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post #1381 of 5050
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Originally Posted by KCxSmacker View Post

Can't wait for them to release a custom lightning cable. As soon as they do I will be ordering one. CAN'T WAIT d(^_^)b

why not use the lightning cable that came with your phone/ipod

they ones they give out will be branded and shorter, thats pretty much it i think

post #1382 of 5050
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Originally Posted by Golden Ears View Post
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

Such a hard configuration decision.

 

MY GF...loves accurate sound. 

 

does not want to buy 3 systems, and 3 pre-amps and amps

 

She wants audiophile quality...

 

Car system (one wire harness)

headphone system

home system. (another wire harness)

home 2 (another wire harness) Floor standers

Home 3 (another wire harness) Mini monitors

 

current inventory ;

 

iphone 5  

Macbook Pro with pure music

airport express

(2) McIntosh 400 watt 4 channel amplifiers*

Magnaplanar Typani 1d

JH-audio 16's

 

 *the amplifiers have AMP quick disconnects- so one plug makes all the signal and power and speaker level inputs and 12 volt turn on. She has a car battery at home and may buy a 14.4 volt power supply.

 

HOME:

 

 

Digital source home is Macbook Pro using USB (controlled by iphone and remote app)

 

or AirTunes using SPDIF optical from Airport express controlled by iPhone or Macbook Pro. (so she can work and move around)

 

XLR combo jacks use (2) 1/4 TRS inch jacks to vertically bi-amp her Magneplanar Tympani 1D speakers which love current (and her amps Mcintosh MC431 are high current and can be bridged and safely operated at 4ohms).

 

 

 

CAR: 

 

Digital source is IPhone 5 with ANNOYING CCK adapter to USB. Uses Siri for playlists and music requests.

XLR runs to her amps USING TTRS 1/4 COMBO JACKS.

One 4 channel McIntosh MC431 amp runs her Her tweeter via a passive 2 way with a BG Radia planar Neo 10 midrange, and Scan Speak 18w 7242 midbass drivers

One McIntosh  MC440M 6 channel amp runs her subs (bridging 2 channels for 3 10" a/d/s RS-10 dual voice coil 6 ohm subs in series and parellel for 4 ohm load at 200 watts) and the remaining 4 50 watt channels run her rear door speakers passively bi amped.

 

On Ski slope:

 

Digital source is iPhone 5 with CCK (Uggh fragile!!!!! can we make a custom lighting to square USB cable to avoid this???) 

to HI-Fi M8 USB in.

Here is where we wish she went 4 pin.... oh well..... 1/4 TRS to mini plug adapter...uuuughhh to her JH-16's

 

debating if we should go 4 pin and 1/4" TRS instead of XLR.  Reterminate her JH-16's to 4 pin. And for those times when we need TRS 1/4" use a UGH "y cable."

 

adapters  are sad.

 

can anyone think of a better way to do this?? We don't want to give up the option for an untethered Macbook Pro- we thought XLR might be a good idea if she were to use some sort of balanced input parametric EQ later....but if there is a better solution..I would rather go with that. Getting away from teh Combo jacks means she needs a y-spliter for her TRS 1/4" and that could lead to hum issues.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Head

get a new GF that is not into Hifi and is happy with stock earbuds and lossy mp3'sevil_smiley.gif

 

jk, jk

post #1383 of 5050
ROFL
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Originally Posted by theThirty3rd View Post

Just got my shirt.

I think it improved the mids on my HD25s smily_headphones1.gif
Will report back after burn-in and washing!
post #1384 of 5050

On their recently blog update, centrance has decided to go with the raised lettering bands dispite the poll results and comments on this thread with the vast majority voting for the opposite. Oh we'll, I guess the poll and asking for user input was on this thread was all for naught.

post #1385 of 5050
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Originally Posted by moodyrn View Post

On their recently blog update, centrance has decided to go with the raised lettering bands dispite the poll results and comments on this thread with the vast majority voting for the opposite. Oh we'll, I guess the poll and asking for user input was on this thread was all for naught.

Reading the blog post, it is pretty clear that the raised lettering bands were much more durable than the inset lettering ones, the latter of which are more likely to tear.  This information was not part of the poll and might have affected the outcome.  

 

IMO, Centrance is doing the right thing to make this choice at this point.  If the bands just work, its one less thing to be concerned about in the rollout.  

post #1386 of 5050
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Originally Posted by moodyrn View Post

On their recently blog update, centrance has decided to go with the raised lettering bands dispite the poll results and comments on this thread with the vast majority voting for the opposite. Oh we'll, I guess the poll and asking for user input was on this thread was all for naught.

Well, there's a reason and its that the raised letter band holds up much better than the inset band. I for one want the band that will keep what I'm fastening it with in place. Here is Centrance's complete post.

 

http://centrance.com/products/new/blog/2013/02/14/taking-the-high-road/

post #1387 of 5050
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Originally Posted by jazzman7 View Post

Reading the blog post, it is pretty clear that the raised lettering bands were much more durable than the inset lettering ones, the latter of which are more likely to tear.  

 

IMO, Centrance is doing the right thing to make this choice at this point.  If the bands just work, its one less thing to be concerned about in the rollout.  

+1.

post #1388 of 5050
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Originally Posted by eron View Post

 

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For Team CEntrance:

  1. What's the impact on battery life with respect to using balanced and unbalanced HPs? I assumed that listening at lower volumes meant a longer battery life. However, are you always putting out power to both ports, or only when a balanced HP is used? Else when a single-ended HP is used instead of a balanced one, battery life could be extended?

The amp is running in Class-A, meaning "always fully on", to provide the best possible SQ. It doesn't care what's plugged in and therefore current drain isn't affected much in most cases. Unless you are going nuts, running the thing full open and in the process damaging your hearing :)

Most people here would know better. Try saying this on the guitar forums though sometimes... (LOL)

post #1389 of 5050
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Originally Posted by thegrobe View Post

I have a question..I have read through almost all of this thread and most of the blog but haven't found an answer yet..

 

Does this unit have an automatic power-off function? I am a little "late to the party" and wish I would have brought this up much earlier in the development stages. Anyhow, it would be a nice feature to have. If there were no signal coming on for, say, 10 minutes the unit would power itself off. Especially with the all the talk of trying to stretch the maximum amount of battery life out of the design, it would stand to reason that it would save some battery life if it wasn't on while not being used! LOL. Maybe a firmware revision or something could make this happen.

 

And if not, that's okay too. I'm pretty good about turning stuff off. Except when I fall asleep. tongue_smile.gif

We will do our best to put the unit to sleep when no music is playing. Fully turning it off however is quite challenging, since it wouldn't know when to wake up. So, we will end up with some power-saving "sleep mode", but not full power off when not in use. Therefore, turning the unit off is the best practice.

post #1390 of 5050
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Originally Posted by Aero Dynamik View Post

Thank you very much for all balanced input on balanced output! wink.gif Very interesting! Now, all I'm waiting for is if Mr. Goodman has anything to add to this matter. That is, what he thinks we might gain from the M8 having balanced output, or if it is simply there to satisfy head-fi:ers "craving" for it.

FraGGleR said it best: "This whole hobby is an individual journey to find the right setup for YOU"

 

Will you hear a difference on the balanced output? We've designed the product such that you should, provided that all the other pieces in the chain are up to speed (headphones, cables, ears, etc.)

 

Should you go for the balanced headphones? "Yes" if you've already heard an advantage and feel that you absolutely must do so. "No" if your taste needs to develop further to the point of appreciating the difference (or is already developed enough to decide that the difference is not worth it).

 

The difference is slight, like that between a $100 and a $200 bottle of wine. But for a connoiseur, it's a HUGE difference. 

 

Hope this was helpful.


Edited by mgoodman - 2/14/13 at 4:17am
post #1391 of 5050
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Originally Posted by AML1 View Post

The Hifi-M8 definitely looks to be a totally kick-ass product.  

 

Any chance a smaller, single-ended only version will be released?  I imagine that would be fairly popular, at least with the iphone crowd.  On the go, I would not use balanced terminated cans, so for me at least, I would opt for an iphone compatible amp/dac that maybe even has more similar dimensions for nice pairing.  While the price of the Hifi-M8 seems fair, it is kind of overkill for someone using say Vmoda m100's pr HE-400s (sorry to be egocentric and reference my headphones, but hopefully the point is not lost, that for people with cans in the sub-$500 range who have an iphone, a smaller, single-ended only version might be quite popular).

 

Thanks for letting me weigh in.

Let me do a Steve Jobs impersonation: "No chance in hell! That's a really stupid idea to make a smaller product -- we would never do anything like that. Our customers like large things and we deliver what they like."

 

As we know, Apple never released a cell phone or a smaller tablet :)


Edited by mgoodman - 2/14/13 at 4:18am
post #1392 of 5050
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Originally Posted by moodyrn View Post

On their recently blog update, centrance has decided to go with the raised lettering bands dispite the poll results and comments on this thread with the vast majority voting for the opposite. Oh we'll, I guess the poll and asking for user input was on this thread was all for naught.

Look, you know we are sensitive to customer feedback....

 

Most people voted by clicking the link (thank you), but several people took the time to write to me personally these long emails, explaining how we were basically shooting ourselves in the foot by offering an easy-to-tear rubber band. I should have said this on the blog...

 

So we decided to test the tearing and learned that the inset bands do in fact tear easily. What happened, is we discovered a bug, on a hunch from several customers. We then felt like we shouldn't release a buggy product out there.

 

Having said that (are you ready?) -- We CAN offer both bands. I just need to know -- Does the community REALLY want this choice?


I have a hunch the number of options might be getting overwhelming at this point :)

 

Let me know...


Edited by mgoodman - 2/14/13 at 4:14am
post #1393 of 5050

It's been my experience that the difference between a $100 bottle and a $200 bottle of wine is more so based on the location of the vineyard(s) and the reputation of the winery and winemaker, and less so on the vagaries of the annual growing season.  Needless to say there is considerable overlap. 

 

Raised letters is quality, along the lines of form follows function. 

post #1394 of 5050
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Originally Posted by mgoodman View Post

Look, you know we are sensitive to customer feedback....

 

Most people voted by clicking the link (thank you), but several people took the time to write to me personally these long emails, explaining how we were basically shooting ourselves in the foot by offering an easy-to-tear rubber band. I should have said this on the blog...

 

So we decided to test the tearing and learned that the inset bands do in fact tear easily. What happened, is we discovered a bug, on a hunch from several customers. We then felt like we shouldn't release a buggy product out there.

 

Having said that (are you ready?) -- We CAN offer both bands. I just need to know -- Does the community REALLY want this choice?


I have a hunch the number of options might be getting overwhelming at this point :)

 

Let me know...

Look, if you're willing to offer both, I would still rather have the inset. I won't be doing pulling and stretching torture tests. But if you are saying the inset is total crap and will fail soon after just from normal use, then that's different. I already assumed the inset was weaker but it's not that big of deal. It's only rubber bands. 

 

But to add, I've had quiet a few bands from other manufacturers with the majority of them being inset and none of them have failed. So again, unless the inset bands are total crap, then I'll still take it if you are in fact willing to offer both.


Edited by moodyrn - 2/14/13 at 7:09am
post #1395 of 5050
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Originally Posted by mgoodman View Post

We will do our best to put the unit to sleep when no music is playing. Fully turning it off however is quite challenging, since it wouldn't know when to wake up. So, we will end up with some power-saving "sleep mode", but not full power off when not in use. Therefore, turning the unit off is the best practice.

 

This is great to hear..thank you!

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Originally Posted by mgoodman View Post

 

Having said that (are you ready?) -- We CAN offer both bands. I just need to know -- Does the community REALLY want this choice?


I have a hunch the number of options might be getting overwhelming at this point :)

 

Let me know...

 

My 2 cents...

 

I see no reason to offer both. Although I was one who voted for inset letters, it was just for "looks" more than anything else. An uninformed decision. Now, if Michael says these are stronger, my mind is changed. Now I like the raised letters! I am much more in the mindset of "form follows function".

 

Lets keep this in perspective...this is an accessory, a little bonus item thrown in with the M8. To ask CEntrance to add cost and complexity to their end by offering both is a little bit over the top. A bit whiny. I would rather Michael and crew focus on other things to make sure the "function" end of this unit is getting full attention.

 

Okay, so we voted on it but now after testing one choice has proven to be a poor choice. We are not entitled to get both just because we voted and inset won. The engineer building this thing ultimately gets to make the call. Otherwise, we could get a few folks interested in a volume knob made out of cotton candy! We could vote on it and maybe it would win. But Michael would ultimately have to go against our wishes and ax the "cotton candy controls". Just not sensible. 

 

With that said, can we get a volume knob made of cotton candy? That would be delicious....


Edited by thegrobe - 2/14/13 at 9:02am
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