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FYI - just saw quite a few right-angled iPhone 5 cables from China

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http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=17854973292

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http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=18878302431

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http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=25974488138



This one is more like "hybrid"

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http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=20574767105



iPhone 5 to micro USB (what's this for?)

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http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=20361795459



Straight and relatively short ones

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http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=15183821502

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http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=18373046515

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http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=19091399338

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http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=20693555067

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http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=21079864808

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http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=21917820182



Simlar ones from Hong Kong

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http://www.muse-headphones.com/product_item.php?id=51
http://www.mingo-hmw.com/home/goods.php?id=2895
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=22213660659

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T1p6GtXDFXXXXXXXXX_!!0-item_pic.jpg_310x310.jpg

http://gotham.taobao.com/search.htm?scid=717067906
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=18213513787
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=18213629956
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Labkable-iphone-5-i5ag-Helix-Rectangular-OCC-Silver-USB-jumper-Free-Shipping-/281114352843
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Labkable-iphone-5-i5ag-Helix-Rectangular-OCC-Copper-USB-jumper-Free-Shipping-/281128094016
http://labkable.com/products/Labkable-i5-Series-%252d-i5-ag-7N-Helical-ROCC-Silver-lightning-to-USB-jumper.html
http://labkable.com/products/Labkable-i5-Series-%252d-i5-cu-7N-Helical-ROCC-Copper-lightning-to-USB-jumper.html



Other locations

http://store.griffintechnology.com/lightning-connector-cables

http://www.kenburgtech.com/products/lightlinez

http://keroproducts.com/products/nomad-cable-lightning

http://www.radtech.us/products/kenburg-short-lightning-to-usb-cable

http://www.sgcableshop.com/shop-2/iphone-5-ipad-mini-new-ipad-lightning-usb-cable-short-10cm/

http://www.doublehelixcables.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=102

http://forzaaudioworks.com/en/product.php?id_product=54
http://www.amazon.com/cell-phones-accessories/dp/B00CL616RC
http://www.amazon.com/Smart-Phone-Charge-Sync-Kit/dp/B004FRP4A0
http://www.amazon.com/EHUBS-Short-Lightning-Cable-iPhone/dp/B00CQUGPDS
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Lightning-ChargeSync-iPhone-Inches/dp/B00BCIRL7Y
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Lightning-ChargeSync-iPhone-Inches/dp/B00BCIR2TQ
http://www.amazon.com/Griffin-Technology-GC17097-USB-Mini-Cable/dp/B003T5KXJQ
http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Lightning-Charger-Iphone5-Jamvic-biz/dp/B00CYNPOVQ
http://www.amazon.com/Innovative-Digital-Lightning-compatible-Cable/dp/B00D6X11LA
http://www.amazon.com/Short-Length-Lightning-Charging-Cable-iPhone/dp/B00CQP40US
http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Lightning-Compatible-Cable-inch/dp/B00B5RGAWY
http://www.amazon.com/Kenburg-LightLinez-Lightning-iPhone-Authorized/dp/B00BZ0PD0Q
http://www.amazon.com/CableJive-microStubz-Compatible-including-Blackberry/dp/B00578KYZG



For those of us who would like to make our own cables, some DIY connectors are also available

Rhodium plated

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http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=18356217827

Gold plated

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http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=24799736353
Edited by seeteeyou - 7/9/13 at 1:39am
post #2432 of 5043

^^^ any Apple certified?  IOS7 will have a hissy fit otherwise...

post #2433 of 5043

Nah, they're mostly small potatoes in Asia who would not pay for that MFi program. Their profits might not be able to cover the total costs of getting certified by Apple.

post #2434 of 5043

I think I need to buy an ipod touch with 64gb, or get a classic 160gb. Need more space for the Hifi-M8.

post #2435 of 5043
Quote:
Originally Posted by ExpatinJapan View Post

I think I need to buy an ipod touch with 64gb, or get a classic 160gb. Need more space for the Hifi-M8.

Think you will go 4th or 5th gen touch if you go that route?  If I can't get the M8 to work properly with my Note 2, then I will go back to an iProduct.  30pin is familiar and easy to work with, but lightning is the future.

post #2436 of 5043
Quote:
Originally Posted by ExpatinJapan View Post

I think I need to buy an ipod touch with 64gb, or get a classic 160gb. Need more space for the Hifi-M8.

Wait for the 128GB iPod touch.

post #2437 of 5043

Hi guys,

 

This post was originally going to be quite long (still is...), but I realised that I need fast, accurate anwsers (or advice) in regards to the CEntrance HiFi-M8.

 

I have done about as much research as I can regarding source selection for my HiFi-M8 and the best configuration of the HiFi-M8 itself.

 

Essentially, I want to know if I need to change my original choice of the HiFi-M8 to better match my equipment.

 

 

First up, source selection:

I have come to the conclusion that absolutely no iPod can output beyond 24bit/96kHz and only at 24bit/48kHz max. That includes every single iPod out there, including the iPod Classic 6th Gen (2nd Rev) 160GB, which is often misconstrued as the 7th Gen iPod Classic (it’s not, in my honest opinion. Please check this thread).

 

As for iTouch and iPhone’s, certain models, especially the most recent ones (the 5th Gen series with Thunderbolt connections) can output at 24bit/96kHz, depending on the App used and an MFi certified Thunderbolt to USB interconnect. (Or a cable that has the right ‘chips’ for allowing the software to do the correct ‘handshake’).

 

Can somebody just confirm this, especially CEntracnce staff?

 

Now, onto a more important question.

I fully understand that the most recent iRiver DAP’s, the Astell & Kern devices AK100 and AK120, can connect to a HiFi-M8 LX via Toslink S/PDIF so that the HiFi-M8 DAC section can take over the DAP source.

However, can the two A&K models act as a source by outputting a digital signal via USB as well? I really need to know if it can, as this may have a major impact on my choice of HiFi-M8 and or/DAP source.

 

The next generation HiFiMan, iBasso and FiiO DAP’s are also quite interesting, but as there is very little concrete info on them (they are still concept projects that are reaching fruitarian in the near future), I want to know if anyone knows if these devices can also output a digital signal via USB.

 

Finally, back onto iDevices, has anyone successfully got a portable WiFi enabled external HDD and been able to play music from them via an App on an iPhone/iTouch?

What I mean to say is is it possible to playback music from an external storage device using an iPhone/iTouch via WiFi and/or Bluetooth?

 

 

Next, HiFi-M8 frontplate choices:

In choosing my version of the HiFi-M8, I really want the iDevice port rather than the legacy Toslink S/PDIF port on the HiFi-M8 LX, though truth be told I think the latter is incredibly useful for current devices today. After a long while, I still want to stick with the iDevice port hoping for future devices to support it (or the HiFi-M8 gains support via firmware updates).

 

Also, I originally opted for the dual combo 3-pin XLR jacks on the front, as they look cool and can help serve me on my big cans in the future.

Now, I am unsure about my frontplate selection. That is because of the following:

The 4-pin XLR + 6.35mm (¼ TRS jack) + 3.5mm combo (⅛ TRS jack and optical S/PDIF) is mighty interesting and has a bonus feature, the optical output.

I am unsure if I will ever use the optical output, but this frontplate version has four major outputs overall (three at anytime).

 

My main use of the HiFi-M8 outside my desktop rig is with IEM’s, specifically my Heir Audio 4.Ai’s. I was going to make a purchase and get an IEM cable with massive dual Furutech Rhodium Plated 3-pin XLR’s, but I am strongly rethinking this.

 

I know that I will be getting an expensive headphone can to new my new reference over my AKG K 701 unbalanced headphone, but that will be long in the future. When audiophiles upgrade their headphones they go for dual 3-pin XLR options, but surely a 4-pin XLR is good, right?

 

More so, with the exception of longer length and the possibility of extremely minor sound degradation, there is no problem with using a 4-pin to dual 3-pin XLR adapter cables, is there?

 

However, my biggest problem is that I cannot find Furutech 4-pin Rhodium connectors (or from WBT, Neutrik, Cardas, and so on), or many of the aftermarket cable manufacturers who utilise well made 4-pin XLR’s.

So, if someone can point me to either which manufacturer makes high-end 4-pin XLR’s and/or which aftermarket cable manufacturer uses, or can custom order, such cables for IEM use, then this will greatly help me in my final decision making.

 

I should be excited for getting my CEntrance HiFi-M8, but I really want the best equipment to support it at the most advanced, feature laden, future rich and most compatible HiFi-M8 I can get.

 

I thank anyone who can help clarify these questions, as these questions are what are making me unhappy at this moment.

post #2438 of 5043
Quote:
Originally Posted by FraGGleR View Post

Think you will go 4th or 5th gen touch if you go that route?  If I can't get the M8 to work properly with my Note 2, then I will go back to an iProduct.  30pin is familiar and easy to work with, but lightning is the future.

Yeah, the Hifi-M8 will ship with the 30 pin LOD, and I have a custom piccolino LOD as well.

So I will probably go for a used 4th gen (i have a 32 GB 4th gen-but the battery is a bit wack, and an iphone 4 32gb as transport only-but photos quickly take up memory space).

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by eron View Post

Wait for the 128GB iPod touch.

Been waiting, still waiting.......

-That would be September perhaps?going by Apples past release history.

 

Hmm -what to do, what to do.

Classic means I would have to clean up my itunes library and convert lots of FLAC to ALAC.ugh.

 

Need.more.memory.space.

post #2439 of 5043
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneInYellow View Post

Hi guys,

 

This post was originally going to be quite long (still is...), but I realised that I need fast, accurate anwsers (or advice) in regards to the CEntrance HiFi-M8.

 

I have done about as much research as I can regarding source selection for my HiFi-M8 and the best configuration of the HiFi-M8 itself.

 

Essentially, I want to know if I need to change my original choice of the HiFi-M8 to better match my equipment.

 

 

First up, source selection:

I have come to the conclusion that absolutely no iPod can output beyond 24bit/96kHz and only at 24bit/48kHz max. That includes every single iPod out there, including the iPod Classic 6th Gen (2nd Rev) 160GB, which is often misconstrued as the 7th Gen iPod Classic (it’s not, in my honest opinion. Please check this thread).

 

As for iTouch and iPhone’s, certain models, especially the most recent ones (the 5th Gen series with Thunderbolt connections) can output at 24bit/96kHz, depending on the App used and an MFi certified Thunderbolt to USB interconnect. (Or a cable that has the right ‘chips’ for allowing the software to do the correct ‘handshake’).

 

Can somebody just confirm this, especially CEntracnce staff?

 

Now, onto a more important question.

I fully understand that the most recent iRiver DAP’s, the Astell & Kern devices AK100 and AK120, can connect to a HiFi-M8 LX via Toslink S/PDIF so that the HiFi-M8 DAC section can take over the DAP source.

However, can the two A&K models act as a source by outputting a digital signal via USB as well? I really need to know if it can, as this may have a major impact on my choice of HiFi-M8 and or/DAP source.

 

The next generation HiFiMan, iBasso and FiiO DAP’s are also quite interesting, but as there is very little concrete info on them (they are still concept projects that are reaching fruitarian in the near future), I want to know if anyone knows if these devices can also output a digital signal via USB.

 

Finally, back onto iDevices, has anyone successfully got a portable WiFi enabled external HDD and been able to play music from them via an App on an iPhone/iTouch?

What I mean to say is is it possible to playback music from an external storage device using an iPhone/iTouch via WiFi and/or Bluetooth?

 

 

Next, HiFi-M8 frontplate choices:

In choosing my version of the HiFi-M8, I really want the iDevice port rather than the legacy Toslink S/PDIF port on the HiFi-M8 LX, though truth be told I think the latter is incredibly useful for current devices today. After a long while, I still want to stick with the iDevice port hoping for future devices to support it (or the HiFi-M8 gains support via firmware updates).

 

Also, I originally opted for the dual combo 3-pin XLR jacks on the front, as they look cool and can help serve me on my big cans in the future.

Now, I am unsure about my frontplate selection. That is because of the following:

The 4-pin XLR + 6.35mm (¼ TRS jack) + 3.5mm combo (⅛ TRS jack and optical S/PDIF) is mighty interesting and has a bonus feature, the optical output.

I am unsure if I will ever use the optical output, but this frontplate version has four major outputs overall (three at anytime).

 

My main use of the HiFi-M8 outside my desktop rig is with IEM’s, specifically my Heir Audio 4.Ai’s. I was going to make a purchase and get an IEM cable with massive dual Furutech Rhodium Plated 3-pin XLR’s, but I am strongly rethinking this.

 

I know that I will be getting an expensive headphone can to new my new reference over my AKG K 701 unbalanced headphone, but that will be long in the future. When audiophiles upgrade their headphones they go for dual 3-pin XLR options, but surely a 4-pin XLR is good, right?

 

More so, with the exception of longer length and the possibility of extremely minor sound degradation, there is no problem with using a 4-pin to dual 3-pin XLR adapter cables, is there?

 

However, my biggest problem is that I cannot find Furutech 4-pin Rhodium connectors (or from WBT, Neutrik, Cardas, and so on), or many of the aftermarket cable manufacturers who utilise well made 4-pin XLR’s.

So, if someone can point me to either which manufacturer makes high-end 4-pin XLR’s and/or which aftermarket cable manufacturer uses, or can custom order, such cables for IEM use, then this will greatly help me in my final decision making.

 

I should be excited for getting my CEntrance HiFi-M8, but I really want the best equipment to support it at the most advanced, feature laden, future rich and most compatible HiFi-M8 I can get.

 

I thank anyone who can help clarify these questions, as these questions are what are making me unhappy at this moment.

 

There are no fancy audiophile 4-pin XLRs, only 3-pin.  If the internal construction matches Neutrik or Switchcraft, it may be possible to take the 4-pin assembly and put it into the 3-pin shell.  I did this for a cable that I made for myself a while back.  It isn't perfect, but has held up for several months so far.  

 

As for everything else, you really need to make the decisions for yourself based on the player you want and how you will use your device.  If you prefer to stick with Apple products, CEntrance has developed the M8 to accept firmware updates, so if further developments are made with regard to HD material, CEntrance will likely keep up.  If you aren't able to wait for those developments that may never come, then you will have to go with the LX and one of the DAPs that you mentioned already.  If they have optical out, I would assume that they should have no problem interfacing with the optical in of the LX.

post #2440 of 5043

I have a 4th gen iPod which I modded with a 128GB CF card. Total cost for the mod about $120. $100 for the 128GB.

The new iPod touch probably perform much better with FLAC.

 

You could try OraStream. They say it's 'live-bit rate'. http://www.orastream.com/playlists/webstore 

 

Up to 192kHz/24-bit.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/orastream/id447633767?mt=8


Edited by eron - 7/10/13 at 7:40am
post #2441 of 5043
Quote:
Originally Posted by eron View Post

Wait for the 128GB iPod touch.

Is it really coming? I have been waiting for a 128gb ipt for so long...

post #2442 of 5043
Quote:
Originally Posted by fire23wong View Post

Is it really coming? I have been waiting for a 128gb ipt for so long...

 

Only rumors.  Its always only rumors...

 

But I would love one as well.  Its just the whole 30 pin or lightning, 16/48 or 24/96 debate...

post #2443 of 5043
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneInYellow View Post

 

First up, source selection:

I have come to the conclusion that absolutely no iPod can output beyond 24bit/96kHz and only at 24bit/48kHz max. That includes every single iPod out there, including the iPod Classic 6th Gen (2nd Rev) 160GB, which is often misconstrued as the 7th Gen iPod Classic (it’s not, in my honest opinion. Please check this thread).

 

As for iTouch and iPhone’s, certain models, especially the most recent ones (the 5th Gen series with Thunderbolt connections) can output at 24bit/96kHz, depending on the App used and an MFi certified Thunderbolt to USB interconnect. (Or a cable that has the right ‘chips’ for allowing the software to do the correct ‘handshake’).

 

Can somebody just confirm this, especially CEntracnce staff?

 

Now, onto a more important question.

I fully understand that the most recent iRiver DAP’s, the Astell & Kern devices AK100 and AK120, can connect to a HiFi-M8 LX via Toslink S/PDIF so that the HiFi-M8 DAC section can take over the DAP source.

However, can the two A&K models act as a source by outputting a digital signal via USB as well? I really need to know if it can, as this may have a major impact on my choice of HiFi-M8 and or/DAP source.

 

The next generation HiFiMan, iBasso and FiiO DAP’s are also quite interesting, but as there is very little concrete info on them (they are still concept projects that are reaching fruitarian in the near future), I want to know if anyone knows if these devices can also output a digital signal via USB.

 

 

I know that the AK100 will download files and charge via USB, but I don't have any documentation that suggests bi-directional OTG USB.

 

I'm lobbying for mini optical SPDIF output on the Fiio X5.  Only TRS coax SPDIF on the X3.  Again, no clue on OTG USB.

 

I suggest that you ask the question on the AK100/120 and X3/X5 threads, and report back here, sil vous plait.

 

I'm suspect about any idevice outputting true 24 bit data, myself. 

post #2444 of 5043

2013-07-10 Update:

 

- Fedex labels are printed on the first 20 pcs.

- Quick Start Guides written and packed.

- Boxes are waiting for assembled and tested HiFi-M8s.

post #2445 of 5043

^^^^ Wow!!! Congrats first 20!!!

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