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post #2791 of 4707
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Originally Posted by Kamakahah View Post
 

 

Great idea. In addition to building cables for members at cost, I should spend my hard earned money on trying to disprove every false claim that comes along to appease your sense of truth. And clearly there is a misunderstanding of what a hypothesis is because one was never stated. 

 

I realize that you are basically the resident troll. That's fine. You have a reputation to maintain so I don't take offense to your passive-aggressive "tone". I have nothing against you. I was simply pointing out what I saw and provided the reasoning for my position. 

 

Also, I also understand that the only actual reason for your response was to defend your friend Wayne. There is value in that. For that, you have my respect. However, It was unnecessary because my intent was never malicious. 

 

To answer your question (in bold). Please feel free to quote the part of any of my posts that I accused "ALL" the people that own Zu cables of advertising. So far, you are the only person to use that word. As a matter of fact, so far I have yet to accuse anyone of it. I said that they sounded "like they were trying to sell it" or "like an ad". I stand by those statements -- They did. 

 

See, here is the best part. I stated my opinion of the company and of the way I thought something sounded. That is otherwise known as an "opinion". As you might know, I actually don't have any need to justify my opinion. Now, if I had said "X members are all advertising for Zu cables and have ulterior motives", then it would only be reasonable to provide evidence of said statement. I made no such claim. 

 

Going to be frank here for clarity. You don't seem to hold any claim to this company. In fact, you've said things that would lead one to believe that you don't particularly trust their claims and practices either. So from that there are only a few possible reason for you to even respond. 1. For Wayne's defense (which you've already done). 2. Simply to be antagonistic.

 

I'm going to go with #1 as the reason and let it be the end of the conversation. 

 

Just to finalize, I don't think the information on Zu's site adequately or transparently explains their products and provides little to no explanation of their actual cable build to justify it being any different. Additionally, while Wayne isn't likely involved with Zu products in any way shape or form, he did offer up the product that I just explained seems shady. My reason for pointing out his post was to point out that the company has some discrepancies, not to hurt Wayne. 

 

"What is truth? It's true, if and only if it is actually the case". - me

Welp i guess it all goes back to the supposed "tone" of it all. I simply responded with the tone that i perceived as expressed via your post toward WAYNE. Guess i was tryin' to fight fire with fire in this case, BUT while i was typing up my post in defense of WAYNE, i didn't see what has transpired in all the subsequent posts. In fact what i posted was somewhat redundant cuz WAYNE had already clearly explained himself and ya'll had came to an understanding. I might have misinterpreted your initial tone as being malicious and i apologize for that if that was not your original intent. It just sounded to me that you were being a smart mouth and was accusing WAYNE of being a shill outta' the blue for no good reason at all.

 

Since this "misunderstanding" has been settled we can finally go back to talk about these X1s and their lovely cables.

 

See you don't have to spend all your money to disprove every false claim that comes along in order to appease my sense of truth, just this one time will suffice. :tongue_smile: In fact it's not even about me, this whole argument wasn't even about me to begin with, what it WAS about is getting the best sound outta' these X1s with the best cable. As a music/ gear lover like myself, WAYNE was merely trying to share what sounded best with his X1s, and these Zu cable as much trouble as it has already created, is worth the trouble tbh. Since you own a set of X1s yourself i just want you to hear them at their best, and if you are willing to spend $15 on some cable plug for a DIY project, c'mon meng $40 for a cable shipped is chump change. Not telling you how you should spend your money but.......... we're only looking out for you and your best interest, those X1s. ;)

 

If they suck then you can come back and give WAYNE and i a good flamin'. But if they are THAT much better sounding than the cables that you have been using/making then we both will be happy for ya'. :)

 

In the NAME OF SCIENCE!!!

700

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Kama has been a real stand up guy, and he never asked for more than just price to ship and material. I would gladly give him extra just off that alone. Still using that cable as my Mixamp to E17 interconnect, Kama. wink.gif

Oh Oh me too!!! I want a hook up as well, but i am sticking to my belief regarding cables and cable guys................ you just can't trust them. :tongue:

post #2792 of 4707

Last response, then i'll let this thread get back on track. I appreciate your understanding, but it seems need to be Mr.Redundant to get a few important points across.

 

Clearly the clarity of my clearness hasn't been clear enough. I have no need to for a Zu cable since I build them myself. I build them from other companies materials, not my own. I didn't buy a two $15 connectors for a cable, the member that I was making the cable for did. They pay for the materials, I build. I don't make cables, I assemble them. I don't have my own cables/connectors/etc. I buy from companies at the request of a member and then assemble it. x1000.

So I don't have to make claims to my cables since they aren't really my cables. All the materials belong to other companies. Do I assemble as well as they do? Couldn't tell you. 

 

So do I want to spend $40+ dollars on a cable made with $13 worth of materials (it's only 3.3feet long)? As kova would say,  "Nah". 

But if you wanna send your cable to someone that has other cables to test, feel free. As each person that has had me assemble a cable knows, I always say that cables usually offer something "different" and not always "better". The effect a cable can have might be to your liking or not, it's totally subjective. 

 

It is important to read before posting. I would even say doing a little bit of research prior is golden. I made sure to check Wayne's profile in advance for the Zu cable before asking. I didn't see one listed, so I asked. 

 

Anyhow, I hope that their directional, 400 hour burn-in, top-secret cable turns out to be the best for everyone that owns it. There are much more expensive cables out there and people justify those, so a $40 cable sounds very reasonable. I tested a HD800 with a $600 cable vs the stock cable and found them to be "different". Was the price tag worth it? To me, no. To the owner, yes. 

Simply find what works for you, and that is all that matters. 

post #2793 of 4707

So can we put this drama aside, and can someone who owns the cable maybe actually tell us what its made of?

 

At least with the insane thousand dollar cables out there, the companies post some sort of vague explanation lol.

 

I'm just genuinely curious as to what makes these cables so good (so I can do the same in my DIY cables :P)

 

Its odd to me how people are so suspicious of a company like Monster, but none others :\

post #2794 of 4707
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Originally Posted by PanpandaChan View Post
 

So can we put this drama aside, and can someone who owns the cable maybe actually tell us what its made of?

 

At least with the insane thousand dollar cables out there, the companies post some sort of vague explanation lol.

 

I'm just genuinely curious as to what makes these cables so good (so I can do the same in my DIY cables :P)

 

Its odd to me how people are so suspicious of a company like Monster, but none others :\

 

It depends on the cable you order. Most of their cables are using the normal materials: Neutrik, Amphenol, and Switchcraft connectors with nylon multifilament and paracord sleeving, mostly paracord. Many use braided copper shielding, PTFE insulation on the SPC or copper conductors. Nothing out of the ordinary. 

 

Then they have their proprietary "ZuB3" design that is mysteriously special. I You'd have to check if that is what your getting. otherwise your just getting normal copper or SPC. But the mystery helps to add to expectation bias. 

 

Simply owning the cable won't tell you what it's made of. You'd have to cut it open, and even then it's a guessing game. But there is no reason to even try unless you purchased one of the "ZuB3" designed cables. The rest of them are standard materials.

 

They do separate themselves in one category, they use cold-press and sonic welding instead of soldering on "as many as they can". So you might get that on yours. The idea is to reduce resistance that soldering might add. But when you already make a cable with 0.2 resistance using VERY average materials (like I did), you can only really hope to drop it another 0.1 at most and at that point it's like me dropping 5 granules of sugar in your cup of coffee and asking if you notice a difference in taste. Even then, low resistance isn't always the best option. It can make a headphone more detailed sounding but also harsher.  But they aren't trying to claim it will make a massive difference, but those two techniques do have their benefits. 

 

Long story short, most of their cables (especially the ones on eBay) are made for the same average materials as other cable makers. They have one cable that is specific to them and it's only difference is supposed to be a different geometry of cable but it's a secret. 

 

As I said above, if whatever  cable you get works for you, then that is all that matters. But the simple reality is that they offer the same thing as other cable makers but offer up less information on what you are actually getting. Maybe if you email them, they'll let you know exactly. Except for the ZuB3, which they won't. 

post #2795 of 4707

Well the whole lottery concept to their business (you might get their special cable or you might not) seems odd to me...

 

And I was just hoping if someone had a cable from them, maybe they could just open up the jack and look from there, without causing damage. But maybe thats not the case. oh well.

post #2796 of 4707
oh, its not a lottery. What you get depends on the type of cable that you order. If you order a table with a mini XLR, then you get neutrik connectors. Other cables offer different connectors and builds.

the only mystery is them not specifically stating the statistics on theirconductors
post #2797 of 4707

Oops, my mistake then.

 

I misinterpreted this part:

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 Then they have their proprietary "ZuB3" design that is mysteriously special. I You'd have to check if that is what your getting. otherwise your just getting normal copper or SPC. But the mystery helps to add to expectation bias. 

 

Thought you mean its a mystery as to what design your cable will be lol.

post #2798 of 4707
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Originally Posted by Kamakahah View Post

I didn't mean offense either. It just reminded me of a month or so back when I saw ericp come out with one of their cables out of the blue. His post seemed very "selling this product".

His post was followed up a few posts later by a new user that sounded exactly like an ad for the cable.

While it doesn't matter what he does or who he supports, the whole thing felt a little shady and staged under the pretence or his board reputation. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Doesn't mean that the cables aren't good, but they really avoid giving details on their products. It's too bad because I very much like where they are manufactured.

 

Okay, I haven't been on this post in awhile, but dude you are disparaging my e-name, and I don't like it one bit. I mentioned the Zu cable because as waynes world mentioned (and DannyBai), I purchased it and I liked it. I've also bought two or three other cables (including the MediaBridge) that I thought were fairly good but didn't out-perform the Zu. And I still hold to it that the Zu is the best cable I've heard on the X1. Now, I don't think Zu would consider me a promoter of their product because if you look up my posts, I actually berated them for taking the cable off of their ebay site as some members sought to purchase it for a price under $40. On their website the same cable was going for about $100 (and they took it down for awhile so no one would ask for it at the below $40 price). It's a high quality copper cable cover with 100 percent silver (I believe the company claims). Whatever it is, it sounds great!

And actually Kamakahah, you are the one who come across as suspicious and wanting to sell your "custom made" cables to the X1 community. Why would you bash me? Why didn't you have the decency to ask me here or in my inbox if I had a relationship with Zu before you bashed my e-name and attacked waynes world? Are you trying to to get some type of monopoly on the selling of your own cables here in head-fi? That appears to be the case here. If so, I think you're going about it the wrong way. Is it that you can't produce a cable of the Zu quality for under $40? You are appearing to be the troll here. You mentioned my name twice as doing something that could be perceived as unethical simply because I bought a product with MY MONEY and like it. How dare you? 

post #2799 of 4707

Ugh.  What a surprise, cable-talk once again derails a thread on Head-fi. 

 


FYI, you guys are starting to loop back in a circle:

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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post


And actually Kamakahah, you are the one who come across as suspicious and wanting to sell your "custom made" cables to the X1 community.  Are you trying to to get some type of monopoly on the selling of your own cables here in head-fi? That appears to be the case here.

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Originally Posted by Kamakahah View Post
 

Let me go ahead and set you straight. I don't sell cables. I offered to build X1 cables for some guys here in the thread so I can practice. They chose the materials, they paid for them, and I built the cable. End of story.

post #2800 of 4707
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

Originally Posted by Kamakahah View Post
 

"Let me go ahead and set you straight. I don't sell cables. I offered to build X1 cables for some guys here in the thread so I can practice. They chose the materials, they paid for them, and I built the cable. End of story."

 

Whatever. So you are saying you make no profit from it? Really? Just building and giving from the bottom of your heart? Yeah, okay. Why should I believe you anymore than you believe I'm not an agent for Zu simply because I PURCHASED ONE OF THEIR PRODUCTS? I think your scenario is less plausible sir. Smooth, but less likely that you're not making a profit. By the way, I love the Zu cable, but I don't recommend anyone to buy from them because I don't like their business practices (now, that ends your theory about me). 

And I don't like Kamakahah's business practices either. Very sneaky and underhanded, and at the expense of disparaging someone's name you don't even know. 

post #2801 of 4707
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Edited by ericp10 - 9/30/13 at 3:53pm
post #2802 of 4707
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post

 

If you vouch for him after what he stated here about me, one would have to question your integrity too. Maybe you two are partners?

 

 

LOL.  Now you're attacking other members for not disparaging Kamakahah in your defense.

 

I take it this is the original vicious remark he made about you?...

 

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Originally Posted by Kamakahah View Post

I didn't mean offense either.  It just reminded me of a month or so back when I saw ericp come out with one of their cables out of the blue. His post seemed very "selling this product".

 

...If so, it's time to get over it.  Such a trivial thing shouldn't have even upset you in the first place.

 

Other people didn't seem to have a problem with it...

 

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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post

 

No problem. Although eric's post may have come across as "selling" (just like my post apparently did), he was just expressing his satisfaction in the cable. And that's the only reason I am posting about it also - because I am actually quite happy with it and I think that if someone is looking for a different cable for their X1, they should consider it.

post #2803 of 4707

waynes world would kindly like to be stricken from this thread.

 

But before that is done, everyone should run out and buy the Zu cable! Awesome cable! Lol.

 

:ph34r:

post #2804 of 4707

^ LMAO everyone just shut up and get ready to be mesmerized by............................................................................ my hos mod. :evil:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@ericp

 

Kama seems like a stand up dood and is not selling cables for profit, which was what i originally thought as well. He is just fine tuning his DIY skills by offering his time and service for people that want to have a cable made AND HAS MADE THIS POINT PAINSTAKINGLY CLEAR. Others like MLE all backup what Kama has stated in that they only require to pay for raw materials THAT THEY THEMSELVES PICK and the shipping cost. Which is more than fair if you ask me, so i applaud Kama for offering his services for free.

 

@ Kama

 

i know it's your opinion and that you don't necessarily have to provide any evidence on how you felt toward ericps' posts regarding these Zu cables, etc BUT it was pretty messed up to drag his name in the mud like that though. This was why i was offended initially and felt you were attacking WAYNE as well. You can play semantical games like i was just merely asking him if they was advertising for them of not, blah blah blah, but your tone came off as very accusatory and same could be said regarding your statement about ericp. See you accusing ericp of advertising for Zu is the same as ericp accusing you of trying to monopolize the after market cables for these X1s, AND BOTH SOUND UTTERLY STUPID AND OUTRAGEOUS if you just stop and think about it. I mean c'mon that is some truly dumb and sophomoric statements i would have to say. :rolleyes: Like i said before karma is indeed a two way street.

 

@ everyone

 

No need to post anymore replies, since it really doesn't involve you and even me tbh, but i did start it somewhat so i need to end this now before it gets even more outta' hand. So everyone just chill the hell out and enjoy the tunes meng. It's a damn hobby for god sake, why so serious just have fun with it!!! Lots of mofos seems to forget about this basic point for some reason when they get sooo deep into all this audiophile hoopla. :deadhorse: 


Edited by sfwalcer - 9/30/13 at 3:59pm
post #2805 of 4707
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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post
 

^ LMAO everyone just shut up and get ready to be mesmerized by............................................................................ my hos mod. :evil:

 

 

How did you get the "hoes" to tuck up in the inside?

 

Tutorial?

 

:popcorn:

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