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post #436 of 1554
Thread Starter 

Updated first post with link to first impressions on the AH-D400. Review being posted shortly at same link.

post #437 of 1554

I can't believe noone has done a dedicated review thread for the D-600 yet.

 

I read in another thread someone saying he had auditioned them and said that they are quite different from d2k and d5k, not really comparable. He also said that D-600 sound better than d5k unamped. Apparently isolation is also excellent, but we heard this before in this thread. Still not sure about dropping $500 on these.

 

I see, though that d5k prices on amazon are still above $500.

 

Decision, decisions...

post #438 of 1554
Hi there, not really an audiophile, but here's my D600 out-of-box impressions.
 
Received only yesterday and paired with the ODAC/O2 as my laptop rig, the bass is the first thing that captures your attention. In some songs, like David Guetta's, the D600 would deliver great and deep bass, slightly more than HFi2400 even, IMO. However, the bass is always nicely controlled and tight, not intruding into the mids. The D600s have both ample quantity and quality bass, maybe boosted in the midbass IMO; but not overly emphasised.
 
The mids are fine and smooth, but sometimes they lack a bit a bit of volume especially if you have listened to mid-centric headphones; but overall are still smooth. Prefer the mids of my srh1840 in that relation.
 
Treble is clear and detailed, non-sibilant and non-fatigue. 
 
Soundstage is deep and good separation. The Imaging is quite similar to that of HFi 2400s are known for IMO.
 
IMO the D600s are fun, fast attacking and falls into the musical headphones category. The Denons not do sound grainy at all and are detailed and smooth. It shines the most at pop, rock, rnb, electronic IMO.
post #439 of 1554
 
 
 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by kenji458 View Post

Hi there, not really an audiophile, but here's my D600 out-of-box impressions.
 
Received only yesterday and paired with the ODAC/O2 as my laptop rig, the bass is the first thing that captures your attention. In some songs, like David Guetta's, the D600 would deliver great and deep bass, slightly more than HFi2400 even, IMO. However, the bass is always nicely controlled and tight, not intruding into the mids. The D600s have both ample quantity and quality bass, maybe boosted in the midbass IMO; but not overly emphasised.
 
The mids are fine and smooth, but sometimes they lack a bit a bit of volume especially if you have listened to mid-centric headphones; but overall are still smooth. Prefer the mids of my srh1840 in that relation.
 
Treble is clear and detailed, non-sibilant and non-fatigue. 
 
Soundstage is deep and good separation. The Imaging is quite similar to that of HFi 2400s are known for IMO.
 
IMO the D600s are fun, fast attacking and falls into the musical headphones category. The Denons not do sound grainy at all and are detailed and smooth. It shines the most at pop, rock, rnb, electronic IMO.


Never heard headphone you comparing to so can't comment  but otherwise will almost completely agree to what you said about D600 except that mid-bass boost will depend on the recording cause I only heard on some of them but what is most important that bass is not blleeding into mids

 
post #440 of 1554

Hello,

I like to know if the headphone output of my DJ Controller is sufficiently amplified for the D600?

headphone
Impedance: 16 Ohms - 600 Ohms
Maximum Output Level (100 Ohm): 7dBu
SNR: 93 dBu
THD + N (100 Ohms): 0.02%
Frequency Response + / - 1 dBu: 20 Hz-40 kHz

thank you
wink_face.gif
 

post #441 of 1554

I'm kinda annoyed with this thread... Please don't take offence but take it as a kick in the right direction.

 

We have newbies giving impressions with most probably 0 burn in when its been stated that the D7100 for one benefits a great deal especially in the treble, and we have people using inadequate sources and amps that most probably aren't the best. 

 

I think there were 2 people whose opinions I would trust and they are largely irrelevant due to factors like burn in not taken into account (which they have stated.)

 

 

And then we have the jump-the-gun army thats busy drawing conclusions and comparisons from these incomplete assessments. Two words: NOT GOOD.

 

Two levels of inadequacy and partial information. 

 

many of the people participating need to take a step back with their conclusions and thoughts until someone with REAL experience gives a REAL review, where all factors are accounted for.

 

\rant

post #442 of 1554
Quote:
Originally Posted by WiR3D View Post

I'm kinda annoyed with this thread... Please don't take offence but take it as a kick in the right direction.

 

We have newbies giving impressions with most probably 0 burn in when its been stated that the D7100 for one benefits a great deal especially in the treble, and we have people using inadequate sources and amps that most probably aren't the best. 

 

I think there were 2 people whose opinions I would trust and they are largely irrelevant due to factors like burn in not taken into account (which they have stated.)

 

 

And then we have the jump-the-gun army thats busy drawing conclusions and comparisons from these incomplete assessments. Two words: NOT GOOD.

 

Two levels of inadequacy and partial information. 

 

many of the people participating need to take a step back with their conclusions and thoughts until someone with REAL experience gives a REAL review, where all factors are accounted for.

 

\rant

 

You know what you should do then right?

Buy one of these, use your adequate sources and amps, "burn" the unit as much as you can (cause you'll probably see/hear and measure the super duper change in sound after 1200 hours...) and then give us your COMPLETE assessment... Maybe that real experience coupled with a possible REAL review might help all of us... (yep, posts like that annoy me most!)

 

 

And... to jump back on topic, just bought the D600s... (guess I got tired of waiting for the M100s and those might have more feedback anyway...) I will provide EARLY IMPRESSIONS without any burn-in whatsoever using my inadequate sources when I can...

 

Thanks

post #443 of 1554
Quote:
Originally Posted by WiR3D View Post

I'm kinda annoyed with this thread... Please don't take offence but take it as a kick in the right direction.

 

We have newbies giving impressions with most probably 0 burn in when its been stated that the D7100 for one benefits a great deal especially in the treble, and we have people using inadequate sources and amps that most probably aren't the best. 

 

I think there were 2 people whose opinions I would trust and they are largely irrelevant due to factors like burn in not taken into account (which they have stated.)

 

 

And then we have the jump-the-gun army thats busy drawing conclusions and comparisons from these incomplete assessments. Two words: NOT GOOD.

 

Two levels of inadequacy and partial information. 

 

many of the people participating need to take a step back with their conclusions and thoughts until someone with REAL experience gives a REAL review, where all factors are accounted for.

 

\rant

Most people on HeadFi are not audiophiles. They just want to know how these headphones sound out of the box straight from their iPods.

post #444 of 1554

I personally rather hear early impressions with no burn-in than wait a few days later for impressions/review because so far I haven't encountered a headphone which gave such a big difference after burn-in so it would go from dislike to like. In that case it's just brain adapting and forgetting how other headphones sound which I've experienced several times switching after 1 weeks+ of exclusive use with one headphone.

post #445 of 1554
Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

I personally rather hear early impressions with no burn-in than wait a few days later for impressions/review because so far I haven't encountered a headphone which gave such a big difference after burn-in so it would go from dislike to like. In that case it's just brain adapting and forgetting how other headphones sound which I've experienced several times switching after 1 weeks+ of exclusive use with one headphone.

THIS!

post #446 of 1554
Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

I personally rather hear early impressions with no burn-in than wait a few days later for impressions/review because so far I haven't encountered a headphone which gave such a big difference after burn-in so it would go from dislike to like. In that case it's just brain adapting and forgetting how other headphones sound which I've experienced several times switching after 1 weeks+ of exclusive use with one headphone.

I agree it does happen, but I would not drop burn in so easily....

 

EDIT:

Actually fine, if you guys want partial information, be my guest, personally I would eliminate all the possible variables as much as possible, that way buyers can make a correct decision, with all the information.


Edited by WiR3D - 8/16/12 at 5:56am
post #447 of 1554
Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

I personally rather hear early impressions with no burn-in than wait a few days later for impressions/review because so far I haven't encountered a headphone which gave such a big difference after burn-in so it would go from dislike to like. In that case it's just brain adapting and forgetting how other headphones sound which I've experienced several times switching after 1 weeks+ of exclusive use with one headphone.


+1

post #448 of 1554
D600 sound quite good from an ipod but not to D7000 levels I think. Where they beat D7000 handily is in noise isolation. I will test further with my home rig next week.
post #449 of 1554
Quote:
Originally Posted by WiR3D View Post

I'm kinda annoyed with this thread... Please don't take offence but take it as a kick in the right direction.

We have newbies giving impressions with most probably 0 burn in when its been stated that the D7100 for one benefits a great deal especially in the treble, and we have people using inadequate sources and amps that most probably aren't the best.

I think there were 2 people whose opinions I would trust and they are largely irrelevant due to factors like burn in not taken into account (which they have stated.)


And then we have the jump-the-gun army thats busy drawing conclusions and comparisons from these incomplete assessments. Two words: NOT GOOD.

Two levels of inadequacy and partial information.

many of the people participating need to take a step back with their conclusions and thoughts until someone with REAL experience gives a REAL review, where all factors are accounted for.

\rant

+1
post #450 of 1554

For me the effect of burn in has been the difference between keeping a headphone and selling it. I agree, it's never an all encompassing difference. A headphone don't become more detailed, more spacious, more better in the timbre, imaging, dynamics.....All these factors have stayed the same IME. Burn in, I have found, is just really what many others say it is; 'the driver settling in'. So for example with the d7k I found that resonance/vibrational/ringing present in the highs of the stock headphone (which I couldn't cope with) were ironed out thanks to a burn in (no physical contact with the headphone- pure burn in).

 

I mean how hard is it to give something like this 100 hours of pink noise coming out of a spare mp3 player. 

More importantly I would wait at least a few days for someone to give a proper opinion for MORE IMPORTANT reasons than burn in. I mean it could be that they, no matter how experienced they are, haven't found the correct fit. The seal is not there. So their final impression would be misleading at best.  

 

 

Someone earlier in this thread said that this looks set to be the next FOTM. Perfectly valid guess.

But, I hope it's pretty clear now that if it is, things quickly need to change on this thread!!!

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