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post #4921 of 4926
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Originally Posted by CoiL View Post
 

Look at the end of my cable measurements & impressions post: http://www.head-fi.org/t/623013/new-philips-fidelio-x1/4320#post_10475263

 

lead resistance isn when you ground both the red and black meter cable? mine is 0.8.

 

Stock Cable:

ground to ground  - 1.8 ohms

ground to terminal 1 loop - 1.7 ohms

ground to terminal 2 loop - 1.8 ohms

ground - terminal 1 through left driver - 35.0 ohms

ground - terminal 2 through right driver - 34.8 ohms

 

I also used the sony extra cord, which has 1.4 measure -.08 = .06 omhs resistance? I can only notice a slight tightness in bass, nothing more. details and reproduction of everything from lows to high are pretty much all the same.

 

gold plated 1.0m auxilary 3.5m-3.5m cable, $1.80 from a mobile phone accesory shop.

ground to ground  -  0.8 ohms

ground to terminal 1 loop - 0.8 ohms

ground to terminal 2 loop - 0.7 ohms

ground - terminal 1 through left driver - 32.8 ohms

ground - terminal 2 through right driver - 33.1 ohms

 

also have a non gold plated for 1$ it measure mostly 3.4~3.5.


Edited by wigglepuff - Yesterday at 6:07 am
post #4922 of 4926

Oh my god

 

These headphones are amazing! Haven't listened many songs yet but listened some deadmau5 and they really blew my mind just using stock cable and onboard audio. Compared them to my razers megalodon (overpriced crap) and I have never realised how flat they're.

I'm not sure if I should try them with another cable or not just using onboard audio as jodgey4 stated that it matters more when using amp. The test would cost like 10 bucks tops though. How does the cable affect the sound anyways?

 

I'm currently very happy with onboard audio (motherboard asus M4A87TD/USB3) but would xonar dgx change the sound by alot? I'm not really interested buying it if the change is minor. 

 

Thanks for all your help guys!

Definitely recommending these headphones! :L3000: 


Edited by Panzo - Yesterday at 8:00 am
post #4923 of 4926
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Originally Posted by wigglepuff View Post
 

gold plated 1.0m auxilary 3.5m-3.5m cable, $1.80 from a mobile phone accesory shop.

ground to ground  -  0.8 ohms

ground to terminal 1 loop - 0.8 ohms

ground to terminal 2 loop - 0.7 ohms

ground - terminal 1 through left driver - 32.8 ohms

ground - terminal 2 through right driver - 33.1 ohms

Thats good enough I think. Bass & kick tightness improvement is what You should hear. Maybe it`s related also with DAC and AMP but my X1 had also improvement in overall clarity.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Panzo View Post
 

I'm currently very happy with onboard audio (motherboard asus M4A87TD/USB3) but would xonar dgx change the sound by alot? I'm not really interested buying it if the change is minor. 

I haven`t had good match with onboard audio yet. Depending on DAC/AMP sound improvement could be very noticeable.

I don`t remember exactly atm but I think xonar dg had pretty high output impedance, though not so good match. Someone correct me if I`m wrong.

post #4924 of 4926
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Originally Posted by CoiL View Post
 

Thats good enough I think. Bass & kick tightness improvement is what You should hear. Maybe it`s related also with DAC and AMP but my X1 had also improvement in overall clarity.

but my stock cable isn't the updated one ins't it? I'm using the fiio e07k for the moment which adds more bass and treble to the already warm sounding X1? (not familiar of which term is correct) and (my onboard has really bad emi pickup) , I'm still waiting for the e11k or an updated version of the e17 to become available here in my area. If they dont match pretty well with the X1 then I'm probably getting a jds amp. well the e07k fits perfectly for my mdr 1r's sound profile and is portable so no waste there.

 

@panzo - try listening to it using a more neutral/flat amp (not familiar with all the terms), as the X1 is already warm? so a pairing of clean and distortion free amp would be be better (oboard has serious distortion, and you might already be used to listening to it thats why it sounds normal). with a serpate dac/amp outside of the pc or laptop there is little distortion and emi(noise) so you can listen to lower volume with more clarity and detail, also safer rather than going high volume and damaging your ears permanently (I think :/).


Edited by wigglepuff - Yesterday at 10:44 am
post #4925 of 4926
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Originally Posted by CoiL View Post
 

Thats good enough I think. Bass & kick tightness improvement is what You should hear. Maybe it`s related also with DAC and AMP but my X1 had also improvement in overall clarity.

 

 

I haven`t had good match with onboard audio yet. Depending on DAC/AMP sound improvement could be very noticeable.

I don`t remember exactly atm but I think xonar dg had pretty high output impedance, though not so good match. Someone correct me if I`m wrong.

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/PhilipsFidelioX1.pdf Still aimed at Panzo btw... Not to get too scary-science-y on ya, but do you see in the 'Electrical Impedance and Phase' graph where the pink line raises up? With a higher output impedance (amp+cable), you're getting less control on these regions and more bloating (which means excess volume and less detail). You generally want the output impedance (amp+cable) to be at least 1:8 of your cans or smaller. The Xonar DGX will provide more power and clarity certainly (it did for me and my brother), but the 30 ohms output impedance could cause some bloating. It's about one of the cheapest upgrades you can do though, soundcards are usually a good value b/c you've already paid for the power supply via your computer, and they're quite mass produced which makes them real cheap. Though, if you're patient, upgrading to a set-up with a dedicated amp section for lower impedance headphones would be best.

post #4926 of 4926

I'm finally getting hang of it (the meaning for cable switching and amping).

As I said I'm currently very happy with just onboard audio + stock cable but will eventually upgrade to amp so I could get the best out of them.

Thanks for being newbie friendly and explaining everything so a guy like me could understand!

No more stupid questions from me (except when I come back in future and ask help buying an amp) :beyersmile:

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