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post #2596 of 4796
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post

Yes, but the resistance on the V-Moda cable is almost that of the stock cable.

The resistance hypothesis in this situation doesn't make a lot of sense. 1 extra ohm isn't going to have an audible effect at all. The build materials and quality of the build will have a much greater effect and is likely the cause for the more noticeable change from the stock but less between the others.
post #2597 of 4796
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Originally Posted by Kamakahah View Post


The resistance hypothesis in this situation doesn't make a lot of sense. 1 extra ohm isn't going to have an audible effect at all. The build materials and quality of the build will have a much greater effect and is likely the cause for the more noticeable change from the stock but less between the others.

Right, but all I can remember is the 20-30 pages (in a row) that were spent talking about cables and the general consensus was that the V-Moda cables were in 2nd place for the worst choice (stock cable being in 1st place). I didn't have my X1 for very long, but I used a V-Moda cable the entire time, though I did not have a Media Bridge or other to work with. The resistance may not be contributing to the lack of detail as much as everyone suggests, but it seems most users who have tried 3+ different cables (including the V-Moda) would suggest to look elsewhere.

post #2598 of 4796
I won't try to speak for what cable is best for this situation. Just wanted to debunk the resistance rumor that has run rampant for far too long in this thread.

Find a well built cable that uses quality materials and matches the style you want. You'll end up satisfied as long as you don't expect a miracle change from the sound.
post #2599 of 4796

Yeah, I shouldn't have stated the resistance issue simply because I haven't done any cable swapping and thus have no grounds to comment on it. Once the mega-cable-convo started on this thread, I simply scanned over it and most people seemed to believe that resistance=bad. Not sure how many EE's were part of that convo though...

post #2600 of 4796
I don't know if it's necessarily due to impedance, but there is definitely a difference between the stock cable and the media bridge cable I bought. Maybe I wouldn't notice normally, but doing A/B comparisons definitely showed the changes. Here's what Tyll from innerfidelity says about it:

"There's been a lot of chatter in the X1 thread at Head-Fi about cable swaps and making a big difference. I'm rather skeptical of claims like that, so I measured the stock cables resistance: 1.8 Ohms, on both signal and ground wires. This seemed rather high to me, so I measured a 5 other similar cables I had lying around and got between 0.5 and 0.8 Ohms. There are two problems with a headphone cable that has this much resistance. First, if you've been following along with the Meridian Explorer and it's initial output impedance problem you'll know that series resistance is going to decrease your damping factor, and cause the headphones to be a little loose sounding. This is a big bass headphone and throwing away damping factor in the cable doesn't seem like a good idea.

The second problem is that the signal shares a common return through the ground of the cable, and the relatively high resistance of the cable will cause a voltage to develop on the ground channel that will produce some crosstalk between channels. The good news is that the stock cable is terminated in a stereo mini-plug at the headphone end and there are plenty of replacement cables available. The V-Moda cable has 0.5 Ohm resistance and it works fine."
post #2601 of 4796

Hello again,

I have gotten the x1 y esterday but might have to return it. I used it primarily with my iphone 4 and spotify in its highest setting. I listen to a wide variety of music, pop rock power metal, oldies some dancing tunes some instrumental.I dont consider myself a basshead but i like to hear the bass when it is htere. I found an open sound, soundstage instrument separation but especially the midrange (which for me is the central point in any track) very important. I have been away from headphones for quite a while and i underestimated HOW important the midrange is for me. I have again rediscovereed though how good it feels to listen to headphones (a lot better then listening to music with the zeppelin air that is my desktop rig these days). The x1 does a lot of things extremely right (although it never gives me a wow factor) its EXTREMELY comfortable, easy to drive i like its treble and soundstage. The bass can be a bit much for me. But it is just not as much an immediate sounding headphone as i would have liked, not as up front (and those vocals need to be fuller).

So these will probbably be returned. But i am not sure at all what to get instead (because i now do know that i want another headphone).

I am looking for a full-size open headphone. I have owned the hd800 and the akg k701 but these both had too little bass. I am not sure how things are at the audio-technica front these days and i might be looking at the new akg k712. I think i would like my sound to be a BIT colder brighter more upfront (like you are really there) with good soundstage (but as long as the headphone is open and airy sounding i am willing to just go for good sound imaging) non rolled off highs non-dark sounding with mids as the central point.

I realize that i have just been away from head-fi too long and dont know what the playing field is like htese days. Any pointers via pm or in this thread to help me reorientate myself would be greatly appreciated. I have not decided on a pricepoint yet.

Greetings, Anouk,

post #2602 of 4796

I haven't ever tried them myself, but it looks as though you should try out the K702 65th or the K712. They are described almost exactly how you describe your ideal sound (in comparison to the X1). MLE or chicolom may have better input though.

post #2603 of 4796
If you want good bass AND mids, thats automatically going steer the sound signature towards the warmer/darker side. No getting around that. You can't have a colder/brighter sound with bass AND mids. If you want colder, you're gonna have to give up some bass or some mids. Cold headphones can be bassy (PRO 900 AND DT990) but will have a sucked out mid section which will sound distant.

For that, I can recommend, the K702 Anniversary, and/or K712 Pro. Both have very good bass and mids, with spacious soundstage. For cheaper, there is also the Sony MA900 which is also warm, midrange is excellent with good mid bass, and large, spacious soundstage. That's assuming you're on a budget and can't afford those two AKGs. All of these will have a softer treble. YOU ABSOLUTELY CANNOT HAVE GOOD BASS, MIDS, WITH SPARKLY TREBLE. The X1 is as close as that comes.

The HE400 is a possible candidate, but its treble is overly aggressive. If you EQ it down, then this may be the safest choice, as it has a relative linear bass and mid response, with recessed upper mids, and strong treble. Lowering the treble should bring out those upper mids a bit.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 9/4/13 at 1:14pm
post #2604 of 4796

Another alternative is the HE-400 which is a dark headphone due to the upper mid recession but they have a treble spike that makes them sound rather bright at times. The majority of the mids and all of the bass is maintained, only the upper mids are recessed.

 

 

EDIT: whoops, MLE got it.

post #2605 of 4796

Well, luckily I have 2 weeks to decide if i want to return these or not. I am finding that with some tracks they sound almost nice and the soundstage is extremely good. I would almost certainly spend a lot more (ad2000x although it does not need an amp, akg k712 is a lot costlier in itself and would need an amp to get the best out  of it, and the w5000 especially).

We will seewhat a few more days of listening does. I might just have to suck it up and keep these because they are a  nice allrounder and dont do anything glaringly wrong. The fact that they are so easy to drive and great for low volume listening is also good. Greetings, Anouk,

post #2606 of 4796

Well then i dont think the he400 is good for me. I dont like recessed mids at all. I am willing to give up some bass for a bit less dark sound. Maybe a new cable will help a bit.

post #2607 of 4796
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Originally Posted by Anouk View Post
 

I am looking for a full-size open headphone. I have owned the hd800 and the akg k701 but these both had too little bass. I am not sure how things are at the audio-technica front these days and i might be looking at the new akg k712. I think i would like my sound to be a BIT colder brighter more upfront (like you are really there) with good soundstage (but as long as the headphone is open and airy sounding i am willing to just go for good sound imaging) non rolled off highs non-dark sounding with mids as the central point.

 

Neither the Anniversary or K712 are cold or bright sounding, so you may find them too dark as they're a little darker than the X1 (and the X1 isn't cold or bright either.)

 

Beyers are usually on the bright side with decent bass.  The mids might be too recessed though.

 

MA900s have very good mids and decent bass.  Also cheap and easy to drive.  Maybe not bright enough still...

 

Audio Technicas are not dark sounding, are usually pretty airy, and people seem to like the mids. 


Edited by chicolom - 9/4/13 at 8:35pm
post #2608 of 4796

Thanks for all the helpful advice! I always find it a bit difficult to describe the sound that i am after, because often when you hear a headphone, even if you did not think  you would like htat sound, it can suddenly click with you nonehteless. I dont want to rebuild my whole home rig again and i find the k712 a bit expensive, but who knows what they will be like in a few years and my financial situation might change.

I saw a VERY tempting deal for an ad2000x on the fs forums and I iwll certainly investigate the sony a bit more.I owned the top sony  open model a few years ago but that was a bit too sterile osunding with too little bass. 

All in all i think the philips is a nice allround can and i might just stick with it for a few months till i can actually compare it live with something else.

Thanks again,

Greetings, Anouk,

post #2609 of 4796

Hello again,

Gotta love head-fi. My previous shortlist is gone, the w3000anv is just too expensive. But while researching the sony ma900 i came across the jvc dx1000. I liked this headphone in the past (especially since it i snot as expensive in Europe as it is in the states) and i dont mind its size now. I dont NEED closed headphones (since i live alone) but dont have anything against them as such.

I know the dx1000 is not a very popular headphone on head-fi, and for me it ias been too long since i owned these. Is there anyone with a better recollection of them or who still has them who can compare against philips x1?

Thanks!

Greetings, Anouk,

post #2610 of 4796

I was at Radioshack looking for something and happened to see the 10' black Audioquest Pipeline Cable was on clearance for $9.  I picked it up since it looks sexy and I sometimes I could use a 10 foot cable.  Feels well made and durable.  They also put a 3-year replacement plan on it too for 90 something cents though, in case it craps out. 

 

I had to laugh at some of the marketing for it though:

 

Quote:
 

"Solid High-Purity High-Performance Copper (HPPC) conductors completely avoid strand-interaction distortion. HPPC’s fewer impurities and longer copper “grains” ensure greater clarity and naturalness.

 

In addition to the harshness caused by bare strands contacting each other, the magnetic fields of the various strands constantly interacting leads to a confused and “out-of-focus” sonic presentation. The Concentric-Conductor Construction (CCC) of Pipeline speaker cable nearly eliminates these problems.

 

The well recognized (but often misunderstood) phenomenon of “skin-effect” refers to the phenomenon of high frequency energy travelling primarily on the surface of a conductor. Skin-effect also encourages current to jump from strand to strand, causing harshness to the sound.

 

For audio, all analog and digital cables are directional. The conductor orientation in PipeLine Interconnect ET-4 is carefully controlled. Please use the cables with the arrows pointing from the source components to the receiver, such as CD player to receiver.

 

http://pipelineet.com/et-4/

 

This cable actually has arrows on it pointing in one direction.  That has to be complete BS, right?!


Edited by chicolom - 9/6/13 at 8:43pm
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