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post #481 of 2308
9/16/12 at 12:36pm
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Hmmm..... He says the 3.Ai and 4.Ai are very close (no on here says that)... And that the Phonak 232 have more clarity while I think there dip in the mids prevents that while I could likely say that the phonak have a ticker more full sound. I prefer the 4.Ai of the two but could understand some one preferring the bassier v shaped phonak.
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post #482 of 2308
9/16/12 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by Swimsonny View Post

Hmmm..... He says the 3.Ai and 4.Ai are very close (no on here says that)... And that the Phonak 232 have more clarity while I think there dip in the mids prevents that while I could likely say that the phonak have a ticker more full sound. I prefer the 4.Ai of the two but could understand some one preferring the bassier v shaped phonak.

 

Clarity, as he sees it (based on his reviews), is a bump in the higher mids/lower highs.  That said, the dip in the mids with the 232 is in the lower mids.  I can't comment on being clearer though.  The 232 has better instrumental clarity, the 3.Ai has better vocal energy.

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post #483 of 2308
9/16/12 at 12:44pm
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I have not tried the 3.Ai but in the review he was comparing the 4.Ai and the 232 in which I have tries both. The 4.Ai has more vocal energy and instrumental clarity not that the 232 had bad Instrumental clarity by a long shot (second best in a IEM I have ever heard).

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post #484 of 2308
9/16/12 at 2:12pm

The 3.Ai and 4.Ai do NOT sound similar in any way. They LOOK the same but they sure as heck don't sound the same. Looks like Mr. Guttenberg skipped a bit of his review... 

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post #485 of 2308
9/16/12 at 3:33pm
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Originally Posted by Sorensiim View Post

The 3.Ai and 4.Ai do NOT sound similar in any way. They LOOK the same but they sure as heck don't sound the same. Looks like Mr. Guttenberg skipped a bit of his review...

 

 

Well, I was thinking about your review/comparison of the two when I read his thoughts, and that was also my conclusion about his review...

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post #486 of 2308
9/16/12 at 5:40pm

That's shameful of him to end the review by claiming they are the same - that guy is a big-time slacker. 

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post #487 of 2308
9/16/12 at 10:16pm

agreed. you can tell that both are from the same family, but they don sound the same.

he missed out the fact that 3Ai have a bassier and more upfront presentation compared to the 4Ai.

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post #488 of 2308
9/16/12 at 10:17pm

I never take Guttenberg 'reviews' seriously. He often writes things that are either questionable, or just completely wrong. I don't get it; he has considerable stature in this hobby, and yet he still has absolutely no idea what he's talking about, at least with regard to head-fi. I don't know too much about speakers, but he seems to be a little better in that area.

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post #489 of 2308
9/16/12 at 11:35pm

I hav a problem with buying this product on treoo.com ... Yesterday I'm order this product uses Paypal to pay with MasterCard but the PayPal says cannot verify my card althought I typed everything correctly.. So I try and try agn same problem .... But suddenly a bank calls me to confirm a payment tat I'm trying to pay...its correct the product is the one tat im trying to buy so I confirmed but there is no any payment status in my Paypal acc!!! The company did not Receive the money at the moment....Anybody hlp pls!!
 

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post #490 of 2308
9/16/12 at 11:41pm
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I hav a problem with buying this product on treoo.com ... Yesterday I'm order this product uses Paypal to pay with MasterCard but the PayPal says cannot verify my card althought I typed everything correctly.. So I try and try agn same problem .... But suddenly a bank calls me to confirm a payment tat I'm trying to pay...its correct the product is the one tat im trying to buy so I confirmed but there is no any payment status in my Paypal acc!!! The company did not Receive the money at the moment....Anybody hlp pls!!
 

Sounds like the credit company is trying to confirm the payment?

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post #491 of 2308
9/17/12 at 12:21am

yup... and ive confirmed... wad they asking me is absolutely correct....

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post #492 of 2308
9/17/12 at 1:47am
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I hav a problem with buying this product on treoo.com ... Yesterday I'm order this product uses Paypal to pay with MasterCard but the PayPal says cannot verify my card althought I typed everything correctly.. So I try and try agn same problem .... But suddenly a bank calls me to confirm a payment tat I'm trying to pay...its correct the product is the one tat im trying to buy so I confirmed but there is no any payment status in my Paypal acc!!! The company did not Receive the money at the moment....Anybody hlp pls!!
 

I'm not really sure how we can help your bank confirm the payment?

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post #493 of 2308
9/17/12 at 1:53am
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I never take Guttenberg 'reviews' seriously. He often writes things that are either questionable, or just completely wrong. I don't get it; he has considerable stature in this hobby, and yet he still has absolutely no idea what he's talking about, at least with regard to head-fi. I don't know too much about speakers, but he seems to be a little better in that area.

 

 

Well, I guess he as a name and reputation, but I have to agree with you. Almost everything I've read from him about headphones or IEM's seem to be a bit off and from someone who isn't that much into HF. And this latest review, mainly regarding the 3.Ai part, is a clear example of this...

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post #494 of 2308
9/17/12 at 2:23am
I think while he misses out on describing the differences between 3Ai / 4Ai which looked like a very abrupt ending to something that should of continued.

CNET is for your everyday average reader not Head-fi people. So many of them are lucky to even understand the world 'clarity'. What you've got there in that review is a simplicated broken down version for everyday consumers. if he was to bust out with words like imaging, separation or soundstage people wouldn't understand wtf he was talking about. So, he's just ran over the basics. To us who understand the lingo it seems like there wasn't much effort put in. He did go into brief detail about the bass which is.....what everyday consumers want to hear.
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post #495 of 2308
9/17/12 at 3:10am
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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post

I think while he misses out on describing the differences between 3Ai / 4Ai which looked like a very abrupt ending to something that should of continued.
CNET is for your everyday average reader not Head-fi people. So many of them are lucky to even understand the world 'clarity'. What you've got there in that review is a simplicated broken down version for everyday consumers. if he was to bust out with words like imaging, separation or soundstage people wouldn't understand wtf he was talking about. So, he's just ran over the basics. To us who understand the lingo it seems like there wasn't much effort put in. He did go into brief detail about the bass which is.....what everyday consumers want to hear.


People who actually read TheAudiophiliac are not the everyday average reader. The average everyday reader watches videos that CNET staff like Jasmine France (well, not anymore, but you get the point) put out.

 

For people to come across TheAudiophiliac, they need to at least have a passing interest in hi-fi, and thus, it should be held to a higher standard, as interested parties should be subjected to higher quality information.

 

How did you start in head-fi? You must've wanted to learn more about some random product that you were looking to buy, googled it, saw a million head-fi links discussing it, and then eventually joined the diaspora. The same goes for TheAudiophiliac; it should only show up if you search for a hi-fi product, unless these are dedicated CNET readers that read absolutely every single blog they put out.

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