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post #7846 of 8034
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Originally Posted by RoMee View Post

So you believe in burn in.

Burn-in is real.

The main exception made is that listeners are just getting used to the sound of a can.

Great idea. Excellent possible flaw.

Except I have my cans on a separate solid state amp set up to treat 4 at a time as they burn in and I listen to them out of the box for 30 minutes and then put them on the burn-in circuit for several days. If they come with a case or a box, they stay in that whilst they are treated.

During that time I listen to a different pair of cans, so there is no 'getting used to' anything as I don't listen to the newer hps during the interim.

The change in sound for some hps is very obvious.

You listen to a set list of tunes when you unbox and make notes, you put it into the burn-in circuit and you make new notes listening to the same sources after burn-in. Some hps change. Some do not.

The usual issues are bass becomes tighter, cans with a midrange mid-fi or bass bloom have that lessen or disappear (S500 I hope), some have odd lobing of the FR or soundstage (668b) that 'integrates' over time. So on...

My S500's, 662bs, 681f's and Pro 80's are all in the loop right now.

My current listening is from the 681b's or 668b's. My other IEM's and hps are already burnt in.

Consider the possibility that some people can hear things that you cannot.
Edited by marone - 12/19/13 at 9:29pm
post #7847 of 8034
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Originally Posted by marone View Post


Burn-in is real.

The main exception made is that listeners are just getting used to the sound of a can.

Great idea. Excellent possible flaw.

Except I have my cans on a separate solid state amp set up to treat 4 at a time as they burn in and I listen to them out of the box for 30 minutes and then put them on the burn-in circuit for several days. If they come with a case or a box, they stay in that whilst they are treated.

During that time I listen to a different pair of cans, so there is no 'getting used to' anything as I don't listen to the newer hps during the interim.

The change in sound for some hps is very obvious.

You listen to a set list of tunes when you unbox and make notes, you put it into the burn-in circuit and you make new notes listening to the same sources after burn-in. Some hps change. Some do not.

The usual issues are bass becomes tighter, cans with a midrange mid-fi or bass bloom have that lessen or disappear (S500 I hope), some have odd lobing of the FR or soundstage (668b) that 'integrates' over time. So on...

My S500's, 662bs, 681f's and Pro 80's are all in the loop right now.

My current listening is from the 681b's or 668b's. My other IEM's and hps are already burnt in.

Consider the possibility that some people can hear things that you cannot.

 

Good for you buddy. 

 

 

 

 

Learn to let things go, it's not healthy. 


Edited by RoMee - 12/19/13 at 10:33pm
post #7848 of 8034

MY personal opinion is that burn-in is real...to a totally insignificant degree. I think drivers stretch and flex, but it doesn't change anything enough for someone to notice. (I also read that burn-in happens in the first split-second of the drivers flexing, which probably happens in QA.) I remember having the opposite experience as marone: I let a "burn-in" loop play for days (I didn't listen to the cans) and when I first listened to them after, my brain went "WOW!" but my ears were all-in-all hearing the same thing. I think it's a placebo whether or not you're listening to them!

 

But, I really don't want to argue about burn in anymore. It devolves into a volley of platitudes. Eventually, someone starts evoking the stipulations of free speech. :jecklinsmile: That's when you know the argument is futile: when "argument" becomes a topic. I gotta hand it to you, RoMee, I'm so sick of burn-in talk that I can't bring myself to resent the JPEG angle you're taking with this one.

post #7849 of 8034

Burn-in could very well be the placebo effect...but I agree that is does have a small effect on the sound signature of the transducer.

post #7850 of 8034

Hey guys, I wanted to ask a question about these. I just bought mine from amazon used, and I was wondering if there's a hiss whenever there's no music playing. Whenever I plug it my macbook or the 3ds, there's some kind of static even though the volume is all the way down. It doesn't do this with my iPod touch except if I turn off the music and put the volume all the way up. If there's a real problem, I might return these guys.

 

Thanks!

post #7851 of 8034

I just got mine in the mail today and noticed this noise, almost sounds like gsm signal interference as well, and they are new. I've got a Mac Mini with a Fiio E17 run via usb, using the dac, and the noise is there with the E17. When I connect them to the iPhone 5s, the noise is gone. Weird. Doesn't seem to effect the music though, and these sound great, though there is not much of a soundstage at all... 

 

Been enjoying the sub bass on these. The music on this one really shines on these:

 

 


Edited by Wasatchsummits - 12/21/13 at 4:21pm
post #7852 of 8034
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Originally Posted by UnicornSlaya View Post
 

Hey guys, I wanted to ask a question about these. I just bought mine from amazon used, and I was wondering if there's a hiss whenever there's no music playing. Whenever I plug it my macbook or the 3ds, there's some kind of static even though the volume is all the way down. It doesn't do this with my iPod touch except if I turn off the music and put the volume all the way up. If there's a real problem, I might return these guys.

 

Thanks!

 

The hiss is caused by the headphone amplifier in your macbook. iPod has a much better one, that's why it's less prone to hiss.

post #7853 of 8034

Well, I guess that would make sense. Would that go the same for the 3DS? I thought something was wrong with the headphones lol. I might get a headphone amp is that is the case

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post #7854 of 8034
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Originally Posted by UnicornSlaya View Post
 

Well, I guess that would make sense. Would that go the same for the 3DS? I thought something was wrong with the headphones lol. I might get a headphone amp is that is the case

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Yes, get a good amp, e.g. FIIO E12

post #7855 of 8034
No hiss from my FiiO E11 on them.
post #7856 of 8034

Went back and re-checked the noise out of the E17, doesn't seem to be happening now. Odd. The only time I get any noise is if the volume is cranked without any playback. 

 

With all the burn-in banter aside, does the soundstage on these open up a bit after say, 100 hours? Curious... Otherwise these sound pretty good otherwise. 

post #7857 of 8034
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Originally Posted by UnicornSlaya View Post
 

Well, I guess that would make sense. Would that go the same for the 3DS? I thought something was wrong with the headphones lol. I might get a headphone amp is that is the case

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dude you dont need an amp.  and amping the 3ds would be amping an already bad sounding amped signal.  

post #7858 of 8034
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Originally Posted by UnicornSlaya View Post

Well, I guess that would make sense. Would that go the same for the 3DS? I thought something was wrong with the headphones lol. I might get a headphone amp is that is the case
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an amp is unnecessary, but a dedicated dac would fix the problem on the iMac, it plugs into a usb slot and makes the audio a bit more clear too, the 3ds, however, will not be able to be silent as it does not support dacs and the issue is in the hardware. If you want a cheap dac/amp combo i have an e7, you can use the amp on your itouch and 3ds without the dac, and you can use both the amp and dac on your imac, pm me of interested, i have no idea on the price, but i dont use it often so we can work a price out, if you wanna spend more on just a dac the modi or odac is pretty nice, but youd need an amp for them.
post #7859 of 8034
Day 10 of burn-in and the issues remain.

The HA-s500 has a euphonic, mid-fi, lower mid and upper, bass bloom that makes music sound better, but that's not hi-fi or 'good sound'.

Nirvana "On a Plain" Kris and Kurt's guitars are lumped into one molten blob, cannot tell them apart. Contrast with Superlux 662b or Takstar Pro 80 which can separate the instruments.

S500 does pull detail out and has a rich full sound, but it slams everything right into your face with diminished sound-stage and instruments that are are fat circles of sound coming from...somewhere over there.

This would be recommended for a portable rig, first time head phone for someone in this price range who has not listened to many other portable on-ear choices. Even at, or below, this price range, most of my hps surpass the S500 in most or all areas.

There are many better cans at less money and my current collection has ample choices at or below this price.

The KSC-75 would be an excellent choice, the CAL 1.0 as well. Pro 80 clearly far superior.

The HA-S500 is good for bass fans, that must be the allure. EDM and electronica perhaps.
post #7860 of 8034
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Originally Posted by marone View Post

Day 10 of burn-in and the issues remain.

The HA-s500 has a euphonic, mid-fi, lower mid and upper, bass bloom that makes music sound better, but that's not hi-fi or 'good sound'.

Nirvana "On a Plain" Kris and Kurt's guitars are lumped into one molten blob, cannot tell them apart. Contrast with Superlux 662b or Takstar Pro 80 which can separate the instruments.

S500 does pull detail out and has a rich full sound, but it slams everything right into your face with diminished sound-stage and instruments that are are fat circles of sound coming from...somewhere over there.

This would be recommended for a portable rig, first time head phone for someone in this price range who has not listened to many other portable on-ear choices. Even at, or below, this price range, most of my hps surpass the S500 in most or all areas.

There are many better cans at less money and my current collection has ample choices at or below this price.

The KSC-75 would be an excellent choice, the CAL 1.0 as well. Pro 80 clearly far superior.

The HA-S500 is good for bass fans, that must be the allure. EDM and electronica perhaps.

 

If you have a 5-band equalizer handy, I highly suggest these headphones as a possible upgrade.  The EQ settings I use are -9 / -12 / +2 / +7 / +9.  My review at Amazon.


Edited by Darknecron - 12/25/13 at 10:08am
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