Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › [New] Philips Fidelio X1
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[New] Philips Fidelio X1 - Page 15

post #211 of 4706

These look too nice! And it sounds good from what you've said so far...

I think I will (try to) hold myself back for a bit and wait for some more responses about thempopcorn.gif

post #212 of 4706
Quote:
Originally Posted by Theblatt View Post

 

Any progress on this?  The 3.5mm connect on the X1 is really nice and low profile.  If you get a different aftermarket plug, it's not going to fit without chaffing the ear cup... Also, unless you get a right-angle plug, it gets to be a very long connection with an adapter.  Mini to quarter right angles are really hard to come by...?  I've actually only found a single one online.  

 

Seem like if you wanted to go this route, you'd be best off making or having a custom cable made (not really more money than AQ) that's 1/8" to 1/4"--but you'd still have the issue of the fatter 3.5mm plug housing chaffing the ear cup, since i can't find anything to rival ho low profile the mini plug is on the X1 stock cable...

OK  just a few words on cable update.

 

1stly the 3.5mm jack plugs straight into the headphone socket so no adaptors need headphone end.  Amp end you will need an adaptor unless you have a 3.5mm headphone outlet or reterminate aftermarket cable.

 

I haven't notice chaffing  as the top of the headphone socket is slightly raised away from the cup surface. There is a bit of overlap on the cushion edge but this is insignificant.

 

Yes I am talking to Toxic*cables regarding making me a custom cable for the X1 using their UHP silverplated copper design  similar to the ones they sell for use on the Audeze 2 & 3.

 

I will let you know how that goes.

 

When I have a good solution I will send some pictures.

post #213 of 4706
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruffra View Post

 

When I have a good solution I will send some pictures.

 

Aftermarket cables are pretty. I'll admit that much :)

post #214 of 4706
Quote:
Originally Posted by manveru View Post

 

Aftermarket cables are pretty. I'll admit that much :)

Not just pretty but also can be effective.

If the headphone Transducer and Enclosure design is good then optimising the cable choice is a reasonable thing to consider in order to get the best out of your enjoyment and cash spent. Even better if the headpone cables are detachable with commonly available connections !!!

 

Take the TR50P  redesigns  now available    thats a lot of effort to get a good solution for a old transducer design.

I'd rather change cables on a headphone design which is up to date and has a lot of potential.

post #215 of 4706
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruffra View Post

OK  just a few words on cable update.

 

1stly the 3.5mm jack plugs straight into the headphone socket so no adaptors need headphone end.  Amp end you will need an adaptor unless you have a 3.5mm headphone outlet or reterminate aftermarket cable.

 

 

 

I haven't notice chaffing  as the top of the headphone socket is slightly raised away from the cup surface. There is a bit of overlap on the cushion edge but this is insignificant.

 

Yes I am talking to Toxic*cables regarding making me a custom cable for the X1 using their UHP silverplated copper design  similar to the ones they sell for use on the Audeze 2 & 3.

 

I will let you know how that goes.

 

When I have a good solution I will send some pictures.

 

I actually meant I'll need an adaptor for the amp, since mini-1/4" audiophile cables don't exist.  so you could get an audioquest or other mini-mini and just throw on a 1/4" adapter...

 

you think that would produce upgraded sound?

post #216 of 4706
Quote:
Originally Posted by Theblatt View Post

 

I actually meant I'll need an adaptor for the amp, since mini-1/4" audiophile cables don't exist.  so you could get an audioquest or other mini-mini and just throw on a 1/4" adapter...

 

you think that would produce upgraded sound?

Sorry I'm a bit confused here. Mini jack ( 3.5mm) to 1/4"( 6.3mm) jack adaptors are readily available on ebay so converting a mini jack to mini jack ipod headpone socket style cable is fairly easy. A good adaptor doesn't influence sound quality greatly in my experience. My original senn 600's had a 3.5mm to 1/4" adaptor fitted as standard,

 

 

 

 

 

.  

Cable choice is the issue .  I have gone with a toxic*cable design tonight.  Its going to be some weeks to come as they have an order backlog so I will continue with my own experimentation for a few more weeks.

post #217 of 4706
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruffra View Post

Take the TR50P  redesigns  now available    thats a lot of effort to get a good solution for a old transducer design.

I'd rather change cables on a headphone design which is up to date and has a lot of potential.

 

If cables actually can make a difference at lengths and gauges pertaining to headphones, I'm pretty sure the changes would be extremely subtle compared to adding damping materials or actually changing the acoustic properties inside the cup of a headphone. Not to mention several "up to date" designs, and very expensive ones at that, are arguably much much worse than the Fostex.

post #218 of 4706
Quote:
Originally Posted by manveru View Post

 

If cables actually can make a difference at lengths and gauges pertaining to headphones, I'm pretty sure the changes would be extremely subtle compared to adding damping materials or actually changing the acoustic properties inside the cup of a headphone. Not to mention several "up to date" designs, and very expensive ones at that, are arguably much much worse than the Fostex.

Sorry should not have introduced a theme into this thread regarding another headphone design which is not relevant to the original intent and I do not want to derail this thread as I am becoming interested in proving my experience on these headphones. My Apologies.

 

If I where to give my opinion now of these phones straitght out of the box then excellent bottom end and somewhat recessed mids and top with a towards the front row presentation of the soundstage.

That would be end of story and lets try the next one please.

However with some effort on my part I believe there is a much better headphone to be gained from this design without major surgery and expense by changing the cables.

 

I have heard them produce some remarkable music using a temporary set of adaptors and gold/silver conductors which rival or surpass my T1's in a number of areas.  So I truly feel that coupled with some better cables these headphones offer a really competative  design to some more expensive flagships. Perhaps as you say the Fostex do.

post #219 of 4706
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruffra View Post

Sorry should not have introduced a theme into this thread regarding another headphone design which is not relevant to the original intent and I do not want to derail this thread as I am becoming interested in proving my experience on these headphones. My Apologies.

 

If I where to give my opinion now of these phones straitght out of the box then excellent bottom end and somewhat recessed mids and top with a towards the front row presentation of the soundstage.

That would be end of story and lets try the next one please.

However with some effort on my part I believe there is a much better headphone to be gained from this design without major surgery and expense by changing the cables.

 

I have heard them produce some remarkable music using a temporary set of adaptors and gold/silver conductors which rival or surpass my T1's in a number of areas.  So I truly feel that coupled with some better cables these headphones offer a really competative  design to some more expensive flagships. Perhaps as you say the Fostex do.

 

No apologies necessary. No individual is at fault here. I wouldn't say we're all that derailed as long as discussion remains civil.

 

My guess would be that an even simpler solution would be to shelf down the bass using EQ. Well, it kind of depends on what the exact nature of the frequency response actually is, but as long as it's well extended and there aren't somehow any strange nulls, it should be doable. It costs nothing, is freely adjustable, and highly customizable. Though that's just me of course.

post #220 of 4706

Both are potentially valid solutions. To each their own...


Edited by lmswjm - 9/28/12 at 4:25pm
post #221 of 4706
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruffra View Post

Sorry I'm a bit confused here. Mini jack ( 3.5mm) to 1/4"( 6.3mm) jack adaptors are readily available on ebay so converting a mini jack to mini jack ipod headpone socket style cable is fairly easy. A good adaptor doesn't influence sound quality greatly in my experience. My original senn 600's had a 3.5mm to 1/4" adaptor fitted as standard,

 

 

 

 

I said mini to 1/4 CABLES don't exist (at least not audiophile grade)--you have to custom make that.  In the interim, yes, you can throw on an adaptor, and yes, they are readily available, unless you want a right angle one.  Plenty of quarter to mini right angles, but no mini to quarter...?  

 

Anyway, in the pic you post, the casing for the mini-plug is huge!  that isn't bothersome connected to the X1?  It has such a low profile stock plug...

post #222 of 4706
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Theblatt View Post

I said mini to 1/4 CABLES don't exist (at least not audiophile grade)--you have to custom make that.  In the interim, yes, you can throw on an adaptor, and yes, they are readily available, unless you want a right angle one.  Plenty of quarter to mini right angles, but no mini to quarter...?  

 

Anyway, in the pic you post, the casing for the mini-plug is huge!  that isn't bothersome connected to the X1?  It has such a low profile stock plug...

 

Why do you need a mini to 1/4" cable anyway? Mini to mini is more flexible isn't it? With the use of adapters, you could convert it to practically anything. Technically, you could convert 1/4" to mini as well, but it's much more bulky and might put unwanted strain on the output jack of an amp.

post #223 of 4706
Quote:
Originally Posted by Theblatt View Post

 

I said mini to 1/4 CABLES don't exist (at least not audiophile grade)--you have to custom make that.  In the interim, yes, you can throw on an adaptor, and yes, they are readily available, unless you want a right angle one.  Plenty of quarter to mini right angles, but no mini to quarter...?  

 

Anyway, in the pic you post, the casing for the mini-plug is huge!  that isn't bothersome connected to the X1?  It has such a low profile stock plug...

 

Oyaide manufacture a audiophile grade mini to 1/4 cable  type HPC-62  I was considering this before I went with the Toxic*cable special design.

 

Ebay in the UK have a few sellers listing Mini to 1/4 right angle adaptors under search "6.5mm stereo jack plug to 3.5mm socket adaptor angle". ( Not Gold Plated though)

 

I have had no problems so far with the larger diameter/length 3.5mm cable plug in the X1 socket. Still a good fit and doesn't seem to be an issue when wearing them.

post #224 of 4706
ruffra, I hate to disagree with you but I've listened to many genres of music through my X1's over the last few weeks and certainly do not cosider the mids/highs to be in the least bit repressed - are you sure that you do not hve a dodgy cable?
post #225 of 4706
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by logindetails View Post

ruffra, I hate to disagree with you but I've listened to many genres of music through my X1's over the last few weeks and certainly do not cosider the mids/highs to be in the least bit repressed - are you sure that you do not hve a dodgy cable?

 

Don't worry. There's no such thing as a headphone which everyone agrees on. Personal preferences often play a big role when trying to communicate to others what a headphone sounds like, so we have to remember to take all subjective impressions with a grain of salt, or if we know the person's personal taste we can take that into account when making an assessment. One person's "recessed mids/treble" could be another persons "perfectly balanced," or even another person's "not enough bass."


Edited by manveru - 9/30/12 at 2:19pm
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Headphones (full-size)
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › [New] Philips Fidelio X1