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post #1516 of 5157
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Originally Posted by mgoodman View Post

 

I have to be the bearer of sad news - we are late. We lost a month to vacations and sickness in the office and then encountered some bugs on top of that. So... long story short... current estimates for assembly place us in May. 

 

Happy birthday to me!

post #1517 of 5157
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Originally Posted by mgoodman View Post

Several people have been asking about a schedule update, so we sat down to do a schedule scrub yesterday and today.

I have to be the bearer of sad news - we are late. 
We lost a month to vacations and sickness in the office and then encountered some bugs on top of that. So... long story short... c
urrent estimates for assembly place us in May. 


The good news is that team is back together and we are moving full steam ahead. The bad news is I made a promise I could not keep. 

I feel like egg on face. And I apologize. Naturally, we are working hard to get to the finish line, but I feel like I let a lot of people down. Sorry about that.

A little more info here:


http://centrance.com/products/new/blog/2013/02/26/schedule-scrub/


Michael

Personally, I have no problem waiting. I would rather wait a bit and receive a properly finished product that works (and sounds) as it was meant. Having something rushed out could be nothing but trouble.

I really appreciate that Centrance is keeping us in the loop, and being honest about the delay. Good stuff.

It will be worth the wait...
post #1518 of 5157

Delay it another month so I can say it's my birthday gift too biggrin.gif

 

In all seriousness, thanks for the honest update Michael.

I'd much rather you send us the perfect M8 in May/later than one with problems in March.

The pre-order group can feel secure now; the M8 we're getting will be flawless, I'm sure! (Although... Flawless is kinda hard to get)

post #1519 of 5157

It's funny - I've been involved in at least one other pre-order, and bailed after a LONG wait.  With the Hifi-M8, I have been enjoying both this thread and the blog immensely - I check the blog daily, and the thread often (like 5 times a day.  Or more...).  I have enjoyed feeling a part of the crowd sourced design.  Michael, I honor you for your patience and continued excellent attitude when the crowd gets unruly.

 

As for delay, I agree with the rest of the posts - make it right, and keep us in the car for the rest of the ride.  I think a few of us saw the delay coming, as we saw through your communications to us the challenges, and the things left to do.  Here is to hoping May is not optimistic, and to not being surprised of in fact it is a bit optimistic.  No birthday gift for me, (mine's next month) but it does allow a bit more time to get my headphone recable to balanced configuration sorted out...

post #1520 of 5157

Yeah, no surprise here about the delay. Like others, I would much rather have a polished product than to be part of a beta program. There are many who got their preorders quickly from other manufacturers who would have gladly waited another month or so to get a product that actually worked properly. I'm fine with a q2 release.

post #1521 of 5157

It's OK to wait another two or three months for a bug free M8. wink.gif Because M8 is the most complicated product ever to CEntrance, predicting the schedule perfectly is almost impossible. Anyway, thanks for your schedule update Michael, and it's my honor to get involved in M8's development. Though project delay is the bad news, having more time to visit M8's blog is the good news to me. The very exciting daily job to me is checking M8's status from the blog. biggrin.gif

 

Cheers,

 

Adrian 


Edited by AdrianTW - 2/27/13 at 12:32am
post #1522 of 5157

Initial reaction after reading Michael's post:

 

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Mmaaay!!!??

 

 

...then after reading the community's calm and cool responses:

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I can take it man!

 evil_smiley.gif

 

 

 


Edited by wormsdriver - 2/27/13 at 1:03am
post #1523 of 5157
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Originally Posted by wormsdriver View Post

Initial reaction after reading Michael's post:

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

Mmaaay!!!??

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

...then after reading the community's calm and cool responses:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

 

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

I can take it man!

 evil_smiley.gif

 

 

 

LOL.......OK I'm disappointed but understand and am on board. Good things are worth waiting for.

post #1524 of 5157

Like others I'm disappointed it won't be shipping sooner but I'm glad CEntrance is making sure they're shipping a polished product. But the really disappointing thing for me is, the Province I live in is moving to a different tax system in April which means I'll have to pay an extra 10% on items coming into the country.

post #1525 of 5157
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Originally Posted by Chexxchexx View Post

 

Eron,

 

Thank you very little for your inaccurate assumptions and condescending tone. 

 

With regard to your suggestion, what exactly do you think would cause the manufacturers to converge? The intention of my suggestion was to get people thinking about how to come together in sufficient numbers and with answers to the kinds of questions I'd expect manufacturers would want to see answered. 

 

I recognize that you're not suggesting Apple will be part of the solution to this particular issue, but I hope we can agree on one thing: Apple, the company that won't support FLAC and has duped countless people into thinking their ear buds are high-quality, certainly can't be counted on to have any interest in solving this issue.

Hi,

 

Just to stick in my 2 cents I think that ChexxChexx has a good point.  Surveying users is a great way to gather meaningful information, analogous kind of to what we are doing on this thread with Michael in that we are giving feedback as to what we wnat to see in a product, and communicating directly with a manufacturer.  I have never had such an opportunity in the arena of audio equipment.  While our input is "minimal" with respect to the overall design, I do feel like we have input.  Anyway it is a very powerful tool.

 

Eron's comment is also quite valid.  I do not think it is inaccurate or condescending, rather it appears that he is considering the questions and the analysis of the data as something meaningful.  Survey questions need to be well thought out in order to apply statistical analysis, particularly in the social sciences, where the effects of confounding may not be as appearent as in applied sciences (no easy task either). The more open ended the questions in the survey instrument, the more difficult to collect unbiased data and to make an objective analysis of that data.  Also with an ever changing market and the directions of technology, the analysis of complex surveys are a moving target.  Once the analysis is finished technology may have changed as well as users attitudes making the survey "dated". 

 

It's a great idea, but in looking at the questions this is a very ambitious project to undertake simply in terms of the scope.

 

Just my opinion.  PETER  

post #1526 of 5157
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Originally Posted by eron View Post

I won't do that survey. In honesty, they are badly phrased questions and leading. Even when corrected, what you intend to do above is like a semi-structured interview that takes at least 30 minutes to complete verbally. These detailed interviews are normally conducted by Market Research firms, and usually take some incentives to complete. Considering the resources required, the resulting data does not necessary solve the problem.

--

What I think is necessary to combat this fragmented balanced connector issue is to have a number of companies come together to agree on a robust, small connector, and then manufacture adaptors for legacy connectors. Similar to how Apple is now using the Thunderbolt connector for diverse uses.

x2, Also something that hasn't been mentioned that I find very important is the size of the mini xlr. It simply wont fit the larger cables/wires. Its great for iem/headphone cables where 28g or 26g with 4 wires is used as that fits perfectly, however if you like to use 8 wires and 24g & up in size, (like I do with all my larger desktop cans) it simply doesn't fit. So you really are limited and it doesn't end up being the be all & end all to cable connectors.

Again, great concept, has it's place & I personally use it , but forget the bigger 'high end' cables.


Edited by customNuts - 2/27/13 at 6:31am
post #1527 of 5157
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Originally Posted by thegrobe View Post

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Originally Posted by mgoodman View Post

Several people have been asking about a schedule update, so we sat down to do a schedule scrub yesterday and today.

I have to be the bearer of sad news - we are late. 
We lost a month to vacations and sickness in the office and then encountered some bugs on top of that. So... long story short... c
urrent estimates for assembly place us in May. 


The good news is that team is back together and we are moving full steam ahead. The bad news is I made a promise I could not keep. 

I feel like egg on face. And I apologize. Naturally, we are working hard to get to the finish line, but I feel like I let a lot of people down. Sorry about that.

A little more info here:

http://centrance.com/products/new/blog/2013/02/26/schedule-scrub/

Michael

Personally, I have no problem waiting. I would rather wait a bit and receive a properly finished product that works (and sounds) as it was meant. Having something rushed out could be nothing but trouble.

I really appreciate that Centrance is keeping us in the loop, and being honest about the delay. Good stuff.

It will be worth the wait...

 

I can't emphasise enough how right this is and how Michael has done absolutely the right thing here. A product delay, promptly reported, plagues a company only briefly and then is forgotten. A product with bugs released prematurely taints the reputation of a company for years, if not forever. From our point of view, we want to feel good about buying a product and knowing the company has high standards and delivers a quality product is part of that.

 

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Originally Posted by eron View Post

I won't do that survey. In honesty, they are badly phrased questions and leading. Even when corrected, what you intend to do above is like a semi-structured interview that takes at least 30 minutes to complete verbally. These detailed interviews are normally conducted by Market Research firms, and usually take some incentives to complete. Considering the resources required, the resulting data does not necessary solve the problem.

--

What I think is necessary to combat this fragmented balanced connector issue is to have a number of companies come together to agree on a robust, small connector, and then manufacture adaptors for legacy connectors. Similar to how Apple is now using the Thunderbolt connector for diverse uses.

x2!

x3.  I sadly don't think this will happen until people start experiencing warn-out plugs and sockets on their balanced portable gear because both companies have so much invested in it already.

post #1528 of 5157
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

 

I can't emphasize enough how right this is and how Michael has done absolutely the right thing here. A product delay, promptly reported, plagues a company only briefly and then is forgotten. A product with bugs released prematurely taints the reputation of a company for years, if not forever. From our point of view, we want to feel good about buying a product and knowing the company has high standards and delivers a quality product is part of that.

 

 Absolutely, a couple of products that come to mind are discussed here on HF, where the posts and rants are the proof of it being better to wait.

post #1529 of 5157

Michael - the HIFI-M8 blog is entertaining today.  We also have "Squirrels" in our shop, and use the same reference.  For us, it is from the dogs in the movie "Up".  It was pretty entertaining to read that you use it also!

post #1530 of 5157

The "Fraudsters" Post from today was very entertaining as well....

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