding them to post. Even Tyll @ innerfidelity mentioned in X1 review that X1 stock cable impedance is too high and could benefit from better cable. 

About amping, X1 max input is ~500mW and my own experience says that noticeable larger input mW makes its sound somewhat bloated. Again I`m not only person mentioning this.

Same goes for "tubey" sound added to X1 with tube amp or tube buffered dac.

 

Now, if You don`t belive it, fine, your choice but don`t make it as "belive" thing when practical tests and others ppl ears also confirm it.

 

The max input has nothing to do with sound quality. Do you even understand power requirements? You think philips would put guidelines on the box that relate to subjective impressions? What if someone liked that 'bloat' and took it for 'great bass'? Philips would be making recommendations that would only serve to confuse and alienate customers.

 

No. The point of the max input is that the X1 is a very sensitive headphone. If you have a huge mothertrucking amp with crazy output, it's very easy to make the mistake of damaging the X1 by turning up the volume too much. Not to mention, under the condition that you can only use a very small portion of the amp's power, you're prone to channel imbalance issues and other types of distortion - signal to noise ratio tends to be worse the lower the volume. But it's arguably a safety regulation more than anything, and it has very little to do with 'bloat' or other subjective impressions of sound.

post #5077 of 5077

Theoretics stay theoretics. I believe in practics. I did my "blind" test and difference was(is) very noticeable. I`m not only X1 user hearing it. If You won`t belive experience of many X1 users and follow only Your own blind belief then I don`t know what more to say. Won`t discuss with You about this subject anymore since it seems pointless and I really do not care about Your opinion. Belive what You want. Was just sharing some real world experience with X1 ;)


Edited by CoiL - Today at 8:26 am
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