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Originally Posted by aristidesfl View Post

Have you ever compared the K702 with DT880 or with HD600 SQ and confort wise? 

No, I haven't. I am sure that someone around here has.
post #47 of 49
Thread Starter 
Head Ergonomics

- adjustability limited vs flexible - HD800 are more adjustable
- weight Light vs Heavy - HD800 are much lighter
- ear pressure loose vs tight - HD800 are less head pressure
- ear temperature  Cool vs Hot - HD800 are cooler on the ear

In terms of wearing comfort, it wasn't even close for me. The HD800s were much more comfortable on my head. The front edge of the LCD-2 ear pads pressed into my temples and my cheekbones. The HD800 ear pads were also cooler on my head.

Manufacture Quality

- durability Fragile vs Rugged - Neither are rugged but HD800 are more rugged,
- fit and finish Raw vs Refined - HD800 has a more refined industrial design
- cables & connectors described: HD800 have more robust cable connectors

A high production design vs. a low production design in terms of component manufacturer. The Audeze certainly has its charms with its use of CNC wood and metal vs injection molded polymer, but they fall down with fragile connectors and a poorly adjustable head band compared to the Sennheisers IMO.

Sound

- Treble Dark vs Bright: HD800 are brighter 
- resolution Blurred vs Magnifying: HD800 have higher resolution than LCD-2
- sound stage width Narrow vs Wide: HD800 have wider soundstage
- sound stage depth Shallow vs Deep: HD800 have a deeper soundstage
- dynamics   Compressed vs. Natural: HD800 is less compressed

The HD800s Are brighter with more sparkle and shimmer and have higher resolution in presenting detail. They have a larger soundstage and are less compressed than the LCD-2

- relative efficiency Volume Scale: LCD-2 > HD800
- bass Thin vs. Solid: LCD-2 > HD800
- midrange Recessed vs Forward: LCD-2 are more forward than HD800
- sound texture soft vs rough: LCD-2 are softer than HD800
- imaging Ambiguous vs Precise: LCD-2 have more precise instrument placement
- coloration Cold vs Warm: LCD-2 are warmer

the LCD-2 are more efficient (slightly, despite a large difference in impedance) with unsurpassed bass performance. The midrange is more forward and the overall texture is softer than the HD800s. Despite having a smaller soundstage I found the instrument placement within the image more precise. The effect of the deep bass, forward midrange and recessed high frequency is a warm sound.

In the end, I would choose the HD800s over the LCD-2s.  If they were more comfortable, it would have been a much more difficult decision. They were just uncomfortable to wear. I suppose I could get used to it but why when there are comfortable options. While the bass on the Audeze is unsurpassed, the Sennheisers are very good. I did not find the HD800s high frequency piercing as some find it. The areas where the LCD-2 were superior sonically (listed above), was not by that much over the HD800s. The areas where the HD800s were superior to the LCD-2s was by a large amount IMO.

The HE-500s and T1s should arrive in the next two weeks.
post #48 of 49
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Originally Posted by iim7V7IM7 View Post

Head Ergonomics

- adjustability limited vs flexible - HD800 are more adjustable
- weight Light vs Heavy - HD800 are much lighter
- ear pressure loose vs tight - HD800 are less head pressure
- ear temperature  Cool vs Hot - HD800 are cooler on the ear

In terms of wearing comfort, it wasn't even close for me. The HD800s were much more comfortable on my head. The front edge of the LCD-2 ear pads pressed into my temples and my cheekbones. The HD800 ear pads were also cooler on my head.

Manufacture Quality

- durability Fragile vs Rugged - Neither are rugged but HD800 are more rugged,
- fit and finish Raw vs Refined - HD800 has a more refined industrial design
- cables & connectors described: HD800 have more robust cable connectors

A high production design vs. a low production design in terms of component manufacturer. The Audeze certainly has its charms with its use of CNC wood and metal vs injection molded polymer, but they fall down with fragile connectors and a poorly adjustable head band compared to the Sennheisers IMO.

Sound

- Treble Dark vs Bright: HD800 are brighter 
- resolution Blurred vs Magnifying: HD800 have higher resolution than LCD-2
- sound stage width Narrow vs Wide: HD800 have wider soundstage
- sound stage depth Shallow vs Deep: HD800 have a deeper soundstage
- dynamics   Compressed vs. Natural: HD800 is less compressed

The HD800s Are brighter with more sparkle and shimmer and have higher resolution in presenting detail. They have a larger soundstage and are less compressed than the LCD-2

- relative efficiency Volume Scale: LCD-2 > HD800
- bass Thin vs. Solid: LCD-2 > HD800
- midrange Recessed vs Forward: LCD-2 are more forward than HD800
- sound texture soft vs rough: LCD-2 are softer than HD800
- imaging Ambiguous vs Precise: LCD-2 have more precise instrument placement
- coloration Cold vs Warm: LCD-2 are warmer

the LCD-2 are more efficient (slightly, despite a large difference in impedance) with unsurpassed bass performance. The midrange is more forward and the overall texture is softer than the HD800s. Despite having a smaller soundstage I found the instrument placement within the image more precise. The effect of the deep bass, forward midrange and recessed high frequency is a warm sound.

In the end, I would choose the HD800s over the LCD-2s.  If they were more comfortable, it would have been a much more difficult decision. They were just uncomfortable to wear. I suppose I could get used to it but why when there are comfortable options. While the bass on the Audeze is unsurpassed, the Sennheisers are very good. I did not find the HD800s high frequency piercing as some find it. The areas where the LCD-2 were superior sonically (listed above), was not by that much over the HD800s. The areas where the HD800s were superior to the LCD-2s was by a large amount IMO.

The HE-500s and T1s should arrive in the next two weeks.


I'm in the same position as you! you seem to have similar tastes to me in what you want from a headphone, I'm gonna keep checking this thread to see how you go with the T1, I've heard their treble is a bit 'rough' but I'd love to know what your thoughts are.

Somebody asked about the DT880 v HD600 v K702, I've had all three and I've sold them all except the K702.

The DT880 is more comfortable in some ways but they slid around on my head a bit and I had to keep re-adjusting, also the mids on the DT880 felt recessed and the treble had a very rough texture to it, these did not sound natural to me.  Also the K702 had a more weighty sound through the lower mids than the DT880's to me. 

The HD600's are a sublime headphone, very neutral with a speaker-like representation (not as much treble or air).  They did not have much air to their sound and the clamping force was pretty big with these on my head although they were comfortable, they're definitely a compliment to the K702 but not an upgrade, just different, personally I prefer the treble, soundstage and detail of the K702 to the HD600's warmer slightly more laidback presentation. 

post #49 of 49
Wonder where this thread went? Well I'm just an old fart and newbie to hp threading. Currently I am entertaining self with HD 650 and 420 from the 80's.
Three and 600 ohms resp. I have a LD 1+ for the 650s which seems adequate for my Jazz need. The 420s are done on a portable chumoy Altoid rig with an AD523 op amp and 2 9v batts. I must be a heretic to some, not deaf but uneducated in these matters. I too am seeking input from other Head-fiers. My aim is to use the Altoid for its portability with a who cares what I look like full sized HP. Please advise. As I am keen to try other Senns. I dearly appreciate the 650s but they're to heavy, costly and precious to schlep. I was thinking about the Senn HD25 or the lesser PX200ii. Within this current thread there was much talk about the merits of DT900s. Since they are in the HD25 price range and no too much more than the 200s....well I might just take the Beyer way. Appreciate hearing others comments on the portability of the DTs. Thank you.
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