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Thanks for the IEM suggestions, guys. I'll be looking into those soon.

 

I just left these burning most of the day yesterday and overnight. I have to say, from a complete noob who knows nothing about hi-fi and doesn't consider himself an audiophile, I can definitely notice the harshness settling down. I can listen to the same song I was having problems with, at a much higher volume, and it already sounds way smoother and actually fairly pleasant now (when it would nearly pierce my ears at a lower volume before). I'll leave these burning for the rest of the weekend and give my impressions then.

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Originally Posted by CapitaFK View Post

Thanks for the IEM suggestions, guys. I'll be looking into those soon.

 

I just left these burning most of the day yesterday and overnight. I have to say, from a complete noob who knows nothing about hi-fi and doesn't consider himself an audiophile, I can definitely notice the harshness settling down. I can listen to the same song I was having problems with, at a much higher volume, and it already sounds way smoother and actually fairly pleasant now (when it would nearly pierce my ears at a lower volume before). I'll leave these burning for the rest of the weekend and give my impressions then.


That's exactly what happened with my S500's after burn in as well

post #4713 of 8298
Wow listening to these for the first time in awhile except for an occasional movie. Mumford and sons sounds so amazing on these.smily_headphones1.gif
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Wow listening to these for the first time in awhile except for an occasional movie. Mumford and sons sounds so amazing on these.smily_headphones1.gif

I can't hear them without automatically thinking of this.....biggrin.gif

 

 

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I can't hear them without automatically thinking of this.....biggrin.gif






HAHA that fits perfect. Cant take these off right now just going through all the songs on my Note 2 and enjoying them too much.
post #4716 of 8298
Fedex just delivered my Westone 4s. Time for the JVCs to come off.:biggrin.gif
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I am a new owner of these, and I'm not a big fan yet. I bet they just need burn in, but there's this airy feeling that feels like it's overpowering the detail, and the soundstage/imaging seems a lot less accurate/pinpointed and as a result feels smaller/narrower (but I think it's actually similar/slightly larger if you look at only how far things appear on the left and right). Comparing to my Klipsch Image S4 IEMs FYI.

 

One other thing I noticed that is making me want to return these,

 

They're backwards. Like, you know how they fold flat? If I have them oriented correctly with the right on my right, they fold flat AWAY from me. What gives??? mad.gif

This 99% ruins the exact reason I wanted full cans: to keep something around my neck all the time without worrying about the tips falling, pulling off (like my IEMs) and not having them dangle/swing everywhere. Plus when I fold them flat against me (flipping the L and R), they pinch my neck. I might be able to get used to that, but if they don't fold flat correctly, there's no point anyway.

Is this a defect, or just something I have to accept? Maybe I could figure out how to flip L and R in my settings on my iPod Classic since I have Rockbox...

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Still confused on the L/R folding thing but I'm starting to like these a bit more, the bass is loosening up and I'm liking it for hip hop. I'm used to 650s so it's nice to have. Still has a bit of that airy feeling it seems, if I look for it. Vocals still have that sheen or sorta dullness. Not this extreme but slightly similar to holding your nose and talking. I'll give it a while, let them burn in overnight hoping my amp doesn't get too hot (it's SS though; this would be my first time burning in headphones off of my head).

 

Edit (like updates while still writing): Just added some EQ, seems to be OK, I might play around with it a bit. Adding some treble seemed to help with that dullness, and I upped the bass a bit too but not as much as the treble. Soundstage has opened up too (not affected by EQ fyi), it's good when it's called for, like I heard a bomb go off a bit like towards my upper left and it was a bit far away, in front of me. Never even heard that from main cans, excellent! I'll start comparing to my S4 after a couple days use.

 

Update on comfort: my ears are starting to hurt after around, eh, 30min straight? Hmm..I'd wanted to try a pad mod or something too to try changing the sound a bit, might as well factor in comfort too. But I'll try to get used to it, break them in.

 

Also, I can just put them around my neck oriented correctly without folding them flat and it's actually more comfortable, less tight. Still a bit weird, though.

 

I'll hold off on posting and let some others come in too so I don't monopolize the thread, that's not my intention, just sharing. But I could probably make a few posts a day if I don't hold back. I'd love to hear your responses. Peace...

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Originally Posted by jtaylor991 View Post

Still confused on the L/R folding thing but I'm starting to like these a bit more, the bass is loosening up and I'm liking it for hip hop. I'm used to 650s so it's nice to have. Still has a bit of that airy feeling it seems, if I look for it. Vocals still have that sheen or sorta dullness. Not this extreme but slightly similar to holding your nose and talking. I'll give it a while, let them burn in overnight hoping my amp doesn't get too hot (it's SS though; this would be my first time burning in headphones off of my head).

Edit (like updates while still writing): Just added some EQ, seems to be OK, I might play around with it a bit. Adding some treble seemed to help with that dullness, and I upped the bass a bit too but not as much as the treble. Soundstage has opened up too (not affected by EQ fyi), it's good when it's called for, like I heard a bomb go off a bit like towards my upper left and it was a bit far away, in front of me. Never even heard that from main cans, excellent! I'll start comparing to my S4 after a couple days use.

Update on comfort: my ears are starting to hurt after around, eh, 30min straight? Hmm..I'd wanted to try a pad mod or something too to try changing the sound a bit, might as well factor in comfort too. But I'll try to get used to it, break them in.

Also, I can just put them around my neck oriented correctly without folding them flat and it's actually more comfortable, less tight. Still a bit weird, though.

I'll hold off on posting and let some others come in too so I don't monopolize the thread, that's not my intention, just sharing. But I could probably make a few posts a day if I don't hold back. I'd love to hear your responses. Peace...
Just let them burn in to some drum and bass overnight for a week or so... fold them and put the pads facing down in the table so it;s hard to hear, but loud enough you can hear it... if they're bothering you (The sound coming from the loudness) toss a towel or pillow on them. smily_headphones1.gif
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Post away... all the way until you get to the recommended 500 hours of burn in lol! A simple mod is the HM5 pads, which balances out the sound, and enhances the comfort greatly.
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Post away... all the way until you get to the recommended 500 hours of burn in lol! A simple mod is the HM5 pads, which balances out the sound, and enhances the comfort greatly.

That's what I'd had in mind. gopanthers1 is my mentor in all this, he recommended them with saying they have a slightly larger soundstage and a bit more bass, nothing else sound wise (from what I remember). What are some others' opinions? So far a 4.5dB EQ up on bass and 6 on treble in Rockbox on my iPod has me where I want (except the current hip hop album, bass is starting to hurt a bit, I'll play around with it). And sorry if I misquoted panthers...

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This JVC HA-S500 has really restored my faith in the sub-$100 realm of headphones.  I've owned more expensive headphones like the HE-500, HD650, and LCD-2 but I have no hesitation using these HA-S500 w/ HD-25 velour pads.  Technically the other headphones are probably better but in terms of enjoyment these S500 are a blast.  My guess is I'm enjoying the return to forwardness and the boom.  Best $55 I've spent in my two years of Head-fi followed by the $45 HifiMeDIY Sabre DAC.      

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Oh yeah, could someone link me to some pads and diff. attributes of each? At least HM5. That'd be so awesome :)

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Originally Posted by WAYNENUMM View Post

Post away... all the way until you get to the recommended 500 hours of burn in lol! A simple mod is the HM5 pads, which balances out the sound, and enhances the comfort greatly.
That's what I'd had in mind. gopanthers1 is my mentor in all this, he recommended them with saying they have a slightly larger soundstage and a bit more bass, nothing else sound wise (from what I remember). What are some others' opinions? So far a 4.5dB EQ up on bass and 6 on treble in Rockbox on my iPod has me where I want (except the current hip hop album, bass is starting to hurt a bit, I'll play around with it). And sorry if I misquoted panthers...
The HM5 pads have a little less bass, but someone a few pages back did a mod which he said made the bass more than stock! basshead.gif
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Oh yeah, could someone link me to some pads and diff. attributes of each? At least HM5. That'd be so awesome smily_headphones1.gif
I've had this saved for a while, I used it to see what did what. biggrin.gif (I forgot who posted this, it's just a word document on my PC, thanks a ton though! redface.gif )

Hi,
 
thanks for all the pad and other mod ideas posted in this thread, been fun times trying different configurations on the now three 500s in the family.
 
These phones really are something special in terms of value for money and for doing mods. Thought to share my findings again. Sorry, a bit of a long post, but hopefully useful for anybody modding or further explorations of mods:
 
My favorite configuration on the oldest pair with hundreds of hours of use so far, primarily used iPod Classic and to some extent the other stuff in my sig to test the sound:
 
added a flat round 2 mm thick cotton swab (simple cosmetics stuff) inside the cup behind the driver covering the whole cup bottom
   --> reducing the level or maybe unevenness of the high mids or highs which caught my ear (I dislike prominent mid-high and treble and esp. treble distortion) by reducing reflections
ATH pleather pad
   --> reduce the bass compared to stock, HD25 and Noontec Zoro pads by unblocking the bass ports and maybe by reducing the bass lense formed by the stock pad with smaller diameter hole
   --> increased sound stage a bit and comfort
   --> highs a bit shrill/prominent and mids tend to get shouty on higher volumes, due to larger hole
added with a HD25 pad foam disc on the ear side of the pad
   --> reduce the highs and mids a bit bv attenuating them with the foam
taped over the bass ports under the pad and also the slot for sliding the pads in place
   --> restored some of the bass when the mids and highs became a bit too much with the ATH pads
HM5 pads over the ATH pleather pads, kept in place with the O-ring
   --> much bigger soundstage with increased height and depth, and comfort is out of this world, due to moving the drivers away from ears
   --> again, changed highs to be a bit shrill/prominent and mids too shouty
   --> the O-ring sealing in effect the vents from inside the cup and pad to the groove for the pads seems to emphasize the low bass and/or tighten the bass, tried this also without HM5 pads
added a 2 mm thick flat cotton swab thick cut to fit the inner diameter of the ATH pleather pad on the ear side of the pad
   --> reduce the highs and the mids by attenuation. A larger diameter swab made the sound veiled, this seemed to strike a balance between detail/clarity and reducing the mids and highs
 
I tried to modify many other ways but seems I cannot improve this configuration with anything I have thought of so far short of starting to do irreversible mods or mass loading. Things I tried and did not like:
bblocking one or both of the bass ports on the back of the driver
   --> bass reduced a bit, but felt that this was unnecessary with the ATH pads and may have reduced the soundstage
only velour pads of ATH or HD25
   --> bass disappeared, shrill highs, shouty mids
only HM5 pads with or withou O-ring
   -->  shrill highs, shouty mids
HD25 pads
   --> still a bit too much bass
   --> soundstage smaller and mids took a step back
disconnect and reverse the cups and try to have the pads angled towards back of the head with various cotton and cardboard pieces under the HM5 pads to get even better soundstage
   --> comfort and positioning not good, sound got skewed with the angling however I tried
 
Things to try still
only HM5 pads padded with cotton. I suspect that the highs and the bass may still be a bit too much for me, as well as the bass
?
 
The remaining issue I have with the above configuration is that the sounds gets a bit shouty/mid emphasized when turning the volume up from normal low level listening. Any ideas how to fix that would be appreciated.
 
And I cannot help wondering whether angling the drivers towards the back of the head a bit would not provide an even better soundstage.
 

All based on my ears, my equipment, my brain and biases, YMMV.
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