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post #61 of 95
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

I just purchased my stuff through steps back when I was at that 14-15 age. Slowly go from $70 to $200 and etc etc etc.

 

I am going to sell a big portion of my collection in the comming year and stocking up on 1-2 central full sizers with a closed portable and IEM/CIEM for the college years.


That actually seems like a better idea. It isn't like I've never heard of the option, I've just been too stubborn to listen. But now that I think about it, I probably should start small.

I should really just order a set and get this over with...

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post #62 of 95
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Originally Posted by odehib View Post

The ESW9 was just by way of example. It was the cheapest woodie I could think of. I live in a south suburb, and I can testify to the fact that a Best Buy around here will not have any decent equipment to audition. You probably have to order your headphones for delivery if you happen to find a pair on their site that isn't made by skullcandy, beats, bose, sony, or those $2 earbuds that everybody will inevitably need to replace. 


I would probably be worrying about a car, if it weren't for the fact that there is already one waiting in the driveway for me once I get my license biggrin.gif . I might have worried about financial troubles at this point, but I honestly don't spend much. My mom worries about my money more than I do. She won't let me spend on things she deems useless. Smart of her, yes, but she absolutely freaked out when I bought some $40 headphones (some cheapo ultimate ears;they broke within a few weeks), and as you can imagine, all online transactions have to go through her account.


That's partially why I wanted a grado, they're supposed to sound great with any source unamped. Imagine this...

"Hey mom, can I get these headphones?"

"How much?"

"...$300"

"What????? I can just get you some headphones from best buy!"

"Umm...these sound better..."

*Weeks of contemplating*

"Ok, order those headphones"

"Oh, and I need this DAC/Amp thingy..."

"What is that supposed to be?"
"It makes the headphones sound better..."
"How much?"

"...$200 [just throwing a random price range out there]"


You can imagine how well that would turn out...

$40? My parents freaked out when I got $10 UEs... They told me that the only thing headphones need to do is make sound... All of the IEMs I own now are secret. I wonder how my parents will react when they find out...
post #63 of 95
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Originally Posted by softrally View Post


$40? My parents freaked out when I got $10 UEs... They told me that the only thing headphones need to do is make sound... All of the IEMs I own now are secret. I wonder how my parents will react when they find out...


Hopefully one day they will have understanding and not be so simple minded. Do they have vices that they waste money on in your opinion? Its a double-edged sword and so many are hypocritical about it. rolleyes.gif

post #64 of 95

I appreciate people younger than me appreciate hi-fi/good quality audio. When I was reading this thread I was delighted because these younger people didn't jumped into the the Beats bandwagon, almost all young people here in our country buy/use Beats(even fakes) when your look around you see beats tour there, studio here etc. It sucks to know they can buy a far better headphone for their cash(I actually own one but I regret owning one). You kudos are awesome. YOU GUYS RESTORED SOME FAITH IN HUMANITY!!

post #65 of 95
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Originally Posted by romulusremus View Post

I appreciate people younger than me appreciate hi-fi/good quality audio. When I was reading this thread I was delighted because these younger people didn't jumped into the the Beats bandwagon, almost all young people here in our country buy/use Beats(even fakes) when your look around you see beats tour there, studio here etc. It sucks to know they can buy a far better headphone for their cash(I actually own one but I regret owning one). You kudos are awesome. YOU GUYS RESTORED SOME FAITH IN HUMANITY!!


lol same with me. I was never into the ipod/Apple craze like so many were for so many years. It actually turned me off of music to be honest. I just was never into "what is in". Although I do own an Apple product today it's not because of a popularity contest like so many got is based on.

post #66 of 95

I was never into the Ipod/Apple craze too. I also never buy something to be "in". Btw my beats pro were presents.... if only I can reverse back the time and give me the money -_-"
Then buy a same build but better sounding headphones. HDJ-2000 perhaps :)))

post #67 of 95
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I still remember I was listening to the Apple Earbuds when I was twelve and suddenly thinking, "These suck."

post #68 of 95
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Originally Posted by romulusremus View Post

I appreciate people younger than me appreciate hi-fi/good quality audio. When I was reading this thread I was delighted because these younger people didn't jumped into the the Beats bandwagon, almost all young people here in our country buy/use Beats(even fakes) when your look around you see beats tour there, studio here etc. It sucks to know they can buy a far better headphone for their cash(I actually own one but I regret owning one). You kudos are awesome. YOU GUYS RESTORED SOME FAITH IN HUMANITY!!


I read this and immediately said 'oh if you only knew where i live oh wait you also live in Philippines'. But yea lots of people here wear Beats (most are even fake Beats) and I don't have problem with that actually. For me wearing something that no one else has ever seen in this country is enough. L3000.gif Although I don't really consider myself an audiophile at all.

post #69 of 95

Jeez.  I'm so glad the internet wasn't around when I was a teen and I didn't discover hi-fi until later in life.  Some of the collection I've read from you young members is just nuts.  That's a lot of lawn mowing and newspaper delivery back in the day.

 

My oldest son, who is 6.5 years old has the Etymotic Etykids5 earphones, a name and technology (IEM) that didn't exist when I was his age.  One day, he'll appreciate my Grados'.

post #70 of 95
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Originally Posted by alphaphoenix View Post

Jeez.  I'm so glad the internet wasn't around when I was a teen and I didn't discover hi-fi until later in life.  Some of the collection I've read from you young members is just nuts.  That's a lot of lawn mowing and newspaper delivery back in the day.

 

I would like to point out that the while on the surface it's a lot more luxurious for us compared to you in your younger days, because the cost of entertainment nowadays is relatively cheap. However, the real important things in our life cost a lot more now. Things such as real estate, health insurance, food, transportation...I can go on.

 

I don't think it's easier for us nowadays compared to say...the last generation. Yes, I have a decent HD800 setup and I'm only 19, but when am I going to afford my first home? How long will I have to save up for that?

post #71 of 95
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Originally Posted by ImperialX View Post

 

I would like to point out that the while on the surface it's a lot more luxurious for us compared to you in your younger days, because the cost of entertainment nowadays is relatively cheap. However, the real important things in our life cost a lot more now. Things such as real estate, health insurance, food, transportation...I can go on.

 

I don't think it's easier for us nowadays compared to say...the last generation. Yes, I have a decent HD800 setup and I'm only 19, but when am I going to afford my first home? How long will I have to save up for that?

Sorry for the following rant but I get quite fired up when people think that their generation is having it harder than the previous one and start idealizing the past.

 

Since you live in Australia the cost of an average house is about 7 years of earnings assuming you are an average full time worker. In 1990 it was about 5 years. The major cities have seen about an 80% increase in housing prices since 1990. This data is corroborated by many studies both by the federal government and independent scholars, however none of the "real important things" are valid examples of how the cost has gone up.

 

Life is easier now than it was before; you cannot just look at housing prices and make a judgment on that alone.

 

Underlying assumptions; I will refer to the past as 1990 since since there is a lot of data available from that time, also a "generation" is roughly 20 years. The average adult had a salary of $28,000 (mean); now the average adult earns $73,000 (mean). This is nearly a 300% increase in nominal income from about $500 to about $1400. Interest rates are also substantially lower, in 1990 the Reserve Bank cash rate was over 17%; now they are about 3%.

 

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/allprimarymainfeatures/7F76D15354BB25D5CA2575BC001D5866?opendocument

http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/free.nsf/0/5B938442AD9761A3CA2574FA0018A261/$File/63020_MAY1990.pdf

 

Housing

 

In 1990 you had a 17% interest rate. The average mortgage in Australia was $71,000. This is about $1000 of repayment a month. It was about 45% of the average wage.

 

In 2010 the average 7% (CBA). Average mortgage was $347,000. This is about a $2400 repayment (Your HD800 and amp was probably a month's mortgage for the average Australian). This is about 42% of average wage in 2010.

 

The true cost of a house isn't the nominal value, it's the financial burden to own that house.

 

Transport

 

 

A Holden Commodore in 1990 was $23,000 (cheapest V6); now it is $33,000. Thats 82% and 44% of respective mean annual incomes. (Redbook values)

 

Cost of petrol is higher now but this is more than offset by the much higher income and much relative cost of a vehicle. 

 

Food

 

Cost of a liter of milk in 1990 was about 85 cents. Now you can buy a liter of Home Brand milk for a dollar or so. You will find that almost no food has increased almost three fold in the last twenty years.

 

http://guides.slv.vic.gov.au/content.php?pid=14258&sid=95525

 

Education

 

Hard to argue this one. Primary and secondary school has always been free. As far as University education we no longer have full fee paying Undergraduate, however even during the Howard era the amount of full fee paying domestic students was under 3%. Moreover, combined with HECS and FEE-HELP as well as the most expensive band being only some $7k a semester for 3 years (most Honors and 4th years get scholarships), it can hardly be thought of expensive to be educated now in Australia.

 

CPI

 

http://www.ato.gov.au/content/1566.htm

 

CPI data sees a 80% nominal increase in cost of living since 1990. This is far lower than the nominal rise in average worker wage. I didn't bring this up as my first point because I wanted to illustrate how specific goods and services are not any less affordable now than in 1990 (except housing).

 

Unemployment

 

It was 6% at the beginning of 1990, by the end of 1992 it was over 11%. Currently it sits are 5%.

 

Luxury Goods

 

If I recall correctly when the HD800 launched in Australia it was well over $2000, now you can find them for $1500. In the early nineties anything imported cost an arm and a leg. I remember having friends in high school that paid over $800 for a PS3 when it came out. I remember going to Dick Smith or the Sony Style store and the cheapest Mini Disc player was well above $500 and the average $10 Sony Earbuds you find now were something near $50. 

 

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The cost of living in Australia is definitely not higher and I can go on about other nations to. The middle class is still as large in Australia as it was about twenty years ago. Australian values are still being upheld and morality hasn't gone out the window. Australia's gini coefficient puts it second in the world. Our nominal GDP per capita is amongst the highest in the world (higher than the US) and our PPP is still very much up there as well.

 

In every objective measure Australia (and most of the industrialized world) has been trending upwards. Please don't act like you are facing hardships that previous generations didn't have to face because that is ignorant at best and entitled at worst. 

 

By the way I am 24 and a student so I am not typing this from an ivory tower with my house paid off and a couple cars in the garage. You and everyone of our generation have it easier than those that came before us and you know what? Our children are going to have it easier than us.

post #72 of 95

^Nice summary of the economic history and monetary relativity.

 

The point I was trying to make is all relative.  Besides, if you're saving up for a house or a car, having a HD800 with a proper setup can mean a partial down payment.  I get that hi-fi sound isn't limited by age.  I think it's great you found it at an early age, but IMO, it's an age where the price of anything here can go a long way outside of head-fi.  I get it's a personal choice, and it's none of my business, but sometimes I think the sacrifice of other needy things by the monetary choices can go the wrong way and priorities get all messed up.

 

Excluding trust fund babies or with money sources coming from outside your hard earned paycheck (you know who you are), it's hard for me to fathom a teenager having $1K cans and $1K more for other equipment.  It's good to see that young members have asked the right questions and done their own discovery that a sub $100 headphone or cheaper can put a smile or your face and wallet.

 

Head-fi is a great personal hobby, but leave room for other things to truly fulfill your life.  Some of you young posters with extreme post counts leads me to wonder if you ever sleep or have a life outside of head-fi and the internet.

post #73 of 95
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Originally Posted by alphaphoenix View Post

^Nice summary of the economic history and monetary relativity.

 

The point I was trying to make is all relative.  Besides, if you're saving up for a house or a car, having a HD800 with a proper setup can mean a partial down payment.  I get that hi-fi sound isn't limited by age.  I think it's great you found it at an early age, but IMO, it's an age where the price of anything here can go a long way outside of head-fi.  I get it's a personal choice, and it's none of my business, but sometimes I think the sacrifice of other needy things by the monetary choices can go the wrong way and priorities get all messed up.

 

Excluding trust fund babies or with money sources coming from outside your hard earned paycheck (you know who you are), it's hard for me to fathom a teenager having $1K cans and $1K more for other equipment.  It's good to see that young members have asked the right questions and done their own discovery that a sub $100 headphone or cheaper can put a smile or your face and wallet.

 

Head-fi is a great personal hobby, but leave room for other things to truly fulfill your life.  Some of you young posters with extreme post counts leads me to wonder if you ever sleep or have a life outside of head-fi and the internet.

 

I think you make a valid point on the fact that our generation is more likely to pursue high end purchases. I think part of this is due to the fact that we are a generation have been given more liberties by our parents; kids in most upper middle income families are now bought a car sometime during high school (at least in the US), I don't think this was the case 20-30 years ago. I don't think it's anyone's place to judge how a parent(s) chooses to raise the child, as long as there is no emotional/physical abuse, so I will leave it at that.

 

Another part of it is that the age of independence is rising especially for people headed to middle class or higher. A bachelor's degree is at 4 years; for most people the job they get right after college is either to save up some money for post graduate studies and/or to gain some experience before post graduate studies. I think most "professionals" only achieve financial independence in their late twenties.

 

With this in mind, it is quite easy to get a part time job and earn enough for a few luxury goods, but it requires someone with a lot of foresight and conviction to say "I'm going to save the $5000 I earned over summer for a house downpayment." This is compounded by the fact that most people enrolled in higher education are likely from upper middle class families with parents who are willing, and able, to help their children with their downpayment on their first house.

 

I think this is also why in a lot of Asian countries these days you are seeing a huge boon in the purchase of relatively luxury goods. The cost of an iPhone or an iPad in comparison to the normal Chinese wage is very high, yet people are very willing to pay the money. In my opinion, and I have no real basis to back this up other than inductive reasoning, it's because the having some luxury goods and being able to afford something substantial (a substantially larger house, a luxury car) is such a large sum of money people assume, perhaps rightly so, that they are never going to reach the latter so you might as well buy the former.

 

In real terms the price of a square meter in a decent part of Shanghai is upwards of $2000-3000, there is also no real culture of lending in China. The difference between a 120 m^2 and a 130 m^3 is marginal at best, but that 10 m^2 can afford you a Rolex, and an iPhone a year for the next couple decades.

 

BTW... I'm not suggesting that everyone go out and buy a Rolex and lots of luxury goods, I'm just saying that sometimes the economics of saving up for something huge (a house) when you earn a low income (as a part time teenager) is hugely disparate.


Edited by TickleMeElmo - 8/21/12 at 12:12am
post #74 of 95
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Originally Posted by alphaphoenix View Post

^Nice summary of the economic history and monetary relativity.

 

The point I was trying to make is all relative.  Besides, if you're saving up for a house or a car, having a HD800 with a proper setup can mean a partial down payment.  I get that hi-fi sound isn't limited by age.  I think it's great you found it at an early age, but IMO, it's an age where the price of anything here can go a long way outside of head-fi.  I get it's a personal choice, and it's none of my business, but sometimes I think the sacrifice of other needy things by the monetary choices can go the wrong way and priorities get all messed up.

 

Excluding trust fund babies or with money sources coming from outside your hard earned paycheck (you know who you are), it's hard for me to fathom a teenager having $1K cans and $1K more for other equipment.  It's good to see that young members have asked the right questions and done their own discovery that a sub $100 headphone or cheaper can put a smile or your face and wallet.

 

Head-fi is a great personal hobby, but leave room for other things to truly fulfill your life.  Some of you young posters with extreme post counts leads me to wonder if you ever sleep or have a life outside of head-fi and the internet.

 

Well there is the obvious fact that teens are pretty impatient and don't need to pay for any necessities at this point. We really don't need to pay for very many things for a while, but I do agree there are some people that need to be a lot more prudent with their money ($2000 can get you...a twentieth of a year of college) but that goes back to the impatience bit. With the higher minimum wage, it would probably only take a year (probably much less; I don't feel like doing the math right now) to get a really nice system, and a nice system now is a lot more fun than a house in ten years, like the above post. But you do have a point; I have no idea what I'm doing about housing after I get out of college, mostly because I don't know where I'll be working, but it's still something to worry about.

 

And there are some cases where it's kind of hard to have an actual life. For example, when I joined, I had basically no way to do anything social because most of my friends are all around 20 miles away and had no car and biking was usually out of the question, so I started finding new interests. I started wondering if there was anything better than my Blackberry's stock earbuds, and I found this place and liked it enough to stay. But now that I actually have a means of transportation, I've found I've been spending less and less time here.

post #75 of 95

... and I would have gotten away with it if wasn't for you meddling kids!

 

 

Get off my lawn!

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