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post #841 of 5048
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Originally Posted by phototristan View Post

Not to my knowledge as it doesn't have a line out. 


Dang, I was keeping my fingers crossed on that feature.

post #842 of 5048
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Originally Posted by DigitalFreak View Post

Sorry if this has been asked before but this thread can move rather fast at times and it can be hard to keep up. Is it possible to hook up an external amp and just use the M8 DAC? I like to mix and match my amps depending on the gear I'm hearing so if this product could function not unlike a quasi CLAS DAC that would be a killer feature for me.


We're unsure because there are (at least) 2 versions in the works with differing output configurations. There has been talk of making the 1/8 output a line out. So, if you order the version with a 1/8 inch-1/4 inch-single XLR, then one of the outputs (1/8 I believe) would be a line out/digital out.

post #843 of 5048
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Originally Posted by Staal View Post

@bmichels and wormdriver

 

Did you read the part about sharing details in that e-mail?

Haha,

 

What I read about centrance they seem a good bunch of guys and they would not mind a slip up like this.

 

You get a discount for your trouble to review and provide feedback. Good on Centrance and I am looking froward to deal with them in the future,

 

I have added them in my list of prefered companies: Heir, RSA etc

post #844 of 5048
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Originally Posted by bmichels View Post

Still afraid to be on the "pre-order" list...

 

I am very fortunate to still be on the "pre-order" list. But, I am still hesitating to take advantage of this "privilege" because I am afraid that those "pre-oreder units" may still have some flaws that will be corrected in the final version...

We wouldn't release something that was half-baked. We will only give you something we believe in. Chassis will be final, which means perfect look and feel. Electronics will also be final. I'd rather not have a "temp" version and a "final" version. I would like to be working on new things after this (we have plenty), so what you get will be the final, full-featured product. You would simply get it at a discount. This process helps us deliver it to you faster.


Edited by mgoodman - 12/9/12 at 10:00pm
post #845 of 5048
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Originally Posted by DigitalFreak View Post

Sorry if this has been asked before but this thread can move rather fast at times and it can be hard to keep up. Is it possible to hook up an external amp and just use the M8 DAC? I like to mix and match my amps depending on the gear I'm hearing so if this product could function not unlike a quasi CLAS DAC that would be a killer feature for me.

There will be three versions:

 

- Dual combo XLR. One of the 1/4" jacks can be used for phones, the other for line out. The volume control will affect the line out level. 

- 4-Pin RSA + 1/4" + 1/8".

- 4-Pin XLR + 1/4" + 1/8". 

 

In both cases, the 1/4" jack will have headphone output, which can be used as line output. The 1/8" jack will have SPDIF out and headphone out, which can also be used as line output. The headphone amp will be extremely linear (low distortion, pitch-black noise floor), so if you don't mind having a volume control on the line output, it's totally ok to use the headphone output as line output.

 

Most likely we will not have a chance to stick line level in the 1/8" jack. I know this is not what some people expected, but we are running very short on time, so I'd rather didn't create false hopes -- 1/8" will most likely be a headphone out, meaning "post pot".


Edited by mgoodman - 12/9/12 at 10:01pm
post #846 of 5048

Though to reiterate for those who care about such things, when the volume is turned up all the way the audio signal "essentially" doesn't see the pot. 

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Originally Posted by mgoodman View Post
 I would like to be working on new things after this (we have plenty), so what you get will be the final, full-featured product.

Thank you for continually seeking to release cutting edge innovative products!

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this may be asked before but is there any difference between the 1/8" and 1/4" plugs besides durability?
post #849 of 5048
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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post

Though to reiterate for those who care about such things, when the volume is turned up all the way the audio signal "essentially" doesn't see the pot. 
True on some level, but we have customers who report that they can hear a pot in the signal chain. We don't argue, we adhere wink.gif
post #850 of 5048
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Originally Posted by mgoodman View Post

There will be three versions:
Most likely we will not have a chance to stick line level in the 1/8" jack. I know this is not what some people expected, but we are running very short on time, so I'd rather didn't create false hopes -- 1/8" will most likely be a headphone out, meaning "post pot".

That's a shame. In that case, it's probably best to stop using the term 'line-out' from this point on since there won't be one. Just too confusing.
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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post

Though to reiterate for those who care about such things, when the volume is turned up all the way the audio signal "essentially" doesn't see the pot. 

This is a bit of hopeful thinking. You can mitigate the affects of a pot (such as miller capacitance, etc.) by reducing attenuation but it never disappears. The best way to test this is to run a DACPort LX versus a DACPort into a transparent amp w/ a solid transducer. Now adjust the DACPort pot how ever you like to replicate the transparency of the LX. It can't be done. I've read that HPA even likes his DACPort more than the LX for his tastes but that confirms that they do not sound the same no matter what you do with the pot. The non LX will sound more colored. Whether you prefer that or not is another question entirely. Those that care about a line-out, care about a line-out, not something trying to behave similar to a line-out. Just sayin'.

Anyway, I'm in even if it's not 100% what I'd like but what is in life? Besides, if it doesn't work out for me, there's always options.
Edited by Akula1321 - 12/10/12 at 7:47pm
post #851 of 5048

Well of course, yeah even with the volume maxed you're still running the signal through an amp section. Centrance says their distortion/noise/etc is good enough to not be noticeable though. 

 

Then again, many so called lineouts still run the signal through a unity gain buffer, which isn't so different from amping anyways... 

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IIRC, there is an amp section inside the Dacport LX, the same one as inside the Dacport. Hence differences most likely comes from the pot and the lower gain only.

post #853 of 5048
Yeah don't forget that not only is the signal running through the internal amp, but its also running through the pot which the main reason IMO the lx sounds better than the non-lx when the output is used as a "line out". But I know you can't get everything you want. But since Michael says it doesn't matter, I'm going to take him at his word although apparently using a pot did matter with the port. Nevertheless, he's been the most trustworthy vender I've ever come across, so that's good enough for me.
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Originally Posted by Akula1321 View Post

That's a shame. In that case, it's probably best to stop using the term 'line-out' from this point on since there won't be one. Just too confusing.
This is a bit of hopeful thinking. You can mitigate the affects of a pot (such as miller capacitance, etc.) by reducing attenuation but it never disappears. The best way to test this is to run a DACPort LX versus a DACPort into a transparent amp w/ a solid transducer. Now adjust the DACPort pot how ever you like to replicate the transparency of the LX. It can't be done. I've read that HPA even likes his DACPort more than the LX for his tastes but that confirms that they do not sound the same no matter what you do with the pot. The non LX will sound more colored. Whether you prefer that or not is another question entirely. Those that care about a line-out, care about a line-out, not something trying to behave similar to a line-out. Just sayin'.
Anyway, I'm in even if it's not 100% what I'd like but what is in life? Besides, if it doesn't work out for me, there's always options.

Technically correct, but personally, I couldn't hear the difference between dacport and dacport LX into a dynalo... My ears are pretty good. It kinda reminds me of the mathematician and the engineer told they can cross one half of the distance at a time to reach a beautiful girl. As they get within a foot or so, the mathematician is increasingly saddened he will never reach the lovely girl. The engineer winks at her, holds out his hand and says "close enough".
post #855 of 5048

The engineer make the assumption that reaching the girl is the goal of the exercise.  The mathematician just admires the beauty and precision of the process.  Win-win.

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