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post #61 of 252
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Thanks for posting your opinion!

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First, and i know this is purely subjective, but i find the asking price too high for what's involved. We don't really know what's involved, and that' is the part that bugs the people: what exactly are we buying? And you're absolutely right in that it's far from cheap!

 

Second, i bought my HP1000s  because i like the way they sound stock, not beeing able to compare a moded pair to my stock one (if you want we can arrange something, I live not too far away from you ;), makes it a risky proposition, because what Joe percieves as an improvement, might not be one for me, after all, some peoples prefer the sound of older RS1s to that of the ''i'' or improved models, of course, this goes for all ''i'' models. I agree; for me it is not that clear if it's really an improvement, though I would like to just "believe it", I'm staying critical.

 

Third, i have read that  for some Joe took around three months to complete the modifications, and altough i hope he stays with us for many more years, i can't help but think what if something happens while he's working on my HP2s. Joe will probably stop offering and making upgrades before "something happens", so you would get refunded and your headphones sent back to you if he decides to stop it or "runs out of parts". No biggie ;) 

 

Fourth, altough unlikely, for some reason, i'd be affraid they would get lost in the mail. Yeah.. that's a risk involved with most discontinued and rare headphones you buy remotely on the internet, and a stressful experience.

post #62 of 252
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Thanks for posting your opinion!

 

I knew i'd forgotten something, i don't agree with the fact that Joe doesn't give back the stock parts that he changes, the way i see it, these parts belong to the customer and should be given back.

 

When i took my car to the speed shop to have Eibach lowering springs installed, they gave me back my stock springs, i believe the same pricipal should apply.

 

Oh! and thanks for the offer, but my healt is not very good, so you'd have to come to my place, let me know if you're ever in Montréal.

post #63 of 252
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Well the main important "parts" here are the drivers. Joe does change them for "new old stock" ones during the upgrade – my case was a particular one in that my pair had almost never been used, so Joe didn't change them.

 

Paul (Pcf) did tell us that Joe kept the old drivers he replaced so that the free ones do not escape in the wild or fall into wrong hands. Still, I also know of Maxfazer who once asked Joe to be able to keep his old drivers and Joe did let him. So you might be able to get yours back if you ask politely, or not, I don't really know.

 

The only other parts are:

– the cable; you kind of get it back... you exchange it for a dual ultra-wide bandwidth cable, so in the end if something happens and you need to do a recable, you will be able to recycle two ultra-wide bandwidth cables (and you started with only one).

– the pads; if you buy the upgraded ones he will throw your TTVJ ones in the thrash, but if you choose not to upgrade them, you won't loose them

– finally the box; at all cost avoid sending him your HP 1000 in it's original box! and run for your life, just kidding... but yeah by default he will burn the thing down (like he did to mine), because he thinks the brittle blue foam can be detrimental to the drivers in the long run (which I think is plenty possible actually).

 

I think that... for example, while Rhydon gives you back absolutely everything, from a pair of plastic rod block to the leftover, previous version Magnum or Grado drivers, there is also, at the other extreme, Larry (@headphile.com) who will take a good sounding and lightweight red SR100 (or any other genetically gifted Prestige model), make his weird, bulkier Vixen-Darth-something wooden "art" making use of stock Beyerdynamic parts and your HP 1000 drivers, he will then throw away the functional Grado headband and soon put for sale a tribal headphone stand sporting the dead body of your red SR100. He doesn't give you back your parts, he even slaps you in the face with them.

 

Joe is definitely more like Rhydon in his practice, and I also am one to prefer when they give you back what is yours (same principle as your car example).

 

 

Well I... I would love to meet... try your PS-1000! :P, hahaha; for sure! I would love to visit you with my HP2i/HPA-1/whatnot when I'll be near Montréal. I'm very grateful if you tell me that I am welcome to do so. I don't have any plans for now but in the future I might, and of course I will ask you in advance before coming ;)


Edited by devouringone3 - 11/19/12 at 3:55pm
post #64 of 252
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Originally Posted by devouringone3 View Post

Well the main important "parts" here are the drivers. Joe does change them for "new old stock" ones during the upgrade – my case was a particular one in that my pair had almost never been used, so Joe didn't change them.

 

Paul (Pcf) did tell us that Joe kept the old drivers he replaced so that the free ones do not escape in the wild or fall into wrong hands. Still, I also know of Maxfazer who once asked Joe to be able to keep his old drivers and Joe did let him. So you might be able to get yours back if you ask politely, or not, I don't really know.

 

The only other parts are:

– the cable; you kind of get it back... you exchange it for a dual ultra-wide bandwidth cable, so in the end if something happens and you need to do a recable, you will be able to recycle two ultra-wide bandwidth cables (and you started with only one).

– the pads; if you buy the upgraded ones he will throw your TTVJ ones in the thrash, but if you choose not to upgrade them, you won't loose them

– finally the box; at all cost avoid sending him your HP 1000 in it's original box! and run for your life, just kidding... but yeah by default he will burn the thing down (like he did to mine), because he thinks the brittle blue foam can be detrimental to the drivers in the long run (which I think is plenty possible actually).

 

I think that... for example, while Rhydon gives you back absolutely everything, from a pair of plastic rod block to the leftover, previous version Magnum or Grado drivers, there is also, at the other extreme, Larry (@headphile.com) who will take a good sounding and lightweight red SR100 (or any other genetically gifted Prestige model), make his weird, bulkier Vixen-Darth-something wooden "art" making use of stock Beyerdynamic parts and your HP 1000 drivers, he will then throw away the functional Grado headband and soon put for sale a totemic headphone stand that displays the crucified body of your red SR100. He doesn't give you back your parts, he even slaps you in the face with them.

 

Joe is definitely more like Rhydon in his practice, and I also am one to prefer when they give you back what is yours (same principle as your car example).

 

 

Well I... I would love to meet... try your PS-1000! :P, hahaha; for sure! I would love to visit you with my HP2i/HPA-1/whatnot when I'll be near Montréal. I'm very grateful if you tell me that I am welcome to do so. I don't have any plans for now but in the future I might, and of course I will ask you in advance before coming ;)

 

I have no doubt that Joe doesn't keep or throw away parts to piss his customers off, i'm sure he means well, and regarding the blue foam in the original box, i believe that he might be on to something with that one. Regardless, i'm just to chicken to send my HP2s away. 

 

Yesterday with all this talk about the HP1000, i couldn't help putting them on for a late night listening session, and they sounded wonderfull straight from the headphone output of my vintage Yamaha CA-610II, what a nice way to end the day.

 

The offer stands, just let me know

post #65 of 252
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Sweet :D, thank you

 

I don't think you're too chicken I think you're normal... lol; me, Pcf, Nik, Maxfazer, we're the crazy ones (sorry guys, hehe..), owning multiples, building our rig solely around our HP 1000i, spending so much to have the master imbue our main headphone with his personal tweaks / "upgrades", etc.

post #66 of 252
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Sweet :D, thank you

 

I don't think you're too chicken I think you're normal... lol; me, Pcf, Nik, Maxfazer, we're the crazy ones (sorry guys, hehe..), owning multiples, building our rig solely around our HP 1000i, spending so much to have the master imbue our main headphone with his personal tweaks / "upgrades", etc.

 

 

Like i said in a previous post, i would never call you guys crazy for having you're HP1000s modified, after all it's not like you sent you're beloved headphones to some self proclaimed 'audio genius' who might have butchered them beyond repair.You guys have sent them to the creator of these wonderfull headphones to be improved, now, semantics aside, as far as i'm concerned, there's nothing irrationnal about that.

 

Today i went to visit the friend who was with me the day i bought my HP1000s, and i was telling her about the modifications that are available to us HP1000 lucky owners, and she was asking me if the fact that Joe does the modifications himself, makes them more valuable than stock HP1000s, my guess is that modded pairs would bring in more money, also, i was wondering if Joe gives you guys somekind of certificate that says that he performed the work himself.

post #67 of 252

Didn't you guys ever watch Blade Runner??

post #68 of 252
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Unfortunately he didn't for me (but he did one for Nik and his HP2i"s"), that is why I kept the postal sticker of the package:

 

But if you ask for a certificate or a proof I'm pretty sure that he would accept writing you a letter acting as one. I didn't bother asking myself because I knew I would never sell my 100% lettered mint HP2.

 

Also you can look for these two physical traits (but beware as they could be easily "fakeable" / imitable, so you can't count 100% on them to judge if it's an upgraded pair you're buying [putting myself in the skin of guy to whom you would try to sell your pair if it happens]):

 

(source: http://www.head-fi.org/t/622802/hp2i)

 

 

Also sorry but I don't think an upgraded pair would sell for more than a stock one, on Head-Fi or eBay. Until people becomes more familiar with the upgrade, that it establishes its own reputation of being a "better sounding HP 1000 for you", you will only get marginally more money for it (could be anywhere from 0 to 1000 dollars but certainly closer to 0).

 

 


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Didn't you guys ever watch Blade Runner??

 

nope, but I'll put it on my list "to watch"!

 

Why are you asking? lol


Edited by devouringone3 - 11/19/12 at 5:38pm
post #69 of 252
Stacker,

You make very valid points. It's a crappola of money and a heck of an amount of time.

I find the improvements noticeable across the board and don't feel the sound signature really changed per se, everything is just a little more focused and tight. Now whether that is actually worth the price, I'm the wrong person to ask smily_headphones1.gif

For me the hp1000 has always been about tone. Well trust me its still there and is just as organic sounding. I find the more bring clarity, focus, and another degree of transparency that simply shows off more of that organic tonality that really is what makes the hp1000 so special.

When I first sent my cans back in 2009, he included my old drivers. For the i mod he did include my old flats.
post #70 of 252
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I wish I wasn't living in such a dark basement room, I would have brought my HP2i with me and by the time commented its sound. I only could spend the last week of summer with it, and I was using taped bowls, which strangely made them sound radically different from my stock pair (also on taped bowls). One needs to use flats with the HP 1000i, with the upgrade it has become the only option, seeing the headphones have become very specifically tuned for them.

 

When someone has a second HP 1000 to listen to while waiting, the two-three months wait goes by pretty fast.

 

 

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When I first sent my cans back in 2009, he included my old drivers. For the i mod he did include my old flats.

 

Receiving the "i" upgrade + a spare pair of drivers is getting more like "worth it". Having a back up of (pair of drivers for) a headphone you truly love (timelessly and almost unconditionally so) is always good.


Edited by devouringone3 - 11/27/12 at 9:56am
post #71 of 252
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I know it's a peculiar question but should I keep the bag open or closed? and what do you guys do personally? (I know pcf uses such bags, and Joe Grado too)

I think it is also important to rotate your collection and not let any pair(s) sit unused for years.

Most vintage items, with moving parts, benefit from periodic exercise. 

post #72 of 252
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Oh yeah finally I decided to leave a small opening in the Ziploc bag so that they can breath minimally. (end of subject)

 

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I think it is also important to rotate your collection and not let any pair(s) sit unused for years.

Most vintage items, with moving parts, benefit from periodic exercise. 

 

I also think that; and normally I do it but I'm worried about living in a basement floor. Though I'm surely just being paranoid. I do regret not having brought at least my SR100-0. Back at my mother's it will be the first thing that I'm going to do.

 

 

My HP2 was the back up pair of my seller and it remained unused for 20 years, I wonder if it will have any real impact in the long run, like a reduction of life expectancy. I'll try my best to kill it through careful handling, gentle usage and maintenance, I'd be insulted to die before him.


Edited by devouringone3 - 11/27/12 at 10:22am
post #73 of 252
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I finally have them on my head, gosh I can be stupid... Buy a real good, expensive headphone, and not bring it with me to school; I missed them so much!

 

I'm starting to think that with flats the HP 1000 steel spring headbands are more comfortable, even on a HP2i, one of the heaviest Grados.

 

 

That's right (if you look at my avatar) I'm using (regular; I don't like the smell of the upgraded flats and the fact they leave oil everywhere they go) taped flats... I just happen to prefer having tape by a fair margin.

 

But it will not impact what I'm going to say: that the "i" upgrade sounds vastly different with bowls (and not for the better IMO; it darkens the headphone way too much), but very little it changes happen in the sound when the flats are used (but that little bit of change, I will probably agree that it is for the better, soon). Sound signature is changed with bowls (I hope these are not your preferred pads for the HP 1000, in my case they used to be) but not with flats. This is very strange actually.

 

If you ask me right now if I like them I'll tell you that I love them, but I need to do A/Bing with my HP1 to talk about the nuances between them. Plus the HP 1000 is a headphone quite difficult to characterize.

 

 

*Edit: here's another pad which doesn't function as well as I remember it on the HP2i (quarter modded non-reversed HD414 pads), maybe it's just my taste in pads that refined itself over time:

 

1000

 

1000

 

1000

 

1000

 

1000

 

1000

 

 

They look good, but they don't sound like they look. Flats are really the way to go with them, but I'm still struggling with this pad's comfort.


Edited by devouringone3 - 12/14/12 at 10:56pm
post #74 of 252
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Oh I just realized that the extra bass was due to the tighter fit of the headband.

 

False alarm, sorry.

 

 

Lol, I'm relieved now... back to the A/Bing.


Edited by devouringone3 - 1/9/13 at 12:37am
post #75 of 252

I'm curious - please post a pic of the new pads and describe in more detail what you like don't like about them.  Do they really have any impact on the sound compared to the regular flats/bowls?  I don't think they're available to folks who haven't asked joe grado for the 'upgrade' but i'm curious aout them.  i wonder whether they'd work with the normal hp-2 phones?  would he sell another set to you since you did the upgrade?  if so, what's he asking for them?  

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