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ANDROID & 24/96 files ?

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Lot of discussion here to know if HiFi-M8 can play the 24/96 content (WITHOUT DOWNSAMPLING) from recent iDevice; but... what about Android ?  

 

 

--> Will the HiFi-M8 connected to an Android device be able to play WITHOUT DOWNSAMPLING  native 24/96 files ?    Which Android devices will be supported for sure ?  ( galaxy S4 ?  Note 2 ?....)

 

 

thanks for your Answer 

post #2072 of 5094
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Originally Posted by bmichels View Post

ANDROID & 24/96 files ?

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Lot of discussion here to know if HiFi-M8 can play the 24/96 content (WITHOUT DOWNSAMPLING) from recent iDevice; but... what about Android ?  

 

 

--> Will the HiFi-M8 connected to an Android device be able to play WITHOUT DOWNSAMPLING  native 24/96 files ?    Which Android devices will be supported for sure ?  ( galaxy S4 ?  Note 2 ?....)

 

 

thanks for your Answer 

There is basically no way for manufacturers of DACs to guarantee that they will work as intended with Android devices unless they work specifically with the handset manufacturer or a custom ROM maker.  The availability of USB-OTG protocols, USB audio specific protocols, and then appropriate playback apps are all over the place.  When you mix in custom ROMs, all bets are off.  There are a couple main threads for Android device compatibility with USB DACs here on Headfi and basically, it is one big crapshoot.  Your best bet will probably be a recent generation Samsung Galaxy handset as they seem to be the only manufacturer outside of DAP manufacturers who have put any thought into USB audio playback.  I can get playback via USB DACs from my Note 2, but it requires USB Recorder Pro to get 24/96 files to play without downsampling.  USB Recorder Pro is a godsend in this way, but they have no real interest into turning it into a proper music player so it isn't ideal still.

 

I am still on the fence with hi-res.  I have some well-recorded 16/44 stuff that sounds better than some of my 24/96 and 24/192 stuff.  With the expense and HDD requirements of hi-res, I feel like until the whole industry moves to hi-res releases (or more efficient compression is available), I am focusing my efforts on getting recordings that are well-recorded rather than re-collecting everything in 24/96 or better.

post #2073 of 5094
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Originally Posted by bmichels View Post

2 very Quick questions:
- what chip is used for the DAC ?
- does it has Line-in for use With an external DAC ?

- CEntrance hasn't disclosed what chip is used.  It doesn't really matter unless you are particularly brand conscious (nothing wrong with that either), as implementation is much more important to good sound than just the chip.  CEntrance specializes in digital sound so I would anticipate that whatever DAC chip they use, it will be well implemented and sound good.

 

- No analog in.  This is a digital input only device.

post #2074 of 5094

I agree that it is not so important what type of DAC chip the M8 uses, implementation matters more.

 

Now, I might be very much wrong, but I remember reading somewhere that they were using an AKM chip or maybe at one point just considering it? The AKM's (4396 or similar?) output stage runs in Class A so this would for one reason make sense and also that CEntrance have used AKM Dac chips for some of their other products. 

 

Again, not so important to me and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.


Edited by Jupiterknight - 5/20/13 at 10:07am
post #2075 of 5094
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Originally Posted by FraGGleR View Post

 

I am still on the fence with hi-res.  I have some well-recorded 16/44 stuff that sounds better than some of my 24/96 and 24/192 stuff.  With the expense and HDD requirements of hi-res, I feel like until the whole industry moves to hi-res releases (or more efficient compression is available), I am focusing my efforts on getting recordings that are well-recorded rather than re-collecting everything in 24/96 or better.

I'm with you on this one.  A lot of my buying lately is from HDTracks or used CD stores.  I figure if I'm going to download, I'll do it in 24/96 of at all possible, but honestly, it appears I can't hear the difference after testing with a 24/96 vs. the same file downsampled to 24/44.1 .

post #2076 of 5094
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Now, I might be very much wrong, but I remember reading somewhere that they were using an AKM chip or maybe at one point just considering it? 
X1. I remember reading that chip is being used in the mini.
post #2077 of 5094
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Originally Posted by FraGGleR View Post

- CEntrance hasn't disclosed what chip is used.  It doesn't really matter unless you are particularly brand conscious (nothing wrong with that either), as implementation is much more important to good sound than just the chip.  CEntrance specializes in digital sound so I would anticipate that whatever DAC chip they use, it will be well implemented and sound good.

- No analog in.  This is a digital input only device.

Well no I disagree. There are chips that no matter what you do on the implementation side, they will sound like crap. With that said, I'm sure Centrance picked something they feel confident will sound good.
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Originally Posted by Trogdor View Post

Well no I disagree. There are chips that no matter what you do on the implementation side, they will sound like crap. With that said, I'm sure Centrance picked something they feel confident will sound good.

Of course they did! I think anyone who has heard a CEntrance product would be confident that the SQ is going to be good.
post #2079 of 5094

CEntrance uses the AKM 4396 DAC chip in the DACmini.  Michael has said only that they will continue this affiliation in the M8, but not anything chip specific.

post #2080 of 5094

For those with idevices that uses a lightning connector who want a short cable, I've found a seller on ebay who's selling them cheap. The starting bid is .01 and most of them are going for between 2.00-4.00. So I took a chance since for the price, I wasn't risking much at all if it turned out to be a cable that didn't have the infamous "apple chip".

 

Well I'm happy to report, it does. And it's the perfect length, although it doesn't list it in the listing, I would say it's around 4 inches. I wanted a black one, and they're much harder to find. My idevice transport is able to extract a digital signal by using either the iphone/ipod interface or the players interface. Well with this cable I'm able to connect to it both ways, and it works just as good as the stock cable that came with my iphone 5. Here's a link to a current listing. It took me a little more than 2 weeks to get it.

 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Short-protable-8Pin-sync-charger-USB-Cable-For-iPhone-5-iPod-Touch-Black-7-271/151049199122?_trksid=p2047675.m1985&_trkparms=aid%3D444000%26algo%3DSOI.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D13%26meid%3D7821474365216952951%26pid%3D100012%26prg%3D1014%26rk%3D3%26sd%3D151041324795%26

post #2081 of 5094

Oops, just noticed he's now charging 2.30 shipping. It use to be free shipping, but you should still be able to get them for 4.00-8.00 total. 

 

I hope I didn't just drive the price sky high by confirming it does passes the digital signal from idevices. biggrin.gif

post #2082 of 5094
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Originally Posted by moodyrn View Post

Oops, just noticed he's now charging 2.30 shipping. It use to be free shipping, but you should still be able to get them for 4.00-8.00 total. 

 

I hope I didn't just drive the price sky high by confirming it does passes the digital signal from idevices. biggrin.gif

Good find! tongue.gif

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/622939/the-centrance-hifi-m8-thread/1995#post_9421366

 

...all in good fun. They really are decent for the price.

post #2083 of 5094

Lol, you beat me by over a week. Looks like you got yours before he started charging for shipping as well. I guess now would be a good time to jump on  while they are still super cheap.

post #2084 of 5094
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Originally Posted by eugenius View Post

So no curves are given. smily_headphones1.gif

Another thing I don't get is the output impedance options. I get 1ohm, I get 10 ohm what I don't get is 2 ohm. That should have been under 0.1 ohms.

 

I'm going to guess: 1 ohm = SE out. 2 Ohm = balanced out (1 Ohm x2).

 

But it should be 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.1 Ohm or the product is rubbish and the designer is a clown. tongue.gif

 

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Hmm a good iPhone source.. What do people prefer FLAC or ?WAV? Or apple lossless. I read somewhere that if you convert a FLAC file to .wav it sounds better...any thoughts on this?

FLAC, ALAC(apple lossless) and WAV should all sound exactly the same. If they don't then something in your equipment chain is flawed. Lossless=lossless=lossless.

 

Yes, should indeed. I don't notice a difference on my Mac. I did notice ALAC sounds awful in the DX100 whereas FLAC does not. It apparently has to do with the software, which may indeed be flawed, or simply far less efficient with some codecs

post #2085 of 5094

I just saw Michael posting a blog entry about his fun with assembling the digital PCBs and the SMT assembly robot, and it reminded me of this video:

 

 

That's a pick-and-place machine, which picks up components on reel and sticks them onto a circuit board at about that speed.

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