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post #2116 of 5051
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Originally Posted by theThirty3rd View Post

Mike at Headfonia just posted his impressions of the HiFi-M8.

http://www.headfonia.com/2013-spring-tokyo-headphone-festival-impressions/6/
Wow, save for the vacuum tube Cmoys, mike hated everything that day... Lucky for me, if he doesn't like it, I often do.
post #2117 of 5051
X2, if you read comments here about him, most people feel the exact opposite of his impressions about gear. It's fine to hear things differently from most people, everybody ears are different. The thing I have a problem with is his inconsistency. He have contradicted hisself far to many times for me to trust what he says. Also remember he said the d600 was significantly better than the w3000anv. Still scratching my head on that one, and I actually really liked the d600.
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Looks like according to Mike the ADL X1 took the round that day.  I wonder how many Amps (vs. mA) the X1 can put out?

 

But boy, do I have a fix for the clarity vs. rich bass dichotomy he frets over.


Edited by jacal01 - 5/25/13 at 9:21am
post #2119 of 5051
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Originally Posted by placebo-fi View Post

Hey Michael, for the Hifi-M8 version with the 3.5mm/toslink combo jack, does the optical output works with a computer source? I would like to use the Hifi-M8 as a USB to Toslink converter to feed my receiver, if possible.

Yes, it will work as a USB to spdif optical converter.

post #2120 of 5051
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Originally Posted by ExpatinJapan View Post

 

USB-LOD.

Hifi-M8 will ship with its own branded 30pin USB-LOD (amongst other goodies).

 

`Do I need, or should I get a custom USB-LOD?`

 

I myself was happy with the Centrance USB-LOD I tried with their sample unit at the Tokyo Headphone Show. It sounded clear, had enough bass and detail.

 

There were slight improvements I gained with my Fostex hp_p1 with my custom piccolino 4 pin USB-LOD, others seem to found that also-perhaps the Fostex USB-LOD is more basic in its materials. (For me it was also about wanting a `low rider`USB-LOD).

-Could I tell the difference in an A/B test? No idea -I havent tried.

-The argument is that it is all just ones and Zeroes anyway being digital.

 

 

Not wanting to start a mass cable debate as that would rage on and on - simply stating that the Centrance USB-LOD it seems at first glance/listening sonically adequate for the job. Well made and sturdy. No need for a cable upgrade imho.

I think the bundled cable will be all right. It doesn't move any analog audio, only digital audio. And digital audio is cleaned up in our JitterGuard(tm) process inside the HiFi-M8 as it enters, so I don't think there would be a big difference between cables, but mind you someone will probably prove me wrong. 

post #2121 of 5051
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Originally Posted by Jupiterknight View Post

 

What are you guys actually planning to use with the M8 and how?

I'm getting the LX version:

 

@ home: I'll use it as a bedroom rig, hooked up to the tv for watching live music programs/concerts.

 

@ work: hooked up to my lappy:-)

 

on the go: my old smartphone is seriously crapping out, so I have to get something new. Looks like I'll get the 32gb Galaxy s4, and I'm also hoping it'll work with the Hifi-m8. If that doesn't work, I'm keeping an eye out on the ibasso dx50, since it'll have optical out and will work with my lx.

 

As far as cans: 

the cans that have found a permanent stay with me are:

Senns HD650, Grado Rs2, jh13, senn ie8

 

and whatever other new cans I have at the timetongue.gif

post #2122 of 5051
Michael, will the short CEntrance lightning cables be shipping with the first batch of M8?
post #2123 of 5051
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Originally Posted by bayac View Post

Michael, will the short CEntrance lightning cables be shipping with the first batch of M8?

Great question. We will be supplying a short 30-pin cable. Those have been designed, ordered and are coming in shortly.

 

Right now I cannot commit to supplying a lightning cable. The issue is complicated. I met with our suppliers. We CAN get the right cable. But there are several challenges. The cable must be Apple-approved. The chip that goes inside the cable is expensive. The Minimum Order Quantity requested by our vendor is rather large for our forecast. It looks like we would need to grossly over-buy in order to get these made. We are not ready to do that quite yet. May be several months into HiFi-M8 sales, if things are really looking up, I will pull the trigger. Right now I want to concentrate on the product first and foremost, so we have to draw a line.

 

Meantime, sounds like there are plenty of other options available, so this doesn't look like a show stopper at all. 

post #2124 of 5051
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Originally Posted by mgoodman View Post

Great question. We will be supplying a short 30-pin cable. Those have been designed, ordered and are coming in shortly.

 

Right now I cannot commit to supplying a lightning cable. The issue is complicated. I met with our suppliers. We CAN get the right cable. But there are several challenges. The cable must be Apple-approved. The chip that goes inside the cable is expensive. The Minimum Order Quantity requested by our vendor is rather large for our forecast. It looks like we would need to grossly over-buy in order to get these made. We are not ready to do that quite yet. May be several months into HiFi-M8 sales, if things are really looking up, I will pull the trigger. Right now I want to concentrate on the product first and foremost, so we have to draw a line.

 

Meantime, sounds like there are plenty of other options available, so this doesn't look like a show stopper at all. 

Thanks for the info Michael! 

 

Hmm... ADL or ebay?

post #2125 of 5051
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Originally Posted by mgoodman View Post

Great question. We will be supplying a short 30-pin cable. Those have been designed, ordered and are coming in shortly.

 

Right now I cannot commit to supplying a lightning cable. The issue is complicated. I met with our suppliers. We CAN get the right cable. But there are several challenges. The cable must be Apple-approved. The chip that goes inside the cable is expensive. The Minimum Order Quantity requested by our vendor is rather large for our forecast. It looks like we would need to grossly over-buy in order to get these made. We are not ready to do that quite yet. May be several months into HiFi-M8 sales, if things are really looking up, I will pull the trigger. Right now I want to concentrate on the product first and foremost, so we have to draw a line.

 

Meantime, sounds like there are plenty of other options available, so this doesn't look like a show stopper at all. 

 

Might make a great accessory to sell?

post #2126 of 5051
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Originally Posted by bayac View Post

Thanks for the info Michael! 

 

Hmm... ADL or ebay?

Hmm..... Since Michael said the lightning cables need to be Apple approved, now I wonder if the ebay cables we discussed earlier (and I bought a few of) will work for the M8. They certainly work the same as the lightning cable included with my 5G touch. (sync, charge). But will it work for data? Now I am wondering if I need to hunt something else down before the M8 arrives. Well, I always have my 30 pin classic as #2 if I don't have the touch working right away. 

 

If the ebay cables won't work maybe the ADL/Furutech? Is that one Apple approved? Where would you buy that, does anyone know I can't seem to find it anywhere? 

 

And a couple other things to add, regarding the impressions from Mike @ Headfonia. First off, this is just one person's quick impression. I don't think anyone should be getting their panties in a twist over this. I think Michael is right, Mike needs another chance to listen maybe under better circumstances. The thing that I question about the impressions is that he states "it's also quite grainy, just like I find the Dacpot CX (sic) to be" Well, I have never read any review of either the Dacport LX or CX where it was described as "grainy". This includes any reviews by Mike @ Headfonia! In fact, in any reviews and comparisons he makes with the Dacport, when "grain" is mentioned, the other items being compared are considered "grainy" in comparison to CEntrance products. So he contradicts himself... So for his other comments I'm not putting too much faith in. 

 

CEntrance is taking the time to make this beautiful piece of engineering to the best of their abilities, and I will wait until mine is in my hand for judgement. Most other preliminary impressions give the SQ a positive or a tip in the direction of the DACmini, which I can say is wonderful. As I have said before, if the M8 reaches even near that level in a portable format I will be jumping out of my skin. (in a good way) I am also am waiting to hear the overall impressions by all reviewers and users, not just one guy. 

 

Anyway, forge on Michael. I'm glad you didn't get arrested at the airport trying to carry too many batteries! tongue.gif

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^^^ I *suspect* that the cables need to be apple approved for CEntrance to sell them, as they are apple approved/certified, whatever to work with apple, by apple.  Apple would not look kindly on bootleg cables.  We on the other hand, do not have such constraints.  I bought 3 of the things, and I don't have a lightning device yet.  One of them has 2 pigtails, one with lightning and one with 30 pin.

 

Edit to add follow on comments - I also expect excellent sound quality.  My experience with both dacports (is it LX and CX?  Much better than LX and "the one with the volume pot", and the words of may others regarding the dac -mini give me nothing but confidence this will be so.  I have difficulty listening at meet or show environments, and the whole bustle and audio overload of show environments makes it really difficult to draw reasonable and accurate conclusions, at least for me.


Edited by aamefford - 5/25/13 at 8:56am
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Just curious: Is anyone else going to be using the 4-pin XLR version of the HiFi-M8 for speakers?

I'm planning on using them with a set of actives for my dorm room (maybe a Swan M200MKIII or something similar) and I might need some help with setting it up as I've never really had speakers before..

post #2129 of 5051
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Originally Posted by aamefford View Post

^^^ I *suspect* that the cables need to be apple approved for CEntrance to sell them, as they are apple approved/certified, whatever to work with apple, by apple.  Apple would not look kindly on bootleg cables.  We on the other hand, do not have such constraints.  I bought 3 of the things, and I don't have a lightning device yet.  One of them has 2 pigtails, one with lightning and one with 30 pin.

 

Edit to add follow on comments - I also expect excellent sound quality.  My experience with both dacports (is it LX and CX?  Much better than LX and "the one with the volume pot", and the words of may others regarding the dac -mini give me nothing but confidence this will be so.  I have difficulty listening at meet or show environments, and the whole bustle and audio overload of show environments makes it really difficult to draw reasonable and accurate conclusions, at least for me.

 

Ah, that does make sense about the lightning cables. I'll keep my fingers crossed that what I have is fine. 

 

I also couldn't see drawing real conclusions about audio gear during the hustle-bustle of a headphone show. I have never attended one, but I can tell you this: With a quick, casual listen of wildly different gear, I can certainly quickly tell a difference. (say for example a Clip zip vs. DACmini) ha ha. An obvious difference like that is easy for me to quickly/instantly hone in on an overall SQ difference. I could do that while fairly distracted. 

 

But to be completely honest, for me, differentiating between higher end gear where the differences are smaller is something that requires more concentration. I think there is a level where differences become less obvious and not necessarily a "better than the other" type of thing. More like I "prefer" something for a certain music style, etc. rather than something being flat out better or worse. It's much more personal and complicated than that.

 

I need a dark, quiet room, eyes closed. No distractions. Able to relax and focus on the music. I need some amount of time listening, 1/2 hour, an hour, a day...before switching up gear. Whether the music really draws me in and makes me want to keep listening is how I can tell if something is really working for me. While I listen to many of the different pro reviewers and certainly take their comments into consideration while choosing gear, I tend to listen mostly to reviews where it appears that a significant amount of time was spent with the product. From my personal experience, I find it doubtful that a true assessment of gear can be accurately done quick and on the fly. I doubt anybody has such super-human ability! I don't know, maybe they do and I'm a dullard. 

post #2130 of 5051
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Originally Posted by thegrobe View Post


If the ebay cables won't work maybe the ADL/Furutech? Is that one Apple approved? Where would you buy that, does anyone know I can't seem to find it anywhere? 

Here's the ADL cable's page. Looks like they don't have an English page yet but it does say the cable will be Apple approved. It'll be on sale in June in Japan.
http://www.furutech.com/ja/2013/03/15/6754/
Edited by bayac - 5/25/13 at 7:21pm
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