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post #1411 of 1552

I jumped on these a week ago at $150 when it was on sale at Best Buy. I know this pair of headphones don't have the best reviews, but how are they when evaluated at this lower price? I'm no audiophile but I am liking the bass, but haven't heard anything that puts them way above, say my HTF600s. Note that I haven't burned these in yet.

post #1412 of 1552
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Originally Posted by jacksonchansf View Post
 

I jumped on these a week ago at $150 when it was on sale at Best Buy. I know this pair of headphones don't have the best reviews, but how are they when evaluated at this lower price? I'm no audiophile but I am liking the bass, but haven't heard anything that puts them way above, say my HTF600s. Note that I haven't burned these in yet.

D600's?

 

If so, then that's a real bargain.

post #1413 of 1552
Have some D7100's on the way. Will compare them to my D600, W1000x and SRH1540.
post #1414 of 1552
Here's some opinions of my D600 too,

I find them comfortable and very attractive and unique. Build is good too.

Soundwise I would say they are fun sounding. The treble is not that extended but it certainly isn't rolled off to my ears. Mids are quite thin and lacking weight in comparison to some other phones but only if you do a direct comparison.

Bass is excellent, it's deep and explosive although a tad loose sometimes. I wouldn't call them flat like the box says but I would say they are not to far from being balanced. They have a a wide soundstage that seems to product outwards but it sounds like it's a long tunnel without much of a centre. For that reason these are more of a rocking out phone for me.

With these faults I still find them good, they have a place in the market.

Vs V Moda M100

I prefer the M100 for it's less bright sound but it lacks dynamics ad refinement, the D600 is better for me because it's more detailed, more sparkle on the treble with a better soundstage. The D600 also has a lot more sense of energy.

Vs SRH1540.

To be honest not as one sided as I thought. The D600 holds in own but the 1540 edges them in all areas. The 600 definitely has them beat in energy though!

Vs W1000x

Not really a contest, the thick, romantoc mids just make the D600 look silly. It's detailing is on another level. Goods news for the Denon fans though is the D600 still sounds great.

Vs D2000

Based on memory of my D2000, they where a bit smoother, luster then the D600 by a little bit. Apart from that pretty close! I think they look better then the D2000 but lose out to the woodies when it comes to sex appeal.

I prefer the D600 to most Midfi closed lile the K550, Dt770,
post #1415 of 1552
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Originally Posted by Carlsan View Post
 

D600's?

 

If so, then that's a real bargain.

Yes, for the D600s. I thought so as well, especially when put against the MSRP, after finding out about it on the Deals thread. But I'm still trying to gauge the actual value of these headphones ie. do they should like $300 cans or if they're more $200 as some reviews on Headfi would indicate. As I am kind of broke right now, I'm actually weighing whether I should return it...

post #1416 of 1552
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Originally Posted by DJDREEM View Post

Here's some opinions of my D600 too,

I find them comfortable and very attractive and unique. Build is good too.

Soundwise I would say they are fun sounding. The treble is not that extended but it certainly isn't rolled off to my ears. Mids are quite thin and lacking weight in comparison to some other phones but only if you do a direct comparison.

Bass is excellent, it's deep and explosive although a tad loose sometimes. I wouldn't call them flat like the box says but I would say they are not to far from being balanced. They have a a wide soundstage that seems to product outwards but it sounds like it's a long tunnel without much of a centre. For that reason these are more of a rocking out phone for me.

With these faults I still find them good, they have a place in the market.

Vs V Moda M100

I prefer the M100 for it's less bright sound but it lacks dynamics ad refinement, the D600 is better for me because it's more detailed, more sparkle on the treble with a better soundstage. The D600 also has a lot more sense of energy.

Vs SRH1540.

To be honest not as one sided as I thought. The D600 holds in own but the 1540 edges them in all areas. The 600 definitely has them beat in energy though!

Vs W1000x

Not really a contest, the thick, romantoc mids just make the D600 look silly. It's detailing is on another level. Goods news for the Denon fans though is the D600 still sounds great.

Vs D2000

Based on memory of my D2000, they where a bit smoother, luster then the D600 by a little bit. Apart from that pretty close! I think they look better then the D2000 but lose out to the woodies when it comes to sex appeal.

I prefer the D600 to most Midfi closed lile the K550, Dt770,

Glad to hear you like them. I still have mine and enjoy them most for EDM and some movie watching off my Kindle. Personally I felt the 1540s decimated the D600s when comparing overall neutrality. I would say the D600 is a very fun headphone and the 1540 is a great headphone. Just my .02.
post #1417 of 1552
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Originally Posted by DJDREEM View Post

Have some D7100's on the way. Will compare them to my D600, W1000x and SRH1540.


Interested in what you have to say about them. I've heard a lot more negative about them than the D600. I really enjoy my d600 so much, I'd like to upgrade to them eventually (to keep the same sort of sound), but I've heard they're not really all that similar.

post #1418 of 1552
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Originally Posted by jacksonchansf View Post
 

Yes, for the D600s. I thought so as well, especially when put against the MSRP, after finding out about it on the Deals thread. But I'm still trying to gauge the actual value of these headphones ie. do they should like $300 cans or if they're more $200 as some reviews on Headfi would indicate. As I am kind of broke right now, I'm actually weighing whether I should return it...

 

They fall somewhere between $300-$400 cans.

They really do sound better than most $200 cans that I've heard anyway. That is better in a fun way.

They are a fun pair of headphones, with a great take on sound that is not meant to be studio engineer detail. They are not what is currently described as audiophile by most of the members here on the forum's, but I think they really are missing a great set of cans.

 

For dance, electronic, and most modern music, these cans work really well.

 

A lot of reviewers were expecting the next version of the AHD7000, or maybe AHD2000 That line has really been taken over by Fostex, who also charge a premium for it.

post #1419 of 1552
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Originally Posted by Hapster View Post
 


Interested in what you have to say about them. I've heard a lot more negative about them than the D600. I really enjoy my d600 so much, I'd like to upgrade to them eventually (to keep the same sort of sound), but I've heard they're not really all that similar.

 

The problem with the D600, is that there are a lot of headphones that sit in the $200 that are really good headphones. In that category, if you want a "fun" boomy headphone that isn't refined, ehhh maybe the D600 is an okay pick. I think there are a lot of other headphones that will give you a better "fun" headphone, most of which cost less money. That's a lot of competition. Take the asking price of $400 for them, and it's like Denon thought they could throw out a bass heavy headphone and dupe everyone into buying them.

 

The D7100, would be an even tougher call. They use the exact same design, exact same driver. Looking at amazon prices you're paying $600+ for this:

 

Has anyone played around with dampening on the D600?

 

 

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Originally Posted by Carlsan View Post
 

 

A lot of reviewers were expecting the next version of the AHD7000, or maybe AHD2000 That line has really been taken over by Fostex, who also charge a premium for it.

 

I think it was pretty clear up front that Foster had cancelled their contracts with Denon and Denon had to start from scratch. I don't think a lot of people were really expecting a "successor" of the D7000 line. I think the D7100 was judged based on their own merit, but if you're asking people 1.2 thousand dollars, you should really have a start of the art headphone. Tiny details of the new AKG K812 is being critiqued and criticized to bits. You have to expect people to look at every single detail of the headphone.

post #1420 of 1552
People where expecting too much off them. This is Denons first headphones. Even Denon thought that they deserved a higher price but, they are beginning to drop to reasonable prices.

Everyone wanted the D2k, D5k and D7k and when they didn't, all the hate started! Even before hearing them.

The D600 is a solid headphone, Is it better then the D5K? No definitely not but it certainly competes well with a lot of good closed backs.
Edited by DJDREEM - 5/13/14 at 4:39am
post #1421 of 1552
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

The problem with the D600, is that there are a lot of headphones that sit in the $200 that are really good headphones. In that category, if you want a "fun" boomy headphone that isn't refined, ehhh maybe the D600 is an okay pick. I think there are a lot of other headphones that will give you a better "fun" headphone, most of which cost less money. That's a lot of competition. Take the asking price of $400 for them, and it's like Denon thought they could throw out a bass heavy headphone and dupe everyone into buying them.

The D7100, would be an even tougher call. They use the exact same design, exact same driver. Looking at amazon prices you're paying $600+ for this:



Has anyone played around with dampening on the D600?

I want to Lawton mod the D600 cups but have not figured out how to get into the cups. Would love to see how the damping does as I heard improvements on both my D7000 and TH900.

I like the D600 but realized early on it was a different flavor than the early Denons, and ask price was silly. For $200-300 I think it's worth it.

Anyone know how to get into the cups??
post #1422 of 1552

When I bought these, i knew what i was getting into. I demoed them, and loved how they sounded with bass, and for having a pretty great soundstage for being closed. This is not a reference can. The signature is more high-end home theatre and sitting in front of a concert speaker stack (or warehouse party). After owning these for a while I'll say they are 'refined boominess'. That may seem like a bit of contradiction, but it is exactly what is good and wrong with them. 

 

The bass can be very good, but it is also accentuated. Now all this might lead one to think that the can is best then with bass heavy electronic music, and while some electronic music styles and recording sound awesome out of these cans, the lack of dynamic in many electronic masterings can become a bit fatiguing in  just hearing 'boom-tish-boom-tish' over and over. Listening to a well recorded jazz or classical piece is actually quite stellar on this can. Just listened to an SACD Bill Evans Trio Exploration master and it was so much better sounding that your average modern engineering/mastering. Sure its a bit cavernous with the D600s accented bass, but the quality of mids are still good, they are just recessed.

Anyhow, I may have some regrets with this can, but I would definitely not at $150 or a bit above the $200 mark. I love the cable choices that came with the can, and often I can sit far away from the TV and have these headphones plugged in. It is a fun, cozy can, with its own character.

 

 

I just switched back to the EX600 after listening to the D600 for a while and its almost a relief. I think the EX600 was really the first headphone I purchased that made me realize what I was hearing before was not correct. It actually took some time for me to warm up to the EX600s and they increasingly sound better as I get to know them. If I'm honest with myself, the Ex600 is much closer to how the music is meant to be heard and felt. /p>

 

I'm experimenting with using EQ on the Denon's to get them closer to neutral. Essentially it is to roll-off the bass and accent the high end. Hmm. This is actually better, not perfect but more tonally balanced. It makes you wonder why Denon balanced the headphone that way.



A day later - after listening to a number of pieces and trying to EQ the D600 it doesn't feel right. Leaving them where they are at and enjoying them for their strong character. String sections are lush, drum n bass is just brilliant on them, and textured,detailed electronic music just sells them. Happy to have at least two very good headphones to bring out the best from my music.

Edited for being superfluous.
Edited by Malfunkt - 5/19/14 at 10:19pm
post #1423 of 1552
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Originally Posted by Malfunkt View Post
 

When I bought these, i knew what i was getting into. I demoed them, and loved how they sounded with bass, and for having a pretty great soundstage for being closed. This is not a reference can. The signature is more high-end home theatre and sitting in front of a concert speaker stack (or warehouse party). After owning these for a while I'll say they are 'refined boominess'. That may seem like a bit of contradiction, but it is exactly what is good and wrong with them. 

 

The bass can be very good, but it is also accentuated. Now all this might lead one to think that the can is best then with bass heavy electronic music, and while some electronic music styles and recording sound awesome out of these cans, the lack of dynamic in many electronic masterings can become a bit fatiguing in  just hearing 'boom-tish-boom-tish' over and over. Listening to a well recorded jazz or classical piece is actually quite stellar on this can. Just listened to an SACD Bill Evans Trio Exploration master and it was so much better sounding that your average modern engineering/mastering. Sure its a bit cavernous with the D600s accented bass, but the quality of mids are still good, they are just recessed.

Anyhow, I may have some regrets with this can, but I would definitely not at $150 or a bit above the $200 mark. I love the cable choices that came with the can, and often I can sit far away from the TV and have these headphones plugged in. It is a fun, cozy can, with its own character.

 

 

I just switched back to the EX600 after listening to the D600 for a while and its almost a relief. I think the EX600 was really the first headphone I purchased that made me realize what I was hearing before was not correct. It actually took some time for me to warm up to the EX600s and they increasingly sound better as I get to know them. If I'm honest with myself, the Ex600 is much closer to how the music is meant to be heard and felt. /p>

 

I'm experimenting with using EQ on the Denon's to get them closer to neutral. Essentially it is to roll-off the bass and accent the high end. Hmm. This is actually better, not perfect but more tonally balanced. It makes you wonder why Denon balanced the headphone that way.



A day later - after listening to a number of pieces and trying to EQ the D600 it doesn't feel right. Leaving them where they are at and enjoying them for their strong character. String sections are lush, drum n bass is just brilliant on them, and textured,detailed electronic music just sells them. Happy to have at least two very good headphones to bring out the best from my music.

Edited for being superfluous.

 

+1...great can with fun signature...love DMB and SRV (try Chitlins Con Carne or Tin Pan Alley) on it.  Was also shocked by how good Jazz and even Big Band sounded on it.  TBH, I think I'm liking them more than my 770s

post #1424 of 1552
Amazing how cheap these are on eBay now. Can get for like $190.
post #1425 of 1552
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Originally Posted by Hapster View Post

Amazing how cheap these are on eBay now. Can get for like $190.

 

Or...for $150 new in box at your local Magnolia store; have to go to the store as the website doesn't register this price.

 


Edited by GearMe - 5/22/14 at 10:52am
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