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CEntrance is coming up with a new DAC/recorder, based on the HiFi M8. Being more feature-rich, the HiFI M8 is still the better audiophile DAC, but the MixerFace at its current pre-launch price is a killer deal.

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It doesn't mention anywhere in the Indiegogo or on Centrance site that this is a "DAC and Recorder" - just a recorder... I have asked Michael on the other thread to clarify the differences between this and an M8.

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Originally Posted by JeremyLaurenson View Post
 

It doesn't mention anywhere in the Indiegogo or on Centrance site that this is a "DAC and Recorder" - just a recorder... I have asked Michael on the other thread to clarify the differences between this and an M8.

 

24-bit / 192kHz A/D and D/A converters.

 

(D/A = DAC)


Edited by Sinocelt - 1/12/14 at 7:43pm
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"Lightning to usb cables-
I wrote a few days ago about digital cable differences.
Vmoda Tuono- solid build, slightly darker pronounced low end, more forward vocals.
Venturecraft (VC) - more open, micro detailed, spacious, better imaging."

Seriously?!?!

It's a freaking digital cable. A bad cable can lead to jitter and drop outs, but it would have to be really bad. And jitter can make the sound grainier or harsher, or maybe even less detailed and spacious, but introducing a darker or more forward coloration to the sound as described is hard to believe.
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Originally Posted by JeremyLaurenson View Post
 

It doesn't mention anywhere in the Indiegogo or on Centrance site that this is a "DAC and Recorder" - just a recorder... I have asked Michael on the other thread to clarify the differences between this and an M8.

 

I have an Apogee Duet, for my firewire Mac.  I think this new product if targeted towards this type of market segment.  Though the Apogee has a nice headphone amp/dac for monitoring...

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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post

"Lightning to usb cables-
I wrote a few days ago about digital cable differences.
Vmoda Tuono- solid build, slightly darker pronounced low end, more forward vocals.
Venturecraft (VC) - more open, micro detailed, spacious, better imaging."

Seriously?!?!

It's a freaking digital cable. A bad cable can lead to jitter and drop outs, but it would have to be really bad. And jitter can make the sound grainier or harsher, or maybe even less detailed and spacious, but introducing a darker or more forward coloration to the sound as described is hard to believe.

I just wrote what I heard. perhaps my language use is inaccurate but I tried to explain to the best of my ability.

I tried my faulty Venturecraft/VC (at home and in store), the in store VC sample, the Vmoda sample in store , and then bought both new that day and tested again at home. Five cables in all.

I also compared them on my morning train commute against background noise.

 

The debate about cables in all shapes and forms has been going on and on for a long time, as you well know.

 

As I wrote my first Venturecraft cable was faulty, so i DID want the Vmoda to be `better` sounding(due to its low form and my earlier experience of a faulty VC) , but it wasnt. The Venturecraft came ahead as I have written.

 

`Seriously?!?! It's a freaking digital cable` - This was surprising. You are usually so well measured in your replies.

People have been writing similar things about analog cables for portable rigs the last few years also, but many swear that different LODs and cables sound `better`.

 

I can only write about my experience, perhaps others can try both cables, or yourself and offer an agreeable or opposing opinion.

 

heres a thread I made on lightning cables

http://www.head-fi.org/t/687750/lightning-cables-official-and-custom-welcomed

 

kind regards

expat


Edited by ExpatinJapan - 1/12/14 at 3:26pm
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Originally Posted by ExpatinJapan View Post

I just wrote what I heard. perhaps my language use is inaccurate but I tried to explain to the best of my ability.
I tried my faulty Venturecraft/VC (at home and in store), the in store VC sample, the Vmoda sample in store , and then bought both new that day and tested again at home. Five cables in all.
I also compared them on my morning train commute against background noise.

The debate about cables in all shapes and forms has been going on and on for a long time, as you well know.

As I wrote my first Venturecraft cable was faulty, so i DID want the Vmoda to be `better` sounding(due to its low form and my earlier experience of a faulty VC) , but it wasnt. The Venturecraft came ahead as I have written.

`Seriously?!?! It's a freaking digital cable` - This was surprising. You are usually so well measured in your replies.
People have been writing similar things about analog cables for portable rigs the last few years also, but many swear that different LODs and cables sound `better`.

I can only write about my experience, perhaps others can try both cables, or yourself and offer an agreeable or opposing opinion.

heres a thread I made on lightning cables
http://www.head-fi.org/t/687750/lightning-cables-official-and-custom-welcomed

kind regards
expat

I didn't mean to be so harsh, but I've had a bad day earlier on. But I just don't see how a particular "digital" cable can make the sound warmer and more forward. It's ones and zeros, with only the possibility of introducing timing issues or interference if the shielding is poor, or if the cable's continuity is questionable. It's hard enough just hearing the tiny changes between analog cables, where the cables resistance and capacitance differences can subtlely affect the amp's output response.

The differences between a stock HD650 cable and an HD600 cable was maybe a 1-2% improvement in transparency (or micro-detail), with maybe only another 1-2% improvement with a silver-dragon or APS v3 cable. I believe analog cables offer a very subtle improvement, that should be experimented with only after the source, amp, and headphones are maximized.

I think a good quality well shielded DIGITAL cable might improve the sound very slightly, by reducing jitter with a DAC that isn't as good at rejecting jitter as it should be. But to alter the tonality or color the sound doesn't make sense to me. I've read articles about "what does jitter sound like" and they usually talk about the sound being more harsh or grainy, or less spacious. I'm pretty sure I heard this with my 1st gen Apple TV optical out into a stock PS Audio Digital Link III (along with some subtle background clicks), which went away when testing the ATV side by side with a Cullen Stage IV modded DLIIi (at RMAF 2009).
post #4223 of 5057
Yes, it is all very mysterious.

Hopefully someone else who has access to both cables and a hifi-m8 or similar an do a test run for us.

Who knows i might just be crazy or imagining things. What is in my favor is that i did oh so want the vmoda to be the winner, and tried to skew the results but my ears wouldnt let me.

I understand it is only 1s and zeroes-but....

Anyway, need to meet up with Anakchan an other Tokyo head-fiers and borrow their ears smily_headphones1.gif

Regards
Expat.
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Hi Expat

I am the one crazy believer about cable can make different Sound Quality

Please try this coax cable from Nanotec Japan , it is one of the best Coax cable on the market until now

Coax cable / S PDIF Nanotec Neuron 99 Digital SIlencer :

standard price123,900 jpy. product ..

It is very rare cable now

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I have 3 sets USB to square USB , from wire world violet and starlike and from VCR USA
These 3 have different sound quality
I haven't try wire world platinum serie is very expensive USB cable

IMO
Edited by rudi0504 - 1/12/14 at 8:20pm
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Sorry if it has been said recently, but... where do we stand now with the 24/96 support of the H8 with iDevices ?  any new firmware to fix this available ? 

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Originally Posted by bmichels View Post

Sorry if it has been said recently, but... where do we stand now with the 24/96 support of the H8 with iDevices ?  any new firmware to fix this available ? 


 



I also posted the same question a few weeks back. But looks like nothing is happening yet with this.
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Shhhhhh! Vewy qwiet. We'we working on Mixew Face. Hahahahahaha.
(In my best Elmer Fudd voice)
Edited by aamefford - 1/14/14 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by headwhacker View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmichels View Post
 

Sorry if it has been said recently, but... where do we stand now with the 24/96 support of the H8 with iDevices ?  any new firmware to fix this available ? 

 



I also posted the same question a few weeks back. But looks like nothing is happening yet with this.

Even though 24/96 is a requested and promised feature, I think the SALE figures suggest to Centrance that it's a low priority for many, therefore less resources are dedicated to pushing out the 24/96 support. 

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Hi!

 

I apologize if this has been asked before but what does the "low gain mod" provide?

 

Thanks!

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I think "low gain mod" is meant for people who are using very sensitive IEMs eg. below 20 ohms which is quite rare because most are usually above that. Due to the low impedance of those highly sensitive IEMs, hiss can be above the normal levels. Basically the "low gain mod" cuts 6db off the original Hifi-M8. I'm not modding my M8 because I don't own a highly sensitive IEM. The downside of the "low gain mod" is that if you use very high impedance cans then everything will be softer by 6db after the mod which can be quite a big difference before the mod. In short, if you don't have a high impedance IEM, skip the mod.

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