My point wasn't that it was a GOOD step, but it's where things are moving.
Also, I use my older processor's "Concert Hall" effects from time to time, and quite enjoy them - it uses additional speakers to pull it off though, and doesn't sound as canned as a lot of modern cheapie implementations. It's also based on real acoustic models and all that.
Heh. Oh DSP can be really good. I like the ideas of where it can go. Think about the Bose sound rooms. They sound good. Really good. Even though the speakers on demo are missing entire frequency ranges. Why? Whole racks of top-notch DSPs driving them. So DSP can do a lot. Though for the moment, not the toy level DSP they sell the public. I still think we need new recording tech. Speaker tech is really pushing at the edges and there's not much more. To sound more real, we need more spatialization, and DSP will never be anything more than a best guess based on frequencies that will never be right for a given recording. We need spatial recording mechanisms to take over. Then we can encode for whatever DSP wins the bid based on that. Without spatial recording (like Cheskey's doing with the binaural stuff in limited quantity for audio geeks) taking over, all we have is loose approximation that's different for every album and we can never sound more "lifelike"
Trouble with ICs (not meaning op-amps) is you need good DACs to not muddle the signal chain, you need realatively decent number crunching, and then you have heat dissipation issues for that, RFI, etc. Of course GOOD digital can probably whip good analog pretty good. But a GOOD digital implementation tends to be even more expensive than a good analog setup, and it's partly marketing. Most of the "digital" implementations folks see are abysmal. So by advertising "all discrete, no digital" it sends the message "you're getting good quality, not shortcuts with cheap digital, all analog gear." It doesn't imply that "but for $1k more you can get our digital implementation that's even better" :P
That's right, you don't buy Onkyo :P Some of those VFD's throw a ton of EMI and it can and does get picked up in the audio. I tend to like my screen on too, it's just pretty, but I'm sure part of it is also recreating the stereo seperates appearance when doing 2ch stereo which tend not to have VFDs :)
Generally I think the idea is they just wanted to shut down EVERYTHING that's not part of the audio chain because, why not? If the point is "pure audio" mode why not go crazy, be paranoid and really shut down EVERYTHING? But it bugs me that to adjust volume it keeps turning the screen on and off. I rarely use the mode because my stereo setup is 2.1 with wallmount JBL Studios' so I need the bass management on as I'm not using Velodyne's sucky crossover management
Nothing wrong with a nice outboard EQ.
The trouble is FINDING a nice outboard EQ....they seem relatively rare, and when you find one it's either a budget DSP with compromises, a stage-grade analog that's good but I can just feel the mild distortion coming from the photo, or a $4000 full-on processor :)
I'd say it goes back further than that - we could blame Detroit and their incessant "new models" if we wanted. And yeah, the younger people are the ones that feed it. They feed it with computers and the like as well - and even that's all fallacious (even in the 90s I'd argue that it was pretty much marketing run amuck). In other words, someone got into schools in the early 1990s (and I'd probably better not say who!) and handed out a lot of free or nearly free equipment and (heavily biased) training to teachers who meant well, and kids were trained well in the ways of subscribing to marketing. And guess what, that someone's market share has gone through the sky in the last few years and their products are sold more or less along the lines of cars "the 2007 model" "the 2008 model" etc - despite no real changes taking place, and in general new features being a SLOW, years delayed, reality.
iHave no idea what company you're talking about.
I can't stand their stuff. It feels all wrong just using it... The music product isn't bad...but the rest of it....ugh.
Yeah. That. But there's also the side of summit-fi where people talk about $25,000 speakers as "mid-range" and all that. I think the fair statement is that insanity is relatively rare in GP, but it exists in about equal proportion throughout.
Yeah, I've seen that about Grado. I always laugh....the same people will talk about the $1k+ price point being so much better, meanwhile Grado's always been one of the highest priced cans out there! If it ain't broke...why fix it? There's other reasons I'm not a Grado fan, but I haven't got a chance to try your RS1 or GS1000. The pads on the GS intrigue me. The pads on the rest of the Grados send me screaming before the treble You almost had me sold on them though!