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post #4621 of 5820

natural upgrade path of the x1?

post #4622 of 5820
Honestly, the closed TH-600 is what I'd go to. Much better bass, more interesting treble, clearer mid, same open sound. And looks/comfort. Just as easy to drive, but also scales way better.
Edited by jodgey4 - 6/21/14 at 1:20pm
post #4623 of 5820
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Originally Posted by jodgey4 View Post

Honestly, the closed TH-600 is what I'd go to. Much better bass, more interesting treble, clearer mid, same open sound. And looks/comfort. Just as easy to drive, but also scales way better.

I already got the D2000, very similar I hear. Might be worth it if I wanna consolidate to one headphone.

post #4624 of 5820

I've heard that a good upgrade from the Fidelio X1 would be the Sennheiser HD 650. Although honestly, I think I'd be more partial to the HD 600 based on what I've heard about it. It's much more clear where the HD 650 has a more warm sound. I wouldn't describe the Fidelio X1s as warm. Beyond that, maybe the HiFiMAN HE-500. Then, either the Audeze LCD-2 or Sennheiser HD 800.

 

Those are all, of course, open headphones. I don't like the idea of comparing a closed headphone to the Fidelio X1 when considering an upgrade path. Not that it can't be done, but I feel you lose the magic of what makes the X1 so incredible to begin with. It's an awesome, bassy headphone despite being open and has a shockingly wide soundstage.

post #4625 of 5820
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Originally Posted by Dragonzeanse View Post

I don't like the idea of comparing a closed headphone to the Fidelio X1 when considering an upgrade path. Not that it can't be done, but I feel you lose the magic of what makes the X1 so incredible to begin with. It's an awesome, bassy headphone despite being open and has a shockingly wide soundstage.
Sounds to me like you need to audition the TH-600's. They're known for being very open sounding, and that's what I heard when I auditioned them. The HD650's are a little darker, but really a side-grade without taking the time to get the right amp. So, the TH-600 is next in line. And yes, I've tried all three. Those flagships aren't in line, I won't pick out why for each one but I could.
post #4626 of 5820

Uh no, the HD650 is not an upgrade to the X1. It's a sidegrade, they have entirely different signatures. The HD650 is a companion to the X1, not a replacement.

 

Upgrades that make sense -

 

Audeze LCD-2/X (though the 2 has a more similar signature to the X1)

HE-560 (from what I read thus far)

MrSpeakers Alpha Dog

TH600 (or TH900 if you've got the dough)

 

Now, remember that the X1 IS NOT a basshead headphone, a lot of people seems to have forgotten that lately.

post #4627 of 5820
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Originally Posted by benbenkr View Post

Uh no, the HD650 is not an upgrade to the X1. It's a sidegrade, they have entirely different signatures. The HD650 is a companion to the X1, not a replacement.

Upgrades that make sense -

Audeze LCD-2/X (though the 2 has a more similar signature to the X1)
HE-560 (from what I read thus far)
MrSpeakers Alpha Dog
TH600 (or TH900 if you've got the dough)

Now, remember that the X1 IS NOT a basshead headphone, a lot of people seems to have forgotten that lately.

400i rather than 560. And perhaps Mad Dog rather than Alpha. Rest is correct.
post #4628 of 5820

Hmm.. the Mad Dogs instead of the Alpha is debatable one. I do honestly believe that the Alpha seems like a more sensible upgrade though, not that the Mad Dogs isn't a step up or anything.

 

Haven't read much or even heard the 400i, so can't say anything about that but if that's your recommendation then solid point to you conquerator.

post #4629 of 5820
I recommended the MD simply because their nature is more akin to the X1, while AD is more reference with bass that is linear compared to the X1.
400i for the same reason, 560 is more reference sounding or neutral.

Granted they're both an upgrade but for a different signature.

I personally found the X1 warmer and bassier than my current 'reference' K612 by a significant margin.
Not basshead yeah, but approaching.
post #4630 of 5820
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Originally Posted by benbenkr View Post
 

Uh no, the HD650 is not an upgrade to the X1. It's a sidegrade, they have entirely different signatures. The HD650 is a companion to the X1, not a replacement.

 

Upgrades that make sense -

 

Audeze LCD-2/X (though the 2 has a more similar signature to the X1)

HE-560 (from what I read thus far)

MrSpeakers Alpha Dog

TH600 (or TH900 if you've got the dough)

 

Now, remember that the X1 IS NOT a basshead headphone, a lot of people seems to have forgotten that lately.


I never said it was? I said it was bassy, not a basshead headphone.


Edited by Dragonzeanse - 6/22/14 at 2:20am
post #4631 of 5820
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Originally Posted by benbenkr View Post
 

Uh no, the HD650 is not an upgrade to the X1. It's a sidegrade, they have entirely different signatures.

 

Not to my ears. The X1 has a very similar signature to the 650, but the 650 scales much higher with synergetic amping , whereas the X1 retains the same signature on all of my amps(pretty much).

post #4632 of 5820

I actually came from the Mad Dogs (Balanced) and listened briefly the AlphaDogs (Balanced) and Mad Dog's Pro (the one that is tuned a little bit more for my music's taste). Loved a lot about the Mad Dogs except the Bass. A very neutral headphone that I really don't consider an upgrade from the X1's. As a matter of fact, I feel as if the X1's were an upgrade to the Mad Dogs.

 

But just thought I would share my experience/opinion. 

 

I listen to Chillstep and related, Ambient, Deep House and related, Reggae, very little Rap....

post #4633 of 5820

Just listed my X1's in the classifieds, in case anybody is interested.

post #4634 of 5820

If i were using these with a onboard sound card, in my case a VIA VT1708S, would it be a good buy till I later get a amp/dac(o2d) to use them with? This might be a while, month or three... I'v heard they don't get much better with an AMP by itself, but a DAC would be a quality bump, is this true?

 

I have Sennheiser PC 360's now, but they are "not enough".... My a-Jays Three sound better, way better actually... Not sure if this is due to the "soundcard" or the a-Jays just being easier to drive.

 

I listen to all kinds of music, play games, and more... I need a "all arounder"


Edited by MiiX - 6/22/14 at 3:55pm
post #4635 of 5820
I am using onboard sound win my X1's, and while it does sound good I can tell they are under amped. Is it good enough to get me by? Sure I think so, but I have a sound blaster OMNI on the way to provide the amp and sound processing. You will be ok as a temporary solution if you plan to add amplification a few months down the road. How do you power your 360's?
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