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post #1936 of 2308
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Originally Posted by GTRagnarok View Post

 

Great. So the W4, UE 900, and 4.ai are all good in that respect. Doesn't make choosing one any easier...I'm upgrading from the Triple Fi and they all seem like good choices.

I'll agree that they all work fine for lying on your side.  The only word of warning is that the UE900's do have some sharp edges around the faceplate.  Once I got them sitting right in my ears, they weren't a problem, but the fit may not be the same for everyone.  If you are putting a bit of additional pressure on the side because you are lying down on it, maybe it would be an issue.  I'm not trying to turn you off of them, just letting you know.  Like I said, once I felt that I set up the proper fit, the edges were not an issue for me.  The Heirs are very nice when laying on your side, particularly for me because they fit completely flush with my ears.  No additional pressure at all.  I fell asleep on my side with the W4's in last night.

 

And yes, it is a difficult decision.  I have all three of these IEM's in my house right now and I have no idea which one to keep  .  .  .  I feel like a dog chasing it's tail.  With one recording I prefer the UE's, with another, I prefer the Heirs.  The one thing I find interesting is that I don't often prefer a recording on the Westones, but they don't screw anything up either.   I feel like for consistency throughout my collection, the W4's sound best.  But I feel like they never sound magical like the other two do when they shine bright.  Ugh.

post #1937 of 2308
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Originally Posted by ethanw View Post

 

And yes, it is a difficult decision.  I have all three of these IEM's in my house right now and I have no idea which one to keep  .  .  .  I feel like a dog chasing it's tail.  With one recording I prefer the UE's, with another, I prefer the Heirs.  The one thing I find interesting is that I don't often prefer a recording on the Westones, but they don't screw anything up either.   I feel like for consistency throughout my collection, the W4's sound best.  But I feel like they never sound magical like the other two do when they shine bright.  Ugh.

 

I only keep one IEM for regular use, so the Westone 4 is good for me as an all-rounder. Just saw a 4R for sale here at a good price, and I snatched it up right away. The search is over...whew.

post #1938 of 2308

I think I'm having a fit/tip issue.  It's long story, so just in case this is common, I'll only go into detail if everyone's like, "what?"  I've had my 4.Ai for about two weeks.  Tonight I noticed that when I closed my jaw while listening to music, it changed the sound.  It sounded better.  It seemed to change more in one ear than the other.  It happened to varying degrees with different tips and whatnot.  What's up with that?  It doesn't really seem to be an issue with other IEMs.  I can't just keep my jaw shut to listen to music.

post #1939 of 2308
Sounds like you need to start experimenting with tips :-)

Also, go for the deepest insertion you can get. If you like foam tips, the Comply T500 fit the Ai series and should guarantee a good seal.
post #1940 of 2308
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Originally Posted by ethanw View Post

I think I'm having a fit/tip issue.  It's long story, so just in case this is common, I'll only go into detail if everyone's like, "what?"  I've had my 4.Ai for about two weeks.  Tonight I noticed that when I closed my jaw while listening to music, it changed the sound.  It sounded better.  It seemed to change more in one ear than the other.  It happened to varying degrees with different tips and whatnot.  What's up with that?  It doesn't really seem to be an issue with other IEMs.  I can't just keep my jaw shut to listen to music.

I also experimented with tons of tips but because the bore is unusually large I wasn't able to get a good seal and comfort at the same time. Even when I had a good seal I thought the treble/sparkle was slightly overdone for my taste.

post #1941 of 2308
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Originally Posted by Sorensiim View Post

Sounds like you need to start experimenting with tips :-)
Also, go for the deepest insertion you can get. If you like foam tips, the Comply T500 fit the Ai series and should guarantee a good seal.

I tried Comply T500 right after I posted last night.  They did seem to cut down on the issue significantly, if not stop it.  But I need to do some A/B to see if they are changing the sound too much. The thing that I don't get is that it does seem like I'm getting a good seal with the medium reds just based on how it feels, and how the outside world sounds even with no music playing.  I have noticed that these IEMs seem more picky with tips and insertion depth and angle than anything else I've tried.  If put my fingers on them and change the angle the tiniest bit, they change.  I don't really have that with the W4's, and haven't noticed it with the UE900. 

 

Any other tip recommendations out there? The double flange seems to help too, but they seem cheap and get stuck in my ear when I take the IEM's out.  Is it at all possible that given the shape of my ear canals that really deep insertion is not my best bet?

post #1942 of 2308
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Originally Posted by ethanw View Post

 

Any other tip recommendations out there? The double flange seems to help too, but they seem cheap and get stuck in my ear when I take the IEM's out.  Is it at all possible that given the shape of my ear canals that really deep insertion is not my best bet?

Try the dual flange Mee tips, they fit the .Ai perfectly. Here is a link with the item #'s: (any Mee tips with "-50" in the part # work:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/621602/heir-audio-4-ai-appreciation-impression-review-thread/1260#post_8826881

post #1943 of 2308

4 Ai arrived yesterday!  Fantastic.  The first worthy upgrade to my RE-262 that I've found hard to beat until now.  

 

Stock tips working out great.

 

Sunny was a pleasure to deal with.  I changed my mind on the color and upgraded to the premium package.  They took care of it no problem.

 

Now I just have to go the start of this thread and read it all the way through.  I want to find out what you guys are using for amps and/or DAPs with this IEM.  My Portaphile amp is too powerful and a bit too much hiss for my liking.  Apuresound does sell a 75 ohm impedance adapter though searches on the topic seem to suggest that is not the way to go.  I like what I am hearing just out of the iPhone 4s but curious to see what else are good matches.    

post #1944 of 2308

Still loving these guys. I'm actually finding myself using IEMs more and more, even though I miss the immersive sound of full-sized headphones, I love the detailing that the 4.Ais give. That and the awesome portability. No amping required.

post #1945 of 2308

I wasn't expecting it to sound this good from just my iPhone.  I was just thinking it might sound even better from a higher-end DAP but maybe not.................

 

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Originally Posted by HeroicPenguin View Post

Still loving these guys. I'm actually finding myself using IEMs more and more, even though I miss the immersive sound of full-sized headphones, I love the detailing that the 4.Ais give. That and the awesome portability. No amping required.

post #1946 of 2308
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I wasn't expecting it to sound this good from just my iPhone.  I was just thinking it might sound even better from a higher-end DAP but maybe not.................

 

 

 

I do recall that someone in here mentioned that amping with the Hippo Cricri took these to another dimension....


Edited by Winter Charm - 12/15/12 at 10:34pm
post #1947 of 2308

any chance we can get a group rate on these?  seriously interested in a pair.

post #1948 of 2308
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I wasn't expecting it to sound this good from just my iPhone.  I was just thinking it might sound even better from a higher-end DAP but maybe not.................

 

nooooo... definitely amp it...amping is good. amping makes me happy with the 4.Ais.

post #1949 of 2308

Well, I went back this morning to the iPhone 4s > CLAS -dB > Portaphile 627 > 4.Ai

 

The problem was the CLAS and not the Portaphile.  I need to read up more on this but I suspect the CLAS has more voltage increase into the Portaphile than the iPhone directly to the Portaphile.  The end result is possibly higher gain to the 4.Ai which is a pretty sensitive IEM.  What would also happen was that as I increased the volume on the amp the right channel of the 4.Ai would cut out then the left.  Do these 4.Ai have a protection circuit in them so that when too much power is introduced the damage is minimized by some sort of switch?  This same phenomenon doesn't happen with my RE-262 but they can also take a lot of power so the CLAS isn't doing anything wrong, just may not be ideal with the 4.Ai.  Keep in mind as well, if you don't listen too loud, none of this is an issue.  Like I said, I need to read this thread from the start so I'm sorry if you guys have already covered this.

 

The end result, the iPhone 4s > Portaphile > 4.Ai is pretty spectacular.  These 4.Ai don't need much amplification but it can help bring them to an even higher level.  I'm very impressed by these 4.Ai.  They do everything my 262 can do but with better transparency and detail.  Which they should because of the price tag, but still appreciated that when I spend extra money for IEM that the performance is still there to match the cost.  Ok, enough of me, I've only had these since Friday evening.  I need to now get to know these IEMs and read this thread.  Cheers.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Cotnijoe View Post

nooooo... definitely amp it...amping is good. amping makes me happy with the 4.Ais.

post #1950 of 2308

Guys.... I went to take a look at the heir audio order page...

 

the 4.ai + is 20% off!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D

 

http://www.heiraudio.com/Order.html

 

:) Now I'm really really really tempted to get a pair... any idea how long the sale will last? 

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